JA - 1st player in NFL history with multiple 3 pass/3 run games

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

No you are incorrect.

 

In those seven elite 8 level playoff games the offense is scoring 6 less points and the defense is allowing 7 more..........but the defense also had a pick 6 in one of the Baltimore wins so it's basically dead even point differential as to who has underperformed when the real contenders match up.   

 

Josh really struggled in both Baltimore wins.  He has made critical errors in stalled drives at the end of the last 2 losses to KC.   But in both cases,  I place the blame on the weapons around him........which were scant.

 

I was talking about the KC games in particular.

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah when Allen throws 50 TD passes per 17 game season from age 36-38 I will say he "passed" Peyton Manning.😂

 

Unfortunately, because of Beane we've thus far been denied seeing if Allen could evolve into one of the greatest passers.

 

And it's cost them as they've gotten deep into the playoffs and Allen has been unable to translate the run-around-til-someone-gets-open offense into production in the elite 8 level of the playoffs.   They've had 1 good offensive performance in 7 of those games.  

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah when Allen throws 50 TD passes per 17 game season from age 36-38 I will say he "passed" Peyton Manning.😂

 

Unfortunately, because of Beane we've thus far been denied seeing if Allen could evolve into one of the greatest passers.

 

And it's cost them as they've gotten deep into the playoffs and Allen has been unable to translate the run-around-til-someone-gets-open offense into production in the elite 8 level of the playoffs.   They've had 1 good offensive performance in 7 of those games.  

 

 

tough to say what it would look like if they got aggressive on offense in the playoffs...outside the 2021 yr where it was probably the greatest single offensive run in playoff history they have been determined to play low risk ball control. expecting great offensive production past the wildcard round w the style we've been running the last 3 seasons is unrealistic. they've still been incredibly efficient  

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I was talking about the KC games in particular.

 

 

1.  So the divisional loss to Cinci where they scored 10 points at home doesn't count?   Everything isn't about KC........they could have easily lost BOTH of those divisional games to Baltimore as badly as the offense played those days.......and even wrt to KC specifically they only scored 30 in one of those 4 losses.   They were terrible offensively in that 2020 loss(with a banged up WR corps).   13 seconds is the only exceptional offensive day they have had in 7 divisional or championship games with Allen.

 

2. Stats prior to the rules changes of 2010 are irrelevant today.   The year after the changes 7 of the top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons took place.  That was kind of my point with Peyton Manning.  His stats from age 36-38 dwarfed those of most of the rest of his career because the game changed drastically.   The statistical standards for QB play now are MUCH higher.  Look at Lamar's stats last year.   Numbers can go off the charts now compared to the 80's-00's.   

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

tough to say what it would look like if they got aggressive on offense in the playoffs...outside the 2021 yr where it was probably the greatest single offensive run in playoff history they have been determined to play low risk ball control. expecting great offensive production past the wildcard round w the style we've been running the last 3 seasons is unrealistic. they've still been incredibly efficient  

 

 

I don't know if I'd say they weren't aggressive in the divisional and AFCCG levels.   I think you might be referring to the ball control offense in the 2023 home loss to KC but that was just nearly a happy accident.   They tried to push the ball downfield unsuccessfully.  To the point where they ultimately, idiotically tried to score on a low % shot play to Shakir on 2nd and 9 after the 2 minute warning when the ONLY sensible move was to burn the clock against the gassed KC D and score with no time left.  They subsequently got NOTHING.  Bad offense.  They also turned the ball over on downs on both of their last 2 possessions in KC last January.   Outside of that 2021 team they have just not gotten it done offensively in the final 8 level of the playoffs. 

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

1.  So the divisional loss to Cinci where they scored 10 points at home doesn't count?   Everything isn't about KC........they could have easily lost BOTH of those divisional games to Baltimore as badly as the offense played those days.......and even wrt to KC specifically they only scored 30 in one of those 4 losses.   They were terrible offensively in that 2020 loss(with a banged up WR corps).   13 seconds is the only exceptional offensive day they have had in 7 divisional or championship games with Allen.

 

2. Stats prior to the rules changes of 2010 are irrelevant today.   The year after the changes 7 of the top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons took place.  That was kind of my point with Peyton Manning.  His stats from age 36-38 dwarfed those of most of the rest of his career because the game changed drastically.   The statistical standards for QB play now are MUCH higher.  Look at Lamar's stats last year.   Numbers can go off the charts now compared to the 80's-00's.   

A couple of things: they scored 29 last year (374 yards; no TOs) and were solid (at least) in every offensive dimension against one of the best defenses in the league. Against Baltimore in 2021, they went into run-out-the-clock mode early when Jackson went down and with a 17-3 lead. More importantly, that game was a wind-tunnel game. Multiple missed FGs, shanked punts and deeper throws sailing wild. No one is putting up big numbers in a game like that. That game was effectively over by the beginning of the 4th quarter, when Snoop Huntley came in. Even still, the Bills had a chance to go up three scores but Bass missed a kick. By the beginning of the fourth quarter of that game, I had almost no doubt that the Bills would cruise to victory as long as they played it safe. Which they did.

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

1.  So the divisional loss to Cinci where they scored 10 points at home doesn't count?   Everything isn't about KC........they could have easily lost BOTH of those divisional games to Baltimore as badly as the offense played those days.......and even wrt to KC specifically they only scored 30 in one of those 4 losses.   They were terrible offensively in that 2020 loss(with a banged up WR corps).   13 seconds is the only exceptional offensive day they have had in 7 divisional or championship games with Allen.

 

2. Stats prior to the rules changes of 2010 are irrelevant today.   The year after the changes 7 of the top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons took place.  That was kind of my point with Peyton Manning.  His stats from age 36-38 dwarfed those of most of the rest of his career because the game changed drastically.   The statistical standards for QB play now are MUCH higher.  Look at Lamar's stats last year.   Numbers can go off the charts now compared to the 80's-00's.   

 

Brady put up over 4800 yards and 50 TDs in 2007 when they really started to use him more as a pass first option and at times barely even ran the ball. 

 

Also, the difference between what Allen is doing and what Brady did, mainly because of his dual threat ability as the best RZ QB of all time, is that if they play the same number of games and Allen continues at this pace, he will end up with a staggering 160 more TDs than Brady with 809. Also should easily extend his record streak of consecutive 40+ TD seasons to 6 with no end in sight...no other player has done it even 4 times and Allen is cruising towards a record that may never be even approached let alone broken...10 years? 12 years? 

 

Allen has a decent shot at becoming the all time leader in rushing TDs at this point, which is absolutely absurd.

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Turk

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I don't know if I'd say they weren't aggressive in the divisional and AFCCG levels.   I think you might be referring to the ball control offense in the 2023 home loss to KC but that was just nearly a happy accident.   They tried to push the ball downfield unsuccessfully.  To the point where they ultimately, idiotically tried to score on a low % shot play to Shakir on 2nd and 9 after the 2 minute warning when the ONLY sensible move was to burn the clock against the gassed KC D and score with no time left.  They subsequently got NOTHING.  Bad offense.  They also turned the ball over on downs on both of their last 2 possessions in KC last January.   Outside of that 2021 team they have just not gotten it done offensively in the final 8 level of the playoffs. 

2023 and 2024 tbh

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

A couple of things: they scored 29 last year (374 yards; no TOs) and were solid (at least) in every offensive dimension against one of the best defenses in the league. Against Baltimore in 2021, they went into run-out-the-clock mode early when Jackson went down and with a 17-3 lead. More importantly, that game was a wind-tunnel game. Multiple missed FGs, shanked punts and deeper throws sailing wild. No one is putting up big numbers in a game like that. That game was effectively over by the beginning of the 4th quarter, when Snoop Huntley came in. Even still, the Bills had a chance to go up three scores but Bass missed a kick. By the beginning of the fourth quarter of that game, I had almost no doubt that the Bills would cruise to victory as long as they played it safe. Which they did.

 

Yeah and how do you explain away scoring 10 at home against Cinci? 

 

The point is that the sample size is now up to 7 games....we don't need to cherry pick.

 

The score is offense -7 per game and defense -7 per game in these Balt/Cinci/KC SB contender level games.

 

But you have people like @Big Turk expounding that it's offense even and defense -98.  

 

It's THAT skewed in the minds of the fan base.

 

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

A couple of things: they scored 29 last year (374 yards; no TOs) and were solid (at least) in every offensive dimension against one of the best defenses in the league. Against Baltimore in 2021, they went into run-out-the-clock mode early when Jackson went down and with a 17-3 lead. More importantly, that game was a wind-tunnel game. Multiple missed FGs, shanked punts and deeper throws sailing wild. No one is putting up big numbers in a game like that. That game was effectively over by the beginning of the 4th quarter, when Snoop Huntley came in. Even still, the Bills had a chance to go up three scores but Bass missed a kick. By the beginning of the fourth quarter of that game, I had almost no doubt that the Bills would cruise to victory as long as they played it safe. Which they did.

i think in these 7 divisional+ games we have 1 single turnover

 

for comparison the chiefs' last 7 divisional+ games they have 8 i believe

 

 

[dayman]

On 11/16/2025 at 7:58 PM, gobills404 said:

I think Ravens fans tweet about Josh more than Bills fans do

 I mean he does get about half his rushing tds that way, I’d say anyway without looking it up

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah and how do you explain away scoring 10 at home against Cinci? 

 

The point is that the sample size is now up to 7 games....we don't need to cherry pick.

 

The score is offense -7 per game and defense -7 per game in these Balt/Cinci/KC SB contender level games.

 

But you have people like @Big Turk expounding that it's offense even and defense -98.  

 

It's THAT skewed in the minds of the fan base.

 

 

A team that was mentally shot after going through a crazy number of issues during the season including watching a teammate die on the field?  Yeah I know...minor stuff tho. I'm sure your mental state would have been perfect after all that, the effects of that only linger in wimps apparently.

[ddaryl]

On 11/16/2025 at 4:57 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Some Ravens fan on X telling me he is a TD vulture that gets half his scores via the Tushpush, and I need to be more concerned about the 2 INTs

Here.. send him this. Doesn't include the last 2 years 
 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Brady put up over 4800 yards and 50 TDs in 2007 when they really started to use him more as a pass first option and at times barely even ran the ball. 

 

Also, the difference between what Allen is doing and what Brady did, mainly because of his dual threat ability as the best RZ QB of all time, is that if they play the same number of games and Allen continues at this pace, he will end up with a staggering 160 more TDs than Brady with 809. Also should easily extend his record streak of consecutive 40+ TD seasons to 6 with no end in sight...no other player has done it even 4 times and Allen is cruising towards a record that may never be even approached let alone broken...10 years? 12 years? 

 

Allen has a decent shot at becoming the all time leader in rushing TDs at this point, which is absolutely absurd.

 

 

OK........so you are anticipating Josh Allen playing until his mid-40's and continuing on the same rushing TD pace until then? 

 

I think Allen is the most talented QB ever.  But the past few years will probably take his last few years.

 

  He needs to get with LeBron on body management asap if he is going to keep playing with a team that won't give him talent to play that 2020-2021 style again.   

[GoBills808]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

OK........so you are anticipating Josh Allen playing until his mid-40's and continuing on the same rushing TD pace until then? 

 

I think Allen is the most talented QB ever.  But the past few years will probably take his last few years.

 

  He needs to get with LeBron on body management asap if he is going to keep playing with a team that won't give him talent to play that 2020-2021 style again.   

agree

 

ive been concerned that an underreported part of playing in this offense is the amount of damage Allen takes as a function of the personnel

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

A team that was mentally shot after going through a crazy number of issues during the season including watching a teammate die on the field?  Yeah I know...minor stuff tho. I'm sure your mental state would have been perfect after all that, the effects of that only linger in wimps apparently.

 

 

And how many ACL's and achilles injuries have decimated the playoff offense?   Remarkably, none.   Making their underachieving even more disappointing.  No real injury excuses in any of them for the offense.   Just the defense.  The defense has that excuse in multiple of those playoff losses.   You can improve a side of the ball all you want but if fluke type injuries like those happen to star players then whose fault is that?

 

Ultimately the offense has underachieved and the defense has underperformed. 

[BullBuchanan]

This season JA should pass the career rushing touchdown total of players like Edgerrin James, Frank Gore, Corey Dillon and maybe even Marshawn Lynch. 

If he keeps doing anything close to what he's doing, by next year he'll have passed Curtis martin, Jerome Bettis, Priest Holmes, Franco Harris, and Eric Dickerson.
Add another 10 TDs to that and he surpasses Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, and Shaun Alexander.

Obviously he can't keep this up forever, but if he keeps pace for another couple years, he'll be one of the top 10 most prolific rushers to have ever played the game. 😶

With that, he's a Hall of Famer without a pass ever thrown.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_td_career.htm

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

And how many ACL's and achilles injuries have decimated the playoff offense?   Remarkably, none.   Making their underachieving even more disappointing.  No real injury excuses in any of them for the offense.   Just the defense.  The defense has that excuse in multiple of those playoff losses.   You can improve a side of the ball all you want but if fluke type injuries like those happen to star players then whose fault is that?

 

Ultimately the offense has underachieved and the defense has underperformed. 

 

Which explains why the game plan in many of those games was clock control, keep the ball as long as possible and limit possessions...to protect the defense.  Or don't you realize that is what they were trying to do with how they played?

 

When KC is averaging over 10 yards per play mid-way thru the 4th quarter that's a pretty big issue don't you think? And it came extremely close to working as they held the lead into the 4th quarter in those games most of the time...

[BADOLBILZ]

57 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i think in these 7 divisional+ games we have 1 single turnover

 

for comparison the chiefs' last 7 divisional+ games they have 8 i believe

 

 

 

 

Almost no turnovers and almost no injuries.   Very discouraging they haven't done more.   It really underscores the inability to win individual matchups at the receiver position.  Watching them labor offensively at home again in that Baltimore divisional game after all those high scoring games earlier in the year was exasperating.