I was at the game and let me tell you what was happening downfield

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, GroteStreet said:

I think we all need to stop our bitchin about the wide receivers, after all the team did score a lot of points last year.

And they've scored a lot of points this year to.  That happens when your MVP level QB gooses the numbers when he puts on the Super Man cape. Unfortunately in the football world beyond High School one guy, no matter how great, can not be expected to function at an elite level every single game.  

 

So I'll keep bitching about the WR group because while it wasn't very good last season it's gotten worse with the departures of Cooper & Hollins.  

Edited 1 hour ago by CincyBillsFan

[GroteStreet]

8 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Our #1 WR for the majority of last season was Cooper and he’s retired. The WR that led the team in scoring was Hollins and he plays for the Pats now.

 

It’s not like it’s the same guys out there.

According to beane, our wr group is fine.

[Nihilarian]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And they've scored a lot of points this year to.  That happens when your MVP level QB gooses the numbers when he puts on the Super Man cape. Unfortunately in the football world beyond High School one guy, no matter how great, can not be expected to function at an elite level every single game.  

 

So I'll keep bitching about the WR group because while it wasn't very good last season it's gotten worse with the departures of Cooper & Hollins.  

I disagree, as we all saw what can happen with proper game plans against the Chiefs and Bucs. As others have pointed out, and even McD stated that the play calling was off...

 

McDermott added, “I believe in our offensive staff,” but it’s clear that the offensive scheme needs to get better. Right now, the whole Bills’ offense revolves around expecting Allen to make plays, even when he’s under relentless pressure. That’s not a winning formula.

[MJS]

40 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

What I witnessed was Allen trying to win the game by himself with no WR support and certainly zero defensive support. In years past, when things were going poorly, Allen would just play football. Some of the other elements would step up and make big plays. We have none of that now and it’s making Allen play worse. The team and coaching staff is killing him.

 

In previous seasons, the Bills would finish strong at the end and we would see a sudden death in the playoffs. This year, it’s death by a thousand cuts. By the time the playoffs start, the Bills will have bled out.

The defense was great in the 2nd half. This loss is on the offense. Brady needs to go. The receivers aren't bad enough that they can't be schemed open. The Bills never have a good offensive game plan. They never try to exploit certain weaknesses. They run the same few plays over and over. If not for Cook's ability to make big plays, the offense would be just plain bad.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

I disagree, as we all saw what can happen with proper game plans against the Chiefs and Bucs. As others have pointed out, and even McD stated that the play calling was off...

 

McDermott added, “I believe in our offensive staff,” but it’s clear that the offensive scheme needs to get better. Right now, the whole Bills’ offense revolves around expecting Allen to make plays, even when he’s under relentless pressure. That’s not a winning formula.

But in both those cases Allen played at an MVP level.  This is not sustainable each and every week.

 

While I agree that offensive scheme is a problem it is only part of the problem.  McD is slyly trying to blame the problem on TACTICS (in game & pre game schemes) when the problem is STRATEGIC (offensive philosophy and roster construction).  This is why firing Brady would only lead to a short lived boost in offensive production as DC's would need a few games to get tape on the new Bills offense.  

 

And I suspect that McD believes in his offensive staff in large part because they have bought his STRATEGIC vision for the offense hook line and sinker.  They are fellow true believers in how an offense can best compliment a defense and in the end defense will always by McD's first love.

 

Think about how critical it was that Levy abandoned his conservative style of coaching in favor of the no huddle K Gun.  That was not a small thing that Levy did.  It had to go against a lot of what he believed in his bones as a football coach.  Yet when confronted with a uniquely talented QB, WR & RB he did it and the rest is history.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

The defense was great in the 2nd half. This loss is on the offense. Brady needs to go. The receivers aren't bad enough that they can't be schemed open. The Bills never have a good offensive game plan. They never try to exploit certain weaknesses. They run the same few plays over and over. If not for Cook's ability to make big plays, the offense would be just plain bad.

How about the D be great for a full game?  And when you say great in the 2nd half yea they stopped the Texan's offense after giving up 20 points in the FIRST HALF but did not generate a single TO all game long.  

[LEBills]

16 minutes ago, GroteStreet said:

According to beane, our wr group is fine.

We added Josh Palmer! 😂

[Wayne Cubed]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

How about the D be great for a full game?  And when you say great in the 2nd half yea they stopped the Texan's offense after giving up 20 points in the FIRST HALF but did not generate a single TO all game long.  

 

Also, they generated very little pressure on Mills. He was able to stand in the pocket and deliver, for most of the night, outside of a couple blitzes. I agree about the first half as well, like why the hell are you giving up 7 points on a 2 min drive to backup QB.

As far as the offense goes, I'm now convinced that Brady has awful passing concepts. He has one man beater concept he runs. Mesh. And he ran it back to back on the last 2 plays of the game. That combined with the talent level of the WRs, you get the Bills current passing scheme. It's a mess. 

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

How about the D be great for a full game?  And when you say great in the 2nd half yea they stopped the Texan's offense after giving up 20 points in the FIRST HALF but did not generate a single TO all game long.  

Some of that is on the offense turning the ball over and giving it to the Texans in the red zone. The Texans also started with great field position on almost every single drive because the offense could not get past their own 20 yard line.

 

Every time the defense struggles, the offense turtles up and can't do anything. The difference is, the defense turned it around, made adjustments, and played way better, giving the offense a chance to go win the game. The offense continued to spin its wheels all game long.

 

The Bills have an average defense that is riddled with injuries, making it a poor defense. But even that poor defense gives the offense chances to go and win the game, and the offense doesn't ever reward that.

[DapperCam]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Some of that is on the offense turning the ball over and giving it to the Texans in the red zone. The Texans also started with great field position on almost every single drive because the offense could not get past their own 20 yard line.

 

Every time the defense struggles, the offense turtles up and can't do anything. The difference is, the defense turned it around, made adjustments, and played way better, giving the offense a chance to go win the game. The offense continued to spin its wheels all game long.

 

The Bills have an average defense that is riddled with injuries, making it a poor defense. But even that poor defense gives the offense chances to go and win the game, and the offense doesn't ever reward that.

I look at it this way. The offense has won us at least 2 games almost single handed. The Baltimore game and the Bucs game. The defense hasn’t won us any game, and has actually put us in a hole for most of our losses.

[Buffalo03]

9 hours ago, ganesh said:

WE miss Diggs as a play maker.   This may not be popular, but that guy had the knack to get open and give Allen a chance.  The same was with Cole.  We are missing those guys so badly on this offense.  Shakir has also been a BIG disappointment.   We paid him money for being a WR and not a catch at scrimmage and try making 5-7 yards (and get lucky once in a while).   There were zero slant passes to him to move the chains. 

It's crazy when you call the days of Diggs, Beasley and John Brown as the good old days

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I look at it this way. The offense has won us at least 2 games almost single handed. The Baltimore game and the Bucs game. The defense hasn’t won us any game, and has actually put us in a hole for most of our losses.

I don't agree with that. The defense played great against Kansas City and great against Carolina.

 

Meanwhile, our offense put up 19, 13, and 14 points against the Texans, Dolphins, and Falcons. The offense went completely anemic against those teams. And both the Texans game and Falcons game were easily in reach for the Bills to win if the offense had been even average.

Edited 49 minutes ago by MJS

[Nihilarian]

What bothers me is that game could have been easily won, even though the defense was really bad in the first half. 

 

“They had 12 hits on Josh, eight sacks. That’s not a healthy formula right there,” McDermott said. “It’s not a healthy way to play or a healthy way to keep our quarterback healthy through the remainder of the season.”

 

We ALL held our breath when he went down in that game. If I ever see Joe Brady in RL I will give him some of my mind. That could have been the season-ender or even career. 

[goldenboy81]

The defense did play better when Shaq took over. Shows how bernard holds them back