dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Just look at this board, as the losses pile up...there are far more posts about how TD fugged up, and how much MM sucks! I rarely see any fans spending much time talking about what a good player Crowell has turned into. If posts like that are started, they are usually sabatoged by "TD sucks" kind of stuff....Sullivan writes about the things that are "hot issues" with Buffalo area sports fans...the beat reporters are the ones who write the fluff pieces...it is just the nature of his job. If most of the material he has to write about is negative, his columns are going to be negative....everyone complains when he writes about the NBA! The Buffalo Bills are still the biggest game in town...and they are not doing so hot, if you hadn't noticed! 515611[/snapback] there's even more to it than that. beat reporters who are too harsh see their sources dry up. that doesn't happen with sullivan, who doesn't rely on them. there are, however, guys who do both -- ron borges of the globe, and national guys like don banks, len pasquarelli, and hell, even mike florio (who's a lot more widely read than jerry sullivan, by the way). but sullivan is basically lazy as far as i can tell, and has no aspirations to become a better writer by cultivating sources. as far as i can tell, he has none -- all of his pieces are more or less informed broadsides. to cultivate sources, his critiques and editorials would have to be more nuanced and measured, which he seems constitutionally incapable of. and of course, that speaks poorly of him as a newspaper writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 So which is it: Does Sully blow whichever way the wind does? Or just blow? (Glad we need the media to validate our opinions, BTW...) 515622[/snapback] You completely missed my point, or perhaps I didn't make it well enough! We (meaning Bills/sports fans) can draw irrational opinions about our favorite team when it is not doing well, we all call Sully a douche bag on regular basis, because he is too negative (which seems to be everyone's major complaint about him). It strikes me that a lot of fans are looking to him to somehow assure them that the team isn't as bad as they are thinking it is. When he doesn't, and agrees with the masses that things are as awful as they look, we kill the messenger.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 You completely missed my point, or perhaps I didn't make it well enough! We (meaning Bills/sports fans) can draw irrational opinions about our favorite team when it is not doing well, we all call Sully a douche bag on regular basis, because he is too negative (which seems to be everyone's major complaint about him). It strikes me that a lot of fans are looking to him to somehow assure them that the team isn't as bad as they are thinking it is. When he doesn't, and agrees with the masses that things are as awful as they look, we kill the messenger.... 515777[/snapback] Well, Sully (and many columnists) and most talk radio feed off of the lowest level (read: stupid) thought that is behind most of the discussion on this and most other discussion forums (sports or otherwise). Face it, most people shouldn't share their poorly formed thoughts in public. (Of course they have a RIGHT to...I ain't arguing otherwise.) Instead of raising the level of discourse, Sully chooses to jump in the banal slop of knee-jerk negativism. The problem as I see it is Sullivan's near total lack of football knowledge. He doesn't know what makes sense when it comes to football. Jerry is a basketball writer stuck in a town w/o an NBA team. He has to write about a local team in a sport which is is terrible uncomfortable discussing. He is unequipped to raise the level of discourse. He is reliant on the crap on WGR and the bulls#it hooey no-nothings discuss at the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 we also have a sizable core of underachievers with no one on the horizon worthy of replacing them. 5 years into donohoe's tenure, that IS a JOKE. 515540[/snapback] What we have is a bunch of self-out-smarting coaches who can't get these underachieving players to focus and concentrate and get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 It gets tiresome after awhile. How about talking about Losman and how he looks? Or about Crowell and how he’s filling in for Spikes? Or how about the job MM is doing…or Gray…or Clements? How about writing a few articles that don’t have the basic theme, “TD needs to go!”? 515572[/snapback] Because those don't sell his papers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I usually dislike Sully's articles, believing them to be way over the top and generally a hatchet job. But, today's Sully article simply points out the facts, and they are not good. It was right on the money and at some point this offseason TD is going to have to address his failures with respect to the OL and the lack of playoff appearances. 515364[/snapback] TD may have to address his failures, but this is not a new phenomena by any means. The OL problem has existed for years and all TD has done is look for band aids. Perhaps the message re the OL will finally get thru after this debacle. But what about all the other messages TD needs to address, as well? My, and so many other's, faith in TD is shot. Can Ralph commitment be very far behind? I certainly hope not. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 When he doesn't, and agrees with the masses that things are as awful as they look, we kill the messenger.... 515777[/snapback] Nah, I disagree. There are plenty of TSW regulars who eloquently lay out their arguments for why the Bills are underachieving, yet do so without going "nah, nah, da nah nah....the Bills suck!" which is generally how Sully writes. We slag Jerry due to his lack of talent/insight/value, not 'cause he's the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I hate that SOB, but he is probably right. I prefer Pollock though, why can't he write for the Buffalo News? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 My, and so many other's, faith in TD is shot. You're preaching to the choir. I've been off the kool-aid for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Being a sports columnist is one of the best jobs in the world. Write what you feel like, never worry about facts or being wrong, contradict yourself, and be smug and self-righteous holding everyone else in the world to a standard that you yourself could never meet. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Teams that are perennial winners, like the Bills used to be, benefit from picking at the end of the first round. They don't have to pay 10 million dollar bonuses for unproven guys, and you can still get great talent at the end of the round. Look at some of our guys. Henry Jones, John Fina, to name a couple....at the end of the first. Even JP Losman, at #23, and Willis, late first round, moderate signing bonuses and contracts. 515614[/snapback] John Fina? Whoa there my friend. You were doing well until the JF reference. He was a turnstile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 We have good skill players. We just need the OL to be improved and DL to be improved. Maybe replace Greer as well. Then this team will be playoff bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 We have good skill players. We just need the OL to be improved and DL to be improved. Maybe replace Greer as well. Then this team will be playoff bound. 516561[/snapback] Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Ouch: "Five years and the O-line is still a mess. Five years and the defensive line can't stop the run. Five years, and Donahoe has turned a proud Bills franchise into the AFC's version of Arizona". An offensive line that would help produce some points and take the pressure off of the defense by making the time of possession a little more in the Bills favor would certainly be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Nah, I disagree. There are plenty of TSW regulars who eloquently lay out their arguments for why the Bills are underachieving, yet do so without going "nah, nah, da nah nah....the Bills suck!" which is generally how Sully writes. We slag Jerry due to his lack of talent/insight/value, not 'cause he's the messenger. 515970[/snapback] Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 John Fina? Whoa there my friend. You were doing well until the JF reference. He was a turnstile. 516488[/snapback] I remember a few years back, when Fina was still on the team, he had a morning show on 103.3 The Edge here in Buffalo. He would call in and talk to Shredd and Regan on their morning show, and take some call-in questions from the listeners. I was listening one Monday, after a particularly bad game for Fina the day before, and a caller called in. The exchange was as follows: Shredd: "Okay, let's go to Rick in Williamsville." Rick: "Hey guys, good morning. I just had a question for John. Hey John, do you have any windburn on your face today?" Fina: "I don't understand the question." Rick: "Well, just seeing the way (insert defensive end name here) was blowing by you yesterday, I figured you might have some windburn." Fina (to Shredd and Regan): "You know what guys, I don't need this. I am sore, and I wake up early to call in and do this show, and I really don't need this. Goodbye." He hung up. Shredd and Regan didn't really know what to do. It seemed like they wanted to burst out laughing, but had to remain polite and professional. I believe the John Fina Show continued the next week as scheduled, but that call had me dying as I listened in my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPatPatSack Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 You completely missed my point, or perhaps I didn't make it well enough! We (meaning Bills/sports fans) can draw irrational opinions about our favorite team when it is not doing well, we all call Sully a douche bag on regular basis, because he is too negative (which seems to be everyone's major complaint about him). It strikes me that a lot of fans are looking to him to somehow assure them that the team isn't as bad as they are thinking it is. When he doesn't, and agrees with the masses that things are as awful as they look, we kill the messenger.... 515777[/snapback] Difference is that we Pay Money to get the sully scope. He is a pro, and we should get pro quality from him. No one has ever called him out for insightful opinions. If I want dumb-a$$ opinions I can get them here! Which is why I'd rather pay for high-speed from Adelphia, than a subscription to the news. Not that the DA opinions are cheaper here, just that you get more of them for your buck. And sully doesn;t have a clever siggie or avatar either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Difference is that we Pay Money to get the sully scope. He is a pro, and we should get pro quality from him. No one has ever called him out for insightful opinions. If I want dumb-a$$ opinions I can get them here! Which is why I'd rather pay for high-speed from Adelphia, than a subscription to the news. Not that the DA opinions are cheaper here, just that you get more of them for your buck. And sully doesn;t have a clever siggie or avatar either. 517257[/snapback] I dunno, I have been reading Sullivans' columns for years, and never paid a penny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granitestatebillsbackers Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Sullivan and the Buffalo News have accomplished their mission. There are many, many posts in this thread and others complaining about Sullivan sounding like a nagging mother-in-law; no sources; he's so meeeeean; wah wah wah. Truth is, more people than not can't wait to see what he'll write next. He's not a columnist because he can't/won't/doesn't want to/ cultivate sources or because he's a basketball writer in a town without a b-ball team He's a columnist because in the Buffalo market, he has broad readership--that's what sells papers. He's just pushing buttons. Sells papers, keeps the buzz going. I have seen posts on OBD from supposed fans that are far worse than anything JS produces--and they're poorly conceived and written to boot. If you want in-depth analysis, hit the NFL Network or Sirius NFL Radio (well, except for Randy Cross, who is a knucklehead). But Sullivan and his editors know that in a football-crazy town like Buffalo, thousands of outraged fans are going to be talking about HIS column the next day. Do I like his columns? Generally, no. He's a master of overstatement, and I prefer more objective analysis. But he's still employed--and that means that he's getting readers and reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 I've don't dislike Sullivan. I don't always agree, but this time I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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