Highly recommend all true patriots watch Ken Burns American Revolution documentary

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

Quack, MD:

 

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Do I need to put this in chart form for you Quack so you can misunderstand completely how you own goaled yourself once again?

I’m not telling anyone to touch grass. I also posted under Redtail hawk for years. I suspect those posts are included. 

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Redtail hawk for years

Equally as vomitus as your current incarnation. 

[teef]

yikes.

[BillsFanNC]

Nope Quack.

 

You joined August of 2022 and changed to your current handle in August of 2023.

 

August 16, 2023

redtail hawk   >   Joe Ferguson forever

 

 

 

 

[Andy1]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Your humo(u)r is not lost, but what is a modern day Patriot. I know Paul Revere was, but today. Are you considered a Patriot, is Leh-n, how does one describe it.

Is it an  American citizen who says screw the world or hates socialists, hugs commies or hates commies, would the late Dick Cheney who led the war against WMD be a Patriot, but his daughter not be.  Is a Patriot a birthright or do you have to do something to become one.

Can you oppose government action, or demand government action.

What is a Patriot in 2025.

Is Rand Paul a Patriot, is MTGreene, can you be a democrat or a Muslim, and who makes the determination? Can you challenge or must you conform to the government of the day. The original Patriot was against the government of the day, finding it oppressive, over tax. The original Patriot found himself without say, unrepresented in his own country, faced with all powerful King., attacked by their army, on their own soil. The original Patriot rebelled against the kefal army of the, refused to take orders that were legal in the day.

So what is a Patriot in 2025. 

 

 

 

This is a really good question given how this word is used in today’s politics. At its simplest, Patriot means one who loves their country. Then we need to examine what the word love means. It’s easy to love when no sacrifice is required. Those who sacrifice working for America in the military or in other capacities, representing America in foreign lands would certainly qualify. Politicians who serve with honor and loyalty to the Constitution, working for the betterment of all Americans, would qualify. Those whose actions put the welfare of their fellow citizens and our nation above their own self interest would qualify. Actions matter more than words. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

12 hours ago, Andy1 said:

For all the cynicism expressed here about the Burns documentary, no one has given any evidence showing why it is not accurate. How do you all learn about history? Is there a better producer who explains American history? 

 

Reading books. I'm working through Andrew Jackson O'Shaughnessy's The Men Who Lost America.  Dean Snow's 1777 is very good. Just re-read Jonathan Grenier's The First Way of War...actually does Burns cover the Gnaddenhutten Massacre at all?

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Reading books. I'm working through Andrew Jackson O'Shaughnessy's The Men Who Lost America.  Dean Snow's 1777 is very good. Just re-read Jonathan Grenier's The First Way of War...actually does Burns cover the Gnaddenhutten Massacre at all?

The correct approach.

It is a history of the American Revolution. Not the history. There probably is no such thing as the history. Adults understand this. Children want to be told.

[Andy1]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Reading books. I'm working through Andrew Jackson O'Shaughnessy's The Men Who Lost America.  Dean Snow's 1777 is very good. Just re-read Jonathan Grenier's The First Way of War...actually does Burns cover the Gnaddenhutten Massacre at all?

Reading books is the best way to learn history. Different authors give different perspectives on events. 
 

I’m not sure if Burns discusses the Gnaddenhutten Massacre. I’m still working through the series and have not gotten to that time period yet.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

The correct approach.

It is a history of the American Revolution. Not the history. There probably is no such thing as the history. Adults understand this. Children want to be told.

Fair comment.  Probably a good time to remember that there is a history, foe some, the history and the business of history. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

32 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Reading books is the best way to learn history. Different authors give different perspectives on events. 
 

I’m not sure if Burns discusses the Gnaddenhutten Massacre. I’m still working through the series and have not gotten to that time period yet.

 

Grenier is a very good book on colonial war making, specifically vs. Indians. He's taking on Russel Weigley of The American Way of War  fame, and Guy Chet's Conquering the American Wildness: The Triumph of European Warfare in the Colonial Northeast.

 

Gnaddenhutten is one of many, many massacres we perpetrated while practicing "extirpative war". Grenier's actually got the balls to say the first American Way of War was a-ok with torturing and killing noncombatants, burning their homes and fields, and paying people for scalps in order to win. He's also got the signed documents and letters from the Continental Congress, Founding Fathers and state legislatures to prove it, which is the important bit.

[Tommy Callahan]

Listen to the American revolution podcast.  It's way more detailed and doesn't have any agendas.  Even though the burns one was good for high schoolers.  

 

I would also state that the hard leftist out there maybe, just maybe try grey history for the French revolution .  

 

 

7 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Grenier is a very good book on colonial war making, specifically vs. Indians. He's taking on Russel Weigley of The American Way of War  fame, and Guy Chet's Conquering the American Wildness: The Triumph of European Warfare in the Colonial Northeast.

 

Gnaddenhutten is one of many, many massacres we perpetrated while practicing "extirpative war". Grenier's actually got the balls to say the first American Way of War was a-ok with torturing and killing noncombatants, burning their homes and fields, and paying people for scalps in order to win. He's also got the signed documents and letters from the Continental Congress, Founding Fathers and state legislatures to prove it, which is the important bit.

There are two aides to that argument.  Same with Britain paying brant and his army of Canadian natives that purposely attacked the homes, wives and children of the colonial militia.  And brutally.  

 

 

[Andy1]

5 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Listen to the American revolution podcast.  It's way more detailed and doesn't have any agendas.  Even though the burns one was good for high schoolers.  

 

I would also state that the hard leftist out there maybe, just maybe try grey history for the French revolution .  

 

 

There are two aides to that argument.  Same with Britain paying brant and his army of Canadian natives that purposely attacked the homes, wives and children of the colonial militia.  And brutally.  

 

 

Thanks for the tip on the podcast. I’m a fan of podcasts and will check that one out. 

[Andy1]

6 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Grenier is a very good book on colonial war making, specifically vs. Indians. He's taking on Russel Weigley of The American Way of War  fame, and Guy Chet's Conquering the American Wildness: The Triumph of European Warfare in the Colonial Northeast.

 

Gnaddenhutten is one of many, many massacres we perpetrated while practicing "extirpative war". Grenier's actually got the balls to say the first American Way of War was a-ok with torturing and killing noncombatants, burning their homes and fields, and paying people for scalps in order to win. He's also got the signed documents and letters from the Continental Congress, Founding Fathers and state legislatures to prove it, which is the important bit.

Thanks. I’ll check out those books. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

There are two aides to that argument.  Same with Britain paying brant and his army of Canadian natives that purposely attacked the homes, wives and children of the colonial militia.  And brutally.  

except the British were at war with the colonial militia.  The Indians at gnadenhutten were pacifists  I had never heard of this massacre til now. Makes me profoundly sad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnadenhutten_massacre

[JDHillFan]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

except the British were at war with the colonial militia.  The Indians at gnadenhutten were pacifists  I had never heard of this massacre til now. Makes me profoundly sad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnadenhutten_massacre

Makes you profoundly melodramatic. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Makes you profoundly melodramatic. 

Anus man, you should have those inflamed hemorrhoids removed.  they're making you heartless and irritable.  Also, get a bidet.

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

Makes you profoundly melodramatic. 

Huh. Dude says learning of a massacre makes him

sad. 
 

You then mock him. 
 

You’re sort of a dick, aren’t you?

[JDHillFan]

3 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Huh. Dude says learning of a massacre makes him

sad. 
 

You then mock him. 
 

You’re sort of a dick, aren’t you?

It was the “profoundly” part. Maybe you missed it. I suspect he rebounded rather quickly. You should go back to tying the patriotism of others to a Ken Burns documentary. 
 

4 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Anus man, you should have those inflamed hemorrhoids removed.  they're making you heartless and irritable.  Also, get a bidet.

Yes, he got over the profound sadness. Whew!

[The Frankish Reich]

9 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

It was the “profoundly” part. Maybe you missed it. I suspect he rebounded rather quickly. You should go back to tying the patriotism of others to a Ken Burns documentary. 
 

Yes, he got over the profound sadness. Whew!

Scold.

[BillsFanNC]