BuffaloBud Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 As I have been taught and have taught, any dog can bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 "The dogs loved the kids and the kids loved the dogs," Stiglich said. "There is nothing about what occurred that morning ... that would have given anyone any inkling of the horror that would occur later." Really?? "She told him to prop a shovel against the door and not to go upstairs, where Ella was in heat and the male dog, Rex, had grown increasingly agitated in his spurned attempts to mate." 725252[/snapback] You'd think that the reported fact that the dog had already bitten the kid twice would have given someone an inkling, as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Not giving owners a pass. Here is a pretty good site breaking down that statistics of fatal dog attacks. Here is a bit from its "The CDC study (using 238 breed identifications) concludes that Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for over 50% of all human fatalties due to dog bite during the years 1979-1998." Not as one sided as I thought it would be but stil kinda points out what Im trying to say. 725250[/snapback] ...and if you're going to google something to support what you said, you should also list the counter-arguments that come up in the results as well. One of the big things about the CDC "study" (and part of the reason why they didn't continue to log fatalities) was that the results were based on news and humane society reports, since reporting "dog attacks" is not mandatory. That triggers a problem because attacks by pitbulls will likely gain much more press than attacks by chihuahuas. In fact, if you actually read the actual study, you will see the following conclusions right on the first page: Although fatal attacks on humansappear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites. They recommend against breed-specific ordinances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 No it doesn't. They also happen to be the most popular dogs among gangmembers and other people who tend to gravitate toward illegal activities. Much like the hulabaloo around guns, it's overblown BS meant to get the uninformed or unintelligent up in arms about something that isn't really a problem. What do I mean? There were 304 dog bite fatalities in the period you site. There were nearly 2000 deaths due to lightning strikes during the same period. That's right, you're over 6 times more likely to die at the hands of lightning than be killed by a dog and that goes up by double for a Rottweiler or Pitbull. That says nothing of the over 30,000 automobile deaths a YEAR in this country. There was a story today about a greyhound that opened up their owner's kid for 120+ stitches. Time to start whacking them as a whole, I guess. 725253[/snapback] Don't forget we need to also outlaw cars and lightning. Heck, in 2000 there were over 3400 unintentional drowning deaths. Looks like we need to outlaw water as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I firmly believe that is is the responsibility of the owner and that most attacks are because of idiot owners who can't handle their dog. But there is no denying that Pitbulls and Rotweilers are a more aggressive and viscious dog that is dangerous. Even one that has been trained well could snap one day and attack, because they are an animal and it is in their genes to attack. Its like keeping a Tiger or a Lion as a pet, there are people who raise them from young and believe they are tame and wouldn't hurt anyone, until one day, something snaps in their brain and they use their animal instincts and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Its like keeping a Tiger or a Lion as a pet, there are people who raise them from young and believe they are tame and wouldn't hurt anyone, until one day, something snaps in their brain and they use their animal instincts and attack. 725297[/snapback] You could say the same about humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 i was hoping you would chime in First of allz, it's "Hamster", not that I carem. Also, Havem you seenq their teetha? If a Hamster mauledn you, you wouldn'tp even notice. Do NOT messm with a gerbilq. We can handle ourselvesp better than you'dp think. I oncem dropped a pit bullq where he stoodp. He lookedp about as masculineq as a Honda Fit whenq I was donep. 725259[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I have to agree that the onus is on the owner in most dog attack cases. Yes, there a certain breeds that are more agressive than others, but I would argue that the reason these particular breeds show a trend in attack statistics is because of the type of the people who own them. All the cool guys in Atlanta own pit bulls. If you don't have a couple of pit bulls running around your yard, or sitting in the bed of your truck, you aren't cool. These are the same people that can barely take care of themselves let alone an animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Its like keeping a Tiger or a Lion as a pet,725297[/snapback] Only...not. Most violent dog breed I know of, BTW, is Lhasa Apso. My mother used to work in a plastic surgeon's office; they used to average one or two facial reconstructions a week from idiots who picked up a Lhasa, held it up to their face, and said "What a cute little puppy!"...just before the vicious little !@#$er bit their nose off. I've personally been attacked by three Lhasas, a cocker spaniel, and a rottweiler. Had the rottweiler not been brought up short by a 3/4" chain, it would have really messed me up...but the goddamned Lhasas, though they can't cause as much damage (unless you're a real !@#$tard and beg it to bite your nose off) are easily the most likely to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Most violent dog breed I know of, BTW, is Lhasa Apso. 725321[/snapback] If this thing bit my face, they would be looking for a few pieces of Lhasa when they got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 If this thing bit my face, they would be looking for a few pieces of Lhasa when they got there. 725331[/snapback] And you'd be embarrassed as sh-- to tell the story, too. "What happened to your face?" "Well...as these three Klan biker Nazis were beating up a ten year old, I felt compelled to...nah, not really. I was actually bitten by a twelve-pound dog..." Lhasas are actually bred to be guard dogs at Tibetan temples. Apparently, Tibetans are real pussies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I've heard of several groomers who won't work with Chows. I guess they can be nasty buggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Lhasas are actually bred to be guard dogs at Tibetan temples. Apparently, Tibetans are real pussies... 725361[/snapback] Perhaps they were a race of pigmies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I've heard of several groomers who won't work with Chows. I guess they can be nasty buggers. 725402[/snapback] I have heard that as well....but my father in law owned a chow that was absolutely the most gentle dog I have ever met.... Basically.....it doesnt matter the breed (I personally just dont like rots, dobermans, and pittbulls) if they are brought up to be agressive....they will be...if they are brought up to with discipline AND treated with kindness....they will reflect that as well......you must establish yourself as the alpha male with them or they will not respect you. I have 2 German Shepards and 1 Akita....2 of them weigh over 80 pounds and the GS pup will weight that much soon as well....they are all well mannered...they are all good family dogs....and they are all kept in a dog kennel in the back of my house and never let out into the front unless leashed (by me)......I never take a chance on them biting anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Every time you here of a mauling or terrible incedent like this there is always a Pit Bull or Rotwieller involved. These two breeds really should be outlawed. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ia/15058759.htm 725206[/snapback] The media got you too, eh? Do some research and you'll find out that Pitbulls are actually VERY friendly dogs, except for a small, small minority. The vet warned my roommate when he got one about leaving him unattended in say a car or on the porch. Why? Because they are so friendly, that they'll walk off with people, and they are stolen quite often. Not because they are aggressive. Your logic is akin to saying "Some white people murder humans, lets ban them all from the US". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Folks who own them will defend it but personally I think they are dogs for guys who are insecure about the size of their genitals. 725209[/snapback] I've got 8 Pit Bulls and 6 Rotties!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I've got 8 Pit Bulls and 6 Rotties!!! 725541[/snapback] Eunuch. Conversely, I've got three cats. I'm hung like a friggin' elephant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I have heard that as well....but my father in law owned a chow that was absolutely the most gentle dog I have ever met.... Basically.....it doesnt matter the breed (I personally just dont like rots, dobermans, and pittbulls) if they are brought up to be agressive....they will be...if they are brought up to with discipline AND treated with kindness....they will reflect that as well......you must establish yourself as the alpha male with them or they will not respect you. I have 2 German Shepards and 1 Akita....2 of them weigh over 80 pounds and the GS pup will weight that much soon as well....they are all well mannered...they are all good family dogs....and they are all kept in a dog kennel in the back of my house and never let out into the front unless leashed (by me)......I never take a chance on them biting anyone. 725466[/snapback] Exactly right. Some breeds may have a general tendency to be mroe agressive, but dogs are the way they are based on how they are raised and disciplined. Our dog at home decided one time she was going nip at my dad when she was young. He backhanded her across the garage. She hasnt so much as looked at anyone the wrong way since. Teach the dog that you are in charge and you wont take sh-- from them, and they'll obey. and you wont run into these problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Exactly right. Some breeds may have a general tendency to be mroe agressive, but dogs are the way they are based on how they are raised and disciplined. Our dog at home decided one time she was going nip at my dad when she was young. He backhanded her across the garage. She hasnt so much as looked at anyone the wrong way since. Teach the dog that you are in charge and you wont take sh-- from them, and they'll obey. and you wont run into these problems. 725555[/snapback] Exactly right (well, except for the backhanding across the garage thingy). They will always try to test you, but you need to show them they you are the boss and you set the rules. You need to do this with every aspect of your dog's training. It even gets down to making sure that when you open a door to go out, that the dog never goes out the door first. This is a sign of domination. You need to make sure the dog sits and waits for you to go out the door and also waits for a command from you to follow you out the door. It sounds stupid and insignificant, but it goes a long way towards having a well-behaved pooch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Exactly right (well, except for the backhanding across the garage thingy). They will always try to test you, but you need to show them they you are the boss and you set the rules. You need to do this with every aspect of your dog's training. It even gets down to making sure that when you open a door to go out, that the dog never goes out the door first. This is a sign of domination. You need to make sure the dog sits and waits for you to go out the door and also waits for a command from you to follow you out the door. It sounds stupid and insignificant, but it goes a long way towards having a well-behaved pooch. 725559[/snapback] Well, i dont mean we beat our dog, because we dont. But he wasnt happy when he smacked her, and she half slid/half ran across the garage. But shes trained very wel, and we have had no problems. She'll sit and wait for us to tell her its ok to eat her food. She'll sit and stay until we tell her to chase her ball (if you chose to do so). We drop food on the floor, she'll look, but wont even sniff it. She knows better. Once there is a clear understanding between you and your dog that you are the boss, everything is fine. The funny thing i see here in north florida, is that families with pitbulls and rotts that behave poorly often have children that behave the exact same way. Think it might be the parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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