wnyguy Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, muppy said: while I know the President has such immunity the thought of it protecting someone involved in this makes me sick to my stomach. for real. I don't think he's protecting someone involved in this, think of someone who is closer to him than that.
muppy Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Just now, wnyguy said: I don't think he's protecting someone involved in this, think of someone who is closer to him than that. Lord have mercy
SCBills Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 11 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Guys, the people who have power in this country operate in the shadows. Goes way beyond whose in the white house. This. We have no self made Presidents. If you’re a President, it’s because very powerful people decided you can. 1
teef Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: The biggie question imo is why anything involving Epstein was hidden/redacted/confidential to begin with, outside of the victims involved. As for Trump, the flip side of the argument is why he would demand release of the files if he knew he was in them. Some people are just above the law. he certainly wouldn't have approached it the way he did if he knew he was in them. this is certainly bigger than just trump. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 13 minutes ago, muppy said: while I know the President has such immunity the thought of it protecting someone involved in this makes me sick to my stomach. for real. The immunity question aside, I think the reality is that sort of thing is not at all uncommon. 3 minutes ago, teef said: he certainly wouldn't have approached it the way he did if he knew he was in them. this is certainly bigger than just trump. Which brings me back around to maybe anything that may have been there is long gone, deep sixxed by whomever for whatever reason. Intelligence community? Or, maybe there isn’t/wasn’t all that much in there to begin with.
All_Pro_Bills Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 18 minutes ago, wnyguy said: I don't think he's protecting someone involved in this, think of someone who is closer to him than that. Someone or something? Israel.
muppy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: The immunity question aside, I think the reality is that sort of thing is not at all uncommon. Which brings me back around to maybe anything that may have been there is long gone, deep sixxed by whomever for whatever reason. Intelligence community? Or, maybe there isn’t/wasn’t all that much in there to begin with. it doesn't explain the Pivot though Leo. Why so much reluctance to releasing them now when not before? It reads very self serving to me. But as far as pedophilia being common No question. But we are speaking of the evangelical Rights supported candidate and POTUS. I don't have to tell you how much smoke there is around him. It sure smells like fire to me. He is who he is. "By a preponderance of the evidence" show me the FILES. And I have thought about the fact maybe the files arent as damaging to he and is allegedly possibly so. Or have been tampered with. SMH why the pivot then though?
4th&long Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, B-Man said: I honestly spit my coffee out Teef. . . . . . LOL Meanwhile: "Looks terrible — until you learn that [VICTIM] is the late Virginia Giuffre, who had worked for Trump before she fell into Epstein’s clutches, and had publicly said time and again that the future president never misbehaved in the least toward her." Writes the Editorial Board of the New York Post, in "Epstein emails: The Dems and their lapdogs with laptops cry Wolff again." What an incredibly sleazy move, redacting the name Virginia Giuffre, as if it were to protect her, when her name has already been public, she wrote a book to get her story out, she's told us she believed Trump did nothing wrong, and she's no longer alive. It's plainly and deliberately deceptive, and it's stupid too, because the name was going to come out, as it did in less than one day. Such an idiotic distraction. I'm happy to look at any new evidence about the Epstein story, but I don't want to waste my time on manipulations like this. I refuse to read the NYT article, "Michael Wolff, Chronicler of Elites, Provided Epstein With Advice on Trump/Mr. Wolff was enough of an insider to provide advice to Jeffrey Epstein on how to handle his dealings with Donald J. Trump." What does "enough of an insider" even mean?? Enough of a Trump hater? I made that a gift link, in case you want to figure out how straight the NYT is playing it. Posted by Ann Althouse https://althouse.blogspot.com/2025/11/looks-terrible-until-you-learn-that.html https://nypost.com/2025/11/12/opinion/epstein-emails-the-dems-and-their-lapdogs-with-laptops-cry-wolff-again/ https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/business/media/michael-wolff-epstein-trump-emails.html?unlocked_article_code=1.008.4eL_.QbCvCRrLOMS9&smid=url-share Still protecting pedos, just like at church. Edited 3 hours ago by 4th&long
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, muppy said: it doesn't explain the Pivot though Leo. Why so much reluctance to releasing them now when not before? It reads very self serving to me. Sorry Mup, but you and I are on different ends of the argument and that’s unlikely to change. Common sense tells me that Trump doesn’t push for the release of files he would know he would be in. If he’s in them, he lays low and people move on. Additionally, given the scorched earth policy undertaken by the Dems v Trump under the Biden years, I assume if he’s in the files, it’s released. With fanfare. Unless of course Harris, Biden, Obama et al are in there too. 3 minutes ago, muppy said: But as far as pedophilia being common No question. But we are speaking of the evangelical Rights supported candidate and POTUS. I don't have to tell you how much smoke there is around him. It sure smells like fire to me. He is who he is. Nope, I wasn’t talking about that. I was talking about powerful people corrupting/leveraging/conspiring for power/politics/gain. If US Senator X son is involved in bid rigging or money laundering, President Y and/or US Senator Z assists in burying the story and favors are owed. As for predators generally, Mup, I’d point out that one of the faces of the American Left during the most recent election was WJ Clinton, who actively settled with a woman who accused him of violent sexual assault. This after #metoo. That ain’t smoke, that’s a fire burning for a couple decades and a good portion of the country thought it wise to put his enabling spouse in the WH. That’s before even mentioning interns. I guess we get what we get. 3 minutes ago, muppy said: "By a preponderance of the evidence" show me the FILES. And I have thought about the fact maybe the files arent as damaging to he and is allegedly possibly so. Or have been tampered with. SMH We agree this is a concern. If it happened, we’ll never know. 3 minutes ago, muppy said: why the pivot then though? Fear? 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 3 hours ago Author Posted 3 hours ago 26 minutes ago, muppy said: it doesn't explain the Pivot though Leo. Why so much reluctance to releasing them now when not before? It reads very self serving to me. But as far as pedophilia being common No question. But we are speaking of the evangelical Rights supported candidate and POTUS. I don't have to tell you how much smoke there is around him. It sure smells like fire to me. He is who he is. "By a preponderance of the evidence" show me the FILES. And I have thought about the fact maybe the files arent as damaging to he and is allegedly possibly so. Or have been tampered with. SMH why the pivot then though? Not to mention Trump is aiding and comforting Maxwell, the convicted sex trafficker. I mean, why? Smoke to fire
SCBills Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, muppy said: it doesn't explain the Pivot though Leo. Why so much reluctance to releasing them now when not before? It reads very self serving to me. But as far as pedophilia being common No question. But we are speaking of the evangelical Rights supported candidate and POTUS. I don't have to tell you how much smoke there is around him. It sure smells like fire to me. He is who he is. "By a preponderance of the evidence" show me the FILES. And I have thought about the fact maybe the files arent as damaging to he and is allegedly possibly so. Or have been tampered with. SMH why the pivot then though? You’re never going to understand the question you’re asking if you can’t stop obsessing about Trump. Maybe there’s not much in there aside from a few creeps and once these girls aged out, they were given to his friends. Gross, but not illegal once of age. Maybe it’s goes so far as our intelligence agencies involved with and/or foreign intelligence. Or maybe there’s lots of people named as running in his circles and once released their names are falsely destroyed in the court of public opinion like Alan Dershowitz. What seems likely is Trump thought he could manage this once in office - maybe release parts to satisfy the populace but leave his references out of it (which so far are all nothingburgers) but now when in, he’s either lost control of it due to joint efforts on the right and left or has been warned by very powerful people not to relase it. Hes not the only one to fight this. The last President did the same thing. Why? To answer that question, you have to be willing to stop obsessing about Trump. Otherwise you’ll only come to one conclusion… and if Biden didn’t release anything damning on Trump, you’re likely going to end up wrong. 1
muppy Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, SCBills said: You’re never going to understand the question you’re asking if you can’t stop obsessing about Trump. Maybe there’s not much in there aside from a few creeps and once these girls aged out, they were given to his friends. Gross, but not illegal once of age. Maybe it’s goes so far as our intelligence agencies involved with and/or foreign intelligence. Or maybe there’s lots of people named as running in his circles and once released their names are falsely destroyed in the court of public opinion like Alan Dershowitz. What seems likely is Trump thought he could manage this once in office - maybe release parts to satisfy the populace but leave his references out of it (which so far are all nothingburgers) but now when in, he’s either lost control of it due to joint efforts on the right and left or has been warned by very powerful people not to relase it. Hes not the only one to fight this. The last President did the same thing. Why? To answer that question, you have to be willing to stop obsessing about Trump. Otherwise you’ll only come to one conclusion… and if Biden didn’t release anything damning on Trump, you’re likely going to end up wrong. who says Im obsessing over Donald Trump? I call him Naranja because of that awful orange hue makeup he uses. I am a concerned citizen. and an American who yes doesn't agree with him politically. I think he is a con, a consummate liar and cheat , a man convicted of sex crimes a person who is supposed to be a man of God. I don't see the fruit I've written about this before. I like everyone here have one voice one vote one opinion. God will ultimately judge him not me. Thank you for the respectful dialogue. 1 hour ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Not to mention Trump is aiding and comforting Maxwell, the convicted sex trafficker. I mean, why? Smoke to fire this to me is a logical conclusion. Coddle a woman like her? WHY?
Pokebball Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 22 hours ago, 4th&long said: Trump and Maga are scum. Their time is coming. yeah the hell with the victims
4th&long Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: What the hell, man These jack asses think that makes it better? This country is in the toilet. 3 hours ago, wnyguy said: I don't think he's protecting someone involved in this, think of someone who is closer to him than that. Trump only cares about one person, himself! These people will say anything to direct people away from Trump and to distract.
Pokebball Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Someone or something? Israel. It's worldwide
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 3 minutes ago Posted 3 minutes ago 1 hour ago, muppy said: who says Im obsessing over Donald Trump? I call him Naranja because of that awful orange hue makeup he uses. I am a concerned citizen. and an American who yes doesn't agree with him politically. I think he is a con, a consummate liar and cheat , a man convicted of sex crimes a person who is supposed to be a man of God. I don't see the fruit I've written about this before. I like everyone here have one voice one vote one opinion. God will ultimately judge him not me. Thank you for the respectful dialogue. this to me is a logical conclusion. Coddle a woman like her? WHY? Muppinator….he was not convicted of sex crimes. He lost a civil case. There is a difference, and it’s substantial.
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