Can the Bills win out?

[transplantbillsfan]

Yes. Of course they can. With Josh Allen anything is possible.

 

And I would argue our remaining schedule is pretty easy, all things considered.

[Kelly to Allen]

10 minutes ago, steven50 said:

ya that is the point, because if you say "the bills are not a championship team " then it should be easy to point to what you consider a championship team, otherwise your just throwing out sound bites. If you don't no what is a "championship team" this year then your comment is pointless.

 

 

I think he's saying in the present they aren't which is probably fair. His reasons it could change are not wild takes tho. Those few things could very well happen. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[BillsFanForever19]

29 minutes ago, steven50 said:

ya that is the point, because if you say "the bills are not a championship team " then it should be easy to point to what you consider a championship team, otherwise your just throwing out sound bites. If you don't no what is a "championship team" this year then your comment is pointless.

 

I can tell you, as I did in the post you obviously just skimmed through - teams like the Patriots and Broncos are much better built teams and much closer to a Championship team than us. Same can be said of the Chargers. These are not one dimensional teams like we are.

 

We just beat a now .500 Steelers and lost to a Backup QB led Texans the week before. We're 4-4 in our last 8 games. And we continue to rely completely on the run game. It's not sustainable and the last 8 weeks have proven that.

 

Fun win. But the reality remains the same.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[steven50]

Ok so a team like the patriots:

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The Patriots’ strength of schedule, indicated by opponent win percentage, is 0.356, by far the easiest schedule in the league.

30. New England Patriots, .429

▪︎ Opponents' combined 2024 record: 124-165   https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45916116/what-nfl-strength-schedule-2025-team-rankings

 

 

 

 

is what you consider a championship team.  

 

Got it.

 

We are done.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

28 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I think the AFC looks worse for us this year than before. The teams may look mediocre but really it’s just more teams in the mix on our level. Just my 2 cents. 

Im a little puzzled by this take personally but respect it  haha I was pickin up what you were putting down on the rest of the posts though 😂

 

If this team cuts out some straight up boneheaded turnovers I think they’ve got a chance to be better than last years team…safeties and corners were horrible last year, receivers were just as bad considering cooper didn’t really play that much in the playoffs anyway, honestly think the LBs are better with Shaq Thompson in there, bosa has some juice out of the other DE spot, Hawes definitely gives you some options to pound the run,etc.

 

and even if the team is a little worse, avoiding one of a 2024 kc and 2024 Baltimore level team would easily offset that in my opinion 

 

I hate that I’m gonna upset the pats fan here again who seems like a good dude haha but as solid as I think that team is I think their ceiling is pretty low this year and they are far below the standard home team in divisional round quality.  Doesn’t mean they can’t win by any means but just pure talent wise that’s about the best it’s gonna get for an opponent in round 2.  Same goes for pretty much everyone else in the mix too 

[steven50]

Saying the team that plays the 4th place teams teams last year is equal to the schedule of the  team that is playing all the first place teams seems a little disingenuous to me.

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[JP51]

16 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I can tell you, as I did in the post you obviously just skimmed through - teams like the Patriots and Broncos are much better built teams and much closer to a Championship team than us. Same can be said of the Chargers. These are not one dimensional teams like we are.

 

We just beat a now .500 Steelers and lost to a Backup QB led Texans the week before. We're 4-4 in our last 8 games. And we continue to rely completely on the run game. It's not sustainable and the last 8 weeks have proven that.

 

Fun win. But the reality remains the same.

Agree and as you mentioned Denver and NE.... here come the Texans who look really tough 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

24 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I can tell you, as I did in the post you obviously just skimmed through - teams like the Patriots and Broncos are much better built teams and much closer to a Championship team than us. Same can be said of the Chargers. These are not one dimensional teams like we are.

 

We just beat a now .500 Steelers and lost to a Backup QB led Texans the week before. We're 4-4 in our last 8 games. And we continue to rely completely on the run game. It's not sustainable and the last 8 weeks have proven that.

 

Fun win. But the reality remains the same.

Broncos offense has looked pretty awful to me every time I’ve seen them tbh…I really think they’re dumbing things down for nix.  They hardly ever use presnap motion it is straight up bizarre 

 

6 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Agree and as you mentioned Denver and NE.... here come the Texans who look really tough 

I was just gonna say that’s the only team that really worries me…people get wayyyy too hung up on overall records at arbitrary points in the season when deciding what teams are good.  Texans have played the anti-pats/bears schedule where they pretty much only play good teams lol. 9 teams over .500 right now, the ravens, and the titans twice was their schedule 

 

 I know this board loves them (well not loves haha thinks they’re great) but I’m really not sold on Denver or NE yet personally 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Buffalo Ballin]

If Psycho Mode Josh Allen is here to stay,

James Cook stays healthy,

Kincaid returns, 

Brandin Cooks shows a pulse,

our defense magically locks in out of nowhere, then yeah we have a puncher's chance.

[BillsFanForever19]

35 minutes ago, steven50 said:

Ok so a team like the patriots:

 

 

is what you consider a championship team.  

 

Got it.

 

We are done.

 

My man - we're not that much better at #23 on that list. You're acting as though us being at a .467 at 8-4 and them being at .429 at 10-2 means we're legit and they're complete frauds. They're taking care of the teams put in front of them. Like the Falcons and the Dolphins who we lost to. And more importantly than that, humiliated us.

 

But beyond that, I'm talking about the makeup of the team. They have a good running game with Treveyon Henderson who has come on HUGE the past couple weeks. A WR core that has Stefon Diggs looking like he's in his prime. A QB who is playing at an MVP level. And an All Pro on Defense. 

 

You want to live in fantasy land where us going 4-4 over the past 8 weeks with a one dimensional attack means we're a Championship team? Be my guest. It's just going to make the kind of losses like we had last week that much more painful and confusing - when the answer is obvious. The roster is not built to compete against the league's best at their best.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Chautauqua Mafia]

No. They'll absolutely lose in New England and likely to Philadelphia 

[steven50]

14 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

They have a good running game with Treveyon Henderson who has come on HUGE the past couple weeks. A WR core that has Stefon Diggs looking like he's in his prime. A QB who is playing at an MVP level. And an All Pro on Defense. 

 

You want to live in fantasy land where us going 4-4 over the past 8 weeks with a one dimensional attack means we're a Championship team? Be my guest. It's just going to make the kind of losses like we had last week that much more painful and confusing - when the answer is obvious. The roster is not built to compete.

 

I would rather have cook then Henderson and I would rather have Josh Allen then Drake Maye, but you do you.  

 

Again, if your going to talk about "championship team" and your going to say the patriots are that "championship team" with the schedule they have played then we will agree to disagree

 

But the good thing about competition is we get to see who is right, so really there is no ambiguity. I will book mark this thread and we will see if cook and Allen are better then your boys in NE.

 

See you in January

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[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, steven50 said:

 

I would rather have cook then Henderson and I would rather have Josh Allen then Drake Maye, but you do you.  

 

Again, if your going to talk about "championship team" and your going to say the patriots are that "championship tea"m with the schedule they have played then we will agree to disagree

 

But the good thing about competition is we get to see who is right so really there is no ambiguity. I will book mark mark this thread and we will see if cook and allen are better then your boys in NE.

 

See you in January

 

That's great. I'd agree with you that I'd rather have Josh and Cook over Maye and Henderson. And if a QB and a RB was all you needed, we'd have the Pats in spades. 

 

The difference is, they have a passing game. They have weapons beyond their QB and RB. We simply do not. 

 

They aren't "my boys". I hate the Patriots like any Bills fan. But that's not going to change the fact that they (and other teams in the AFC) can take care of business through the air. Until we can develop a passing game, we cannot compete when it matters.

 

If you're "seeing me in January" - that means things have changed. That means against the odds, we were able to make it work through the air with, quite possibly, the worst group of WR's at getting open I've ever seen. But after 13 weeks, I don't see that changing. 

 

But all means, bookmark away. I'd be thrilled to be wrong about this offense and the fact that I don't see a Championship roster.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[steven50]

Well now......

 

That is odd because in your comment you just mentioned a running back and a wr. Now you are saying  our running back is better and our QB is better.

Now I must admit that I also think Kincaid is a better Tight end the Henry so unless you disagree with that then I guess you think A WR makes a team significantly better then another a team with a better QB, running back, and tight end? 

 

That is some some curious reasoning.

 

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If you're "seeing me in January" - that means things have changed. 

 

Actually seeing you in January means things will play out the way most people (and every stat and sport book in the the USA)  thinks they will play out with the Bills and Patriots both making the playoffs.

 

If you think that wont happen you are in the minority.

 

But yes, Bookmarked. 🙂

Edited 1 hour ago by steven50

[davefan66]

It’s Josh Allen on your side, anything can happen.

 

Will they win out?  Probably not.  
 

After the first 4 games, they are 3-5 and we are 4-4. Great win yesterday, but neither team has been world beaters.  
 

Although, I believe the bills are better than their record, they need to prove it consistently.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by davefan66

[BillsFanForever19]

12 minutes ago, steven50 said:

Well now......

 

That is odd because in your comment you just mentioned a running back and a wr. Now you are saying  our running back is better and our QB is better.

Now I must admit that I also think Kincaid is a better Tight end the Henry so unless you disagree with that then I guess you think A WR makes a team significantly better then another a team with a better QB, running back, and tight end? 

 

That is some some curious reasoning.

 

 

Actually seeing you in January means things will play out the way most people (and every stat and sport book in the the USA)  thinks they will play out with the Bills and Patriots both making the playoffs.

 

If you think that wont happen you are in the minority.

 

But yes, Bookmarked. 🙂

 

Did I say "we won't make the playoffs"? No - I don't think I did. I said this is not a Championship team. And by Championship, I'm talking about a Super Bowl Champion. Though I don't really see an AFC Champion either.

 

And no - I don't think it's "curious reasoning" to suggest a team with a better QB and RB with no passing game doesn't trump a team with a lesser QB and RB that has a passing game. And while Josh is better than Maye, I don't think you'll find many that say he's performing better than Maye right now.

 

The point isn't *a* WR. The point is we have no passing game. No WR. Zero. Nada. Zilch. We're scrambling to sign Gabe Davis off the Practice Squad. Brandin Cooks and Mecole Hardman off the street. And you know why that is? Because we are NOWHERE. 

 

That's the crux of it. You can argue strength of schedule and compare things on paper all you want. It's not trumping results. And the results are we are a PAINFULLY one dimensional team. It's not the 40's and 50's. A great run game and a horrific passing game can't win a title.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[May Day 10]

Too 1 dimensional.  Stop the run and the bills are cooked

[Mikie2times]

Crazy to be how much this board swings week to week. Despite what we saw against a back up QB and a guy collecting social security with one arm, this defense can/will revert to against more functional offenses. All the focus is on the offense right now, but this defense is far from “book it” level. 
 

Forget about the obvious lack of playmakers outside. Within that, Brady’s scheme has regressed and teams are much better prepared for it now. Allen is not playing with confidence, accuracy, or any degree of decisiveness. Not saying this to

place blame, he needs more help, clearly, but he’s also missing layups at times. His energy level is total dog crap for long periods which is a reflection of the team as a whole and its inconsistent play. 
 

While most the AFC teams have some serious flaws and are capable of being beat, I’m not sure if this team can win 3 in a row against .500 level teams at this stage. They’re a wild card caliber squad, not much more. I don’t think winning out is possible, they just aren’t consistent enough.
 

Even with the flawed contenders, they’re playing with far more consistency, swag, or unit specific dominance. Things we just don’t have. We don’t have a unit as dominant as Houston or Denver’s defense. We don’t have the confidence/swag of the Patriots, who feel more like the early iterations of the Bills before the fun got sucked out. Jacksonville and the Chargers are just playing better football on both sides and again, more confidence, swag, youth.
 

This Bills team just looks like it’s been battling to stay on top of a mountain all year. But it’s stopped trying to climb higher for awhile now. Other teams might not be world beaters, but they’re clearly trying to continue the climb. 

[bmur66]

The pattern has been to follow up a game like this with a 💩 game so...

[steven50]

53 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Did I say "we won't make the playoffs"? No - I don't think I did. I said this is not a Championship team. And by Championship, I'm talking about a Super Bowl Champion. Though I don't really see an AFC Champion either.

 

And no - I don't think it's "curious reasoning" to suggest a team with a better QB and RB with no passing game doesn't trump a team with a lesser QB and RB that has a passing game. And while Josh is better than Maye, I don't think you'll find many that say he's performing better than Maye right now.

 

The point isn't *a* WR. The point is we have no passing game. No WR. Zero. Nada. Zilch. We're scrambling to sign Gabe Davis off the Practice Squad. Brandin Cooks and Mecole Hardman off the street. And you know why that is? Because we are NOWHERE. 

 

That's the crux of it. You can argue strength of schedule and compare things on paper all you want. It's not trumping results. And the results are we are a PAINFULLY one dimensional team. It's not the 40's and 50's. A great run game and a horrific passing game can't win a title.

You need to make up your mind. When I said what did you consider a "championship team" this year you said:

 

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 teams like the Patriots and Broncos are much better built teams and much closer to a Championship team than us.

 

Then you said I was right when I said we  have the better QB, RB, and TE.

 

When I questioned you on what made the patsy's a "championship team" the only thing you could point to was ONE Wide receiver. 

 

This is the reality. The patriots are a game and a half ahead of the bills.  They are that way because of the schedule they played and the bills crapping the bed when they played them. That happens every season with every team, not just the Bills.

 

The Chiefs probably wont even make the playoffs this year, that doesn't mean the Patriots are a better team, that means the Chiefs had a murderers row of a schedule (like the Bills) and the patriots did not.

 

At this point in the season there are 5 teams so bad they are eliminated from playoff contention already, of those 5 teams the patriots lost to one (the raiders  2-10) and they beat two ( saints 2-10 and Titans 1-11) they also beat the Joe Burrow Less Bengal's, the 3-9 Browns and lost to the same Steelers team we beat today. They get to play another one (Giants) this week.

 

They did not and will not play the chiefs, Ravens, Eagles, or Bengals with Joe Burrow.  The bills did or will.

 

That is not a "championship team" Its a middle of the road team with a weak schedule. I know that this week they get to beat up on the 2-10 NY giants which will probably further solidify in your mind that they are a "champion team".

 

Sure thing buddy.

 

 

Edited 38 minutes ago by steven50