ans4e64 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 But...but...don't you have to draft a QB in the first round?? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 But...but...don't you have to draft a QB in the first round?? PTR 608405[/snapback] dont forget to draft a non- #1 WR each year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. 608393[/snapback] na that makes far to much sense to invest heavy in the trenches. We need more skill position players who wont help us immediatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibuya Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I was thinkng more like Seattles OL over NE's I can remember analyst laughing at Seattle for taking another OL in the early part of Day 1 when they had so many other needs....... Sound Familiar ? The same goes for the DL. In fact the only way to build a solid foundation in the FA era of football is too have the trenches set. The trenches are the foundation upon which Superbowl teams are built. Anyone thinking we need a QB is a fool, anyone thinking Nate Clements' off year last year didn't have alot to do with our DL's inability to produce a pass rush and stop the run is misguided IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Of oucrse the Bills lines need help. Thats why they "franchise" (and subsequently overpay) for a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. 608393[/snapback] Except Seymour, name another "star" in this bunch. Woody is not there nor is Klemm. Wilfork and Warren are promising youngsters. Watson is extremely talented and athletic but hasn't put it altogether yet. I don't disagree with the premise of your post, we should be addressing our lines on both sides of the ball. No doubt about that. NE is obviously solid with their starting 22, but what seperates them from the pack is that they're better than most, if not all, from players 23-53. Oh, and as you mentioned, Brady is "somewhat" instrumental in this whole process. Coach too......and Pioli......and......ARGGGHHH f@#$ing PATS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Woody and Klemm aren't there. Watson and Graham don't play on the line. The only one of their starting OLs drafted in the top 100 is Mankins, and he was 32. Anyone thinking we need a QB is a fool, anyone thinking Nate Clements' off year last year didn't have alot to do with our DL's inability to produce a pass rush and stop the run is misguided IMO 608414[/snapback] Just because we need line help doesn't mean we don't also need QB help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Of oucrse the Bills lines need help. Thats why they "franchise" (and subsequently overpay) for a CB. 608433[/snapback] 6M for Nate isn't overpaying. Give it a chance. Buff has put themselves in the drivers seat on this one. They can work a deal, or possibly a trade. Worst case is he plays this year for just under 6, and the Bills reevaluate after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbh10128 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. 608393[/snapback] well ur forgetting that they are also picking late in the first round when the high profile talent position players have been taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 well ur forgetting that they are also picking late in the first round when the high profile talent position players have been taken. 608460[/snapback] Sorry, mead has the trademark on using no caps in his posts. Caps lock is your friend bb, use it often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 well ur forgetting that they are also picking late in the first round when the high profile talent position players have been taken. 608460[/snapback] Seymour was a 6th selection of a draft. Also, McGinest was drafted as a DE with the 4th selection in 1994. Patsies draft history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Donahoe Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. Klemm was a 2nd round pick, for what it's worth. Of course, we didn't have a 1st that year (gave it to the Jets for Belichick), so Klemm was the team's first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. 608393[/snapback] The first 2 guys you mentioned are no longer with the team, and Klemm was pretty much a bust. I agree that NE has a great O line, but look at where they were drafted. LT: Matt Light, 2nd round, 17th pick LG: Logan Mankins, 1st round, last pick C: Dan Koppen, 5th round, 29th pick RG: Stephen Neal, Undrafted Free Agent RT: Brandon Gorin, 7th round 1st pick by SD (the starter Kaczur was injured but he was an Undrafted Free Agent). So, 2/3rds of their line was either taken on the 2nd day or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. 608393[/snapback] The Ty Warren pick was basically for Drew Bledsoe, but you are right, the empahsis on Lineman definitely shows for the 3 time champions of the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 the point is new england sees the value of big men and drafts accordingly. they let woody go because they had a replacement and felt he was expensive. we let jonas go because we thought he was expensive, but had no replacement. by not drafting any linemen day one besides mike will since we put ourselves in a position of needing big guys and having to pay too much for them. the iggles also had a habbit of taking big men every year, they did ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 another interesting piece of info i found, i dont think its a coincidence that NE has had their recent success along with using their first round picks on offense and defensive lineman. 1999 1 Damien Woody C Boston College 2000 1 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 2001 1 Richard Seymour DT Georgia 2002 1 Dan Graham TE Colorado 2003 1 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M 2004 1 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) Ben Watson TE Georgia 2005 1 Logan Mankins G Fresno State thats every year for the past 7 years, or 8 in the past 7. It also didnt hurt that they got tom brady in the 6th round. 608393[/snapback] Before the last draft, I posted a piece listing all the offensive lineman we have drafted in the 1-2 rounds. With the exception of Williams, just about all of them ended up either pro bowlers or perennial starters. The game starts in the trenches and if you are weak there, the rest of it won't matter much. 1970 Jim Reilly G R3 1971 Bruce Jarvis C R3 1972 Reggie McKenzie G R2 1973 Paul Syemour TE R1, he played as a third tackle in the Electric Company, Joe Delamielleure G R1 1976 Ken Jones G R2, Joe Devlin OT R2 1979 Jophn Borchardt T R3 1980 Jim Ritcher C R1, John Schmeding G R3 1985 Mark Traynowicz G R2 1986 Will Wolford OT R1, Leonard Burton C R3 1990 Glen Parker OT R3 1992 John Fina OT R1 1994 Corey Louchiey OT R3 1995 Reuben Brown OT R1 1998 Robert Hicks OT R3 2001 Jonas Jennings OT R3 2002 Mike Williams OT R1 With the exception of Williams, just about every guy taken in the first and second rounds ended up being solid players and some ended up being great like Wolford, MacKenzie, Joey D and Richter. The third round was pretty mixed, mostly duds. If you want a solid line, you are better off going for people in the first two rounds rather than hoping to get lucky in the later rounds though it does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 If we want to be great like NE, we better draft the lines high 608393[/snapback] I don't think that Marv getting high to draft lineman is a recipe for success. "It's for my glaucoma!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 The first 2 guys you mentioned are no longer with the team, and Klemm was pretty much a bust. I agree that NE has a great O line, but look at where they were drafted. LT: Matt Light, 2nd round, 17th pick LG: Logan Mankins, 1st round, last pick C: Dan Koppen, 5th round, 29th pick RG: Stephen Neal, Undrafted Free Agent RT: Brandon Gorin, 7th round 1st pick by SD (the starter Kaczur was injured but he was an Undrafted Free Agent). So, 2/3rds of their line was either taken on the 2nd day or not at all. 608530[/snapback] Where did they draft fraud monitoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Watson and Graham don't play on the line. 608455[/snapback] wait.... you cant be serious, they dont play on the line? HAHAHAHAHAHAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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