Passing is better…so, why run?

[nosejob]

11 hours ago, gobills404 said:

That coupled with the fact that Josh has been worse off script this year

I was watching Eric Wood's podcast yesterday with Stevie Johnson and he said Josh needs to be more boss than buddy with his WRs and call his own plays.

To me it does kinda look like he's a bit handcuffed by Brady. Heck do we even have a pass coordinator?

 

He sure isn't looking like Jim Kelly on the sideline. I'd rather see him look like he's in charge.

 

I've been told that Rome wasn't built in a day to which I'd reply....That's cause I wasn't running that job. Take charge Josh!

[Sierra Foothills]

8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The problem with the offense is not the run-pass ratio.

 

It's that they're below average when they throw the ball.

 

6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

In what metrics?  Don’t think that is true for yards per attempt.  Td percentage, int percentage. 

 

It's what I'm seeing with my eyes, Matt.

 

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

I was watching Eric Wood's podcast yesterday with Stevie Johnson and he said Josh needs to be more boss than buddy with his WRs and call his own plays.

To me it does kinda look like he's a bit handcuffed by Brady. Heck do we even have a pass coordinator?

 

He sure isn't looking like Jim Kelly on the sideline. I'd rather see him look like he's in charge.

 

I've been told that Rome wasn't built in a day to which I'd reply....That's cause I wasn't running that job. Take charge Josh!

Aaron Rodgers used to do that in GB. He would call completely different plays consistently than what McCarthy gave him. So it was basically as if they had no sideline OC. Ultimately, McCarthy got the boot. 

 

Allen probably won't do that because he doesn't want to offend his coaches. Which is part of the problem. Too many nice guys. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Billsfanatic8989

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

20 hours ago, Rubes said:

This is a video posted a couple weeks ago, so if it was shared here already, my apologies. I did a quick search and didn't find it.

 

Interesting look at why teams still run the ball so much when passing seems to be clearly better. In the end, teams may want to run the ball as much or more than pass it. Is Joe Brady just following game theory? Are we all crazy to think that we run the ball too much, especially with an MVP at QB? Check it out and see what you think.

 

 

 

By the 2000s, the NFL had shifted into a passing league so defenses started drafting players smaller & faster to play the pass. I think we are just seeing the opposite happen now. Offenses are countering those speedy defenses w/ power run games and heavy sets. It’s just a constant evolution happening. 

9 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Aaron Rodgers used to do that in GB. He would call completely different plays consistently than what McCarthy gave him. So it was basically as if they had no sideline OC. Ultimately, McCarthy got the boot. 

 

Allen probably won't do that because he doesn't want to offend his coaches. Which is part of the problem. Too many nice guys. 

What we saw in New York w/ Rodgers was him basically being his own offensive coordinator. Obviously didn’t work out very well. Coaches coach, players play. Peyton Manning is the kind of QB that has his own built in OC. 

[Sierra Foothills]

15 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

By the 2000s, the NFL had shifted into a passing league so defenses started drafting players smaller & faster to play the pass. I think we are just seeing the opposite happen now. Offenses are countering those speedy defenses w/ power run games and heavy sets. It’s just a constant evolution happening. 

What we saw in New York w/ Rodgers was him basically being his own offensive coordinator. Obviously didn’t work out very well. Coaches coach, players play. Peyton Manning is the kind of QB that has his own built in OC. 

 

I agree with your points but I would add that these things aren't binary (I know...).

 

There are QBs (Manning, Rodgers... Brady?) that can disregard their OCs and QBs that wouldn't dare.

 

Then there's probably a healthy medium somewhere between those extremes and we don't know where Josh is on that range. Because we don't know, we can't say if it would be better if he took more ownership of the offense.

 

[Scott7975]

The team needs to be able to do both. They also need to mix things up better to keep the defense guessing. They try to mix it up by running different plays out of the same formations but that has been figured out. This offense is actually pretty primitive so it relies on each guy beating their guy instead of scheming stuff to work. 
 

FTR… I watched only about half that video when it came out but got bored with the presentation of it so shut it off. I have no idea what conclusion he came to. 

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Amen Don.  I feel for Brady as he has floundered, but when your promised a filet, and given the worst fattiest ground beef, what do you think is the result.  Beane is the one that bears the ultimate blame.  I’m so sick of hearing about the WR train and nothing happens for over 5 years.  It’s either stupidity or arrogance.  I’m not accusing anyone of anything, just it’s one or the other.

I hear you, the lack of emphasis on acquiring above average WRs for virtually the entire reign of the Beane McDermott is massively frustrating, somehow or another our brain trust has been blind to to this,  

[BananaB]

19 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I say run, why pass?

The Bills give up way to early  imo

 

 

The only time they have really gave up on the run is when it wasn’t doing ***** and 3 and outs were starting to add up

[machine gun kelly]

44 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I hear you, the lack of emphasis on acquiring above average WRs for virtually the entire reign of the Beane McDermott is massively frustrating, somehow or another our brain trust has been blind to to this,  

Tou know I almost feel bad forBrady.  Not that much though.  Moore and Samuel for that matter have done more on much worse teams.  Note to Brady, SCHEME YOURE RECEIVER DOWNFIELD, DOWNFIELD.  Cut this crap out behind the line of scrimmage.   Great we can run.  That’s only smaller half of the ball on offense.  Brady.  PASSING DOWNFIELD!

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Tou know I almost feel bad forBrady.  Not that much though.  Moore and Samuel for that matter have done more on much worse teams.  Note to Brady, SCHEME YOURE RECEIVER DOWNFIELD, DOWNFIELD.  Cut this crap out behind the line of scrimmage.   Great we can run.  That’s only smaller half of the ball on offense.  Brady.  PASSING DOWNFIELD!

 

It's like watching an NBA team which can only attack in the low post and doesn't have the ability to spread the floor by shooting from the outside... the defense can pack the paint.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

It's what I'm seeing with my eyes, Matt.

 

Fair enough. That is the struggle. … The output is reasonable but how it looks is bad.  Hoping to see a turnaround starting tomorrow.  

[Buffalo Ballin]

sleeping is better. So why open our eyes, get up, to take a dump?