Game week thread - Bills at Dolphins

[Sierra Foothills]

 

14 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Here's your factoid of the week.

 

If we beat the Dolphins, the all time record between us and Miami improves to 62-62-1. We'll have officially erased "0 for the 70s".

 

Yes, that's been mentioned.

 

On 11/3/2025 at 3:30 PM, eball said:

This game has more significance than many realize…with a win the Bills will finally even their all-time W/L record vs. the Fish (regular season and playoffs) — that’s saying something given our 0-20 stint in the 70s.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

That’s fine but let’s see if this recipe finally works in the playoffs when it actually matters. Would be nice to stretch the field with someone other than an often injured TE

Did the recipe of having a #1 WR in Diggs work in the playoffs for a few us?

10 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The Bills are the #1 ranked offense in the NFL. I mean at some point people just have to accept they can be good in ways that they don't agree with and score a crap ton of points without having to throw 50 yard bombs.

Narratives are strong.  
We broke our franchise record in points last year but our offense sucked.

[NeverOutNick]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Did the recipe of having a #1 WR in Diggs work in the playoffs for a few us?

Narratives are strong.  
We broke our franchise record in points last year but our offense sucked.

You’re missing the point. Stefon Diggs was becoming a cancer and didn’t buy into the everybody eats philosophy, but just because everybody eats doesn’t mean the people eating have to suck lol. We can have both great talent and philosophy, but choose not to. Imagine this team right now with Troy Franklin instead of Dwayne Carter and Tory Horton instead of Dorian Strong. We’d be able to stretch the field spread the ball around with a plethora of real weapons. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

You’re missing the point. Stefon Diggs was becoming a cancer and didn’t buy into the everybody eats philosophy, but just because everybody eats doesn’t mean the people eating have to suck lol. We can have both great talent and philosophy, but choose not to. Imagine this team right now with Troy Franklin instead of Dwayne Carter and Tory Horton instead of Dorian Strong. We’d be able to stretch the field spread the ball around with a plethora of real weapons. 

So scoring a franchise record amount of points last year and having the #1 offense so far this year is a strong indication that our offense isn’t good?  
Its so bad we need more help or we will continue to suck?  Is that the point you are making?

[Nihilarian]

With so many clamoring for a WR that can get separation, to get open to catch deep passes to be a difference maker on offense. Now, someone tell me why the Bengals had Ja'Marr Chase and then paid big money to another top WR in Tee Higgin's. Which has basically kept them from upgrading their defense and offensive line. The latter has kept their QB nearly always injured and a big reason why the team is 3-5.

 

The Seahawks have a top #1 WR in Jaxon Smith-Njibja who leads the NFL with 948 yards. Yet, they went out and obtained WR Rashid Shaheed who is the 24th leading receiver in yards so far. The Steelers are paying 30 mill to DK Metcalf and yet wanted to bring in another WR like Shaheed.  The Eagles have WRs DeVonta Smith and AJ Brown along with RB Saquon Barkley. 

 

Seems like it doesn't stop with one number wideout. The current Buffalo Bills cap space doesn't allow them to pay for one star #1 WR let alone two. Should they abandon the current scheme and follow the lead of the Bengals?

 

Currently the Buffalo Bills are #1 in yards, #3 in points scored offense overall in the league, #1 in rush attempts, #1 in rush yards, #2 in rush TDs and #4 in rush yards per attempt. Buffalo is no longer top 5-10 in passing and because they are more run centric they don't turn the ball over as often. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm happy the Bills put so many draft picks into the defense. Mad max, Deone Walker, Jordan Hancock and we have yet to see what TJ Sanders, Landon Jackson bring. Cole Bishop is a steely-eyed beast man. 

[finn]

9 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think the bengals are the cautionary tale of going too far the opposite way of what the bills have done.  The oline and defense are consistently garbage even in the regular season.  Not even sure they’re a playoff team with burrow and even if they are he takes so many damn hits all year long that it’s a miracle he’s even available week to week 

Good point. I should be careful what I wish for. It's easy to look at Sanders, Jackson, and Carter and dream about how those picks could have been star receivers, but that's not how it works in the real world. They haven't worked out yet, but a) they could still; b) he did hit on Bosa, Hoecht, Walker, and maybe Obi-Wan; and b) there's no saying for sure one or more WRs after the first round or via free agency or even trade would have been better, except in hindsight, which is B.S. No, you want balance, for sure. I do think Beane is doing a good job overall. He's probably doing better than all but a handful of GMs.

 

Of course, those GMs run the Eagles, KC, SF, and Baltimore, so there's that. (Not looking for an argument on this one, btw.)

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So scoring a franchise record amount of points last year and having the #1 offense so far this year is a strong indication that our offense isn’t good?  
It’s so bad we need more help or we will continue to suck?  Is that the point you are making?

I have to believe you’re just being sarcastic because no way you can feel comfortable going into the playoffs again with this crop of wide receivers. You have to see that when we play elite teams and it’s actually playoff time the coaching staffs that are better than ours will box us up because there is no threat downfield and no one that can separate or even come down with a clutch catch. I love what James Cook has become for us and Shakir is always a reliable and I’m hopeful. Kincaid keeps getting better but do you really trust anyone else? Do you really think that adding better weapons would be a bad thing? Why stay stagnant? Is it because our arrogant GM wants to plant his flag on “We don’t need more talent at wide receiver”? I really don’t understand how anyone would poo poo the idea of getting better weapons for Josh regardless of all the propped up stats we are seeing early due to the line of scrimmage yards after catch plays that are working so far. That’s not gonna always work. You need guys who can actually run routes, you need guys who can actually stretch the field.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I have to believe you’re just being sarcastic because no way you can feel comfortable going into the playoffs again with this crop of wide receivers. You have to see that when we play elite teams and it’s actually playoff time the coaching staffs that are better than ours will box us up because there is no threat downfield and no one that can separate or even come down with a clutch catch. I love what James Cook has become for us and Shakir is always a reliable and I’m hopeful. Kincaid keeps getting better but do you really trust anyone else? Do you really think that adding better weapons would be a bad thing? Why stay stagnant? Is it because our arrogant GM wants to plant his flag on “We don’t need more talent at wide receiver”? I really don’t understand how anyone would poo poo the idea of getting better weapons for Josh regardless of all the propped up stats we are seeing early due to the line of scrimmage yards after catch plays that are working so far. That’s not gonna always work. You need guys who can actually run routes, you need guys who can actually stretch the field.

Man, you are sounding like this offense can’t score.  
The objective truth is we are scoring this year and last playoffs. But you are saying we didn’t.  That’s crazy.

 

[eball]

16 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

You’re missing the point. Stefon Diggs was becoming a cancer and didn’t buy into the everybody eats philosophy, but just because everybody eats doesn’t mean the people eating have to suck lol. We can have both great talent and philosophy, but choose not to. Imagine this team right now with Troy Franklin instead of Dwayne Carter and Tory Horton instead of Dorian Strong. We’d be able to stretch the field spread the ball around with a plethora of real weapons. 

 

This is such a b.s. narrative, that “stretching the field” is what the Bills need and lack.  No defense plays the Bills in such a way that receivers are going to get free deep.  The Bills must beat teams in the short and intermediate passing game, and they have more than enough competent players to get that done.  This 3-headed TE monster is a nightmare matchup for most defenses, who also have to account for Cook and the running game.  Shakir is a YAC beast.  With Palmer coming back and Josh gaining more trust in Moore, I don’t see the need for hand-wringing over the offense.

 

[NeverOutNick]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Man, you are sounding like this offense can’t score.  
The objective truth is we are scoring this year and last playoffs. But you are saying we didn’t.  That’s crazy.

 

We are very predictable and come playoff time it will show again just like how we ran up the middle with Josh multiple times and it didn’t work, but we kept doing it our last playoff game. Good defensive coordinators will scheme against our limited bag of tricks. Sorry that you don’t see that. 

Edited 1 hour ago by NeverOutNick

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

We are very predictable and come playoff time it will show again just like how we ran up the middle with Josh multiple times and it didn’t work, but we kept doing it our last playoff game. Good defensive coordinators will scheme against our limited bag of tricks. Sorry that you don’t see that. 

Spaqs from KC isn’t a good DC?

What about the 2024 Broncos who were number 1 in sacks with 63?  How did we score 31 against them when we have absolutely nothing on offense?

[NeverOutNick]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Spaqs from KC isn’t a good DC?

What about the 2024 Broncos who were number 1 in sacks with 63?  How did we score 31 against them when we have absolutely nothing on offense?

Have we beat the chiefs in the playoffs yet? Have we gotten to a SB with this staff? Have we done enough to finally do either of those things? I don’t think so but here’s hoping 🙏🏻 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, NeverOutNick said:

Have we beat the chiefs in the playoffs yet? Have we gotten to a SB with this staff? Have we done enough to finally do either of those things? I don’t think so but here’s hoping 🙏🏻 

Was it our offense that couldn’t get past KC?  I mean, that’s what we are talking about right?

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Was it our offense that couldn’t get past KC?  I mean, that’s what we are talking about right?

100% it was. That’s exactly what we’re talking about here. It’s the only part of our team that works come playoff time and it came up short because of predictability and limited play makers. Did 29 points win it for us? Did running up the middle with Josh work for us? Did throwing up a prayer to Kincaid work for us? More legit weapons isn’t a bad thing brother. Sorry that you feel that it is. We can’t depend on our defense to win it for us in the playoffs so let’s invest in the side of the ball that actually works because of our HOF QB and make it less predictable and more dynamic come January. 

[NeverOutNick]

38 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

With so many clamoring for a WR that can get separation, to get open to catch deep passes to be a difference maker on offense. Now, someone tell me why the Bengals had Ja'Marr Chase and then paid big money to another top WR in Tee Higgin's. Which has basically kept them from upgrading their defense and offensive line. The latter has kept their QB nearly always injured and a big reason why the team is 3-5.

 

The Seahawks have a top #1 WR in Jaxon Smith-Njibja who leads the NFL with 948 yards. Yet, they went out and obtained WR Rashid Shaheed who is the 24th leading receiver in yards so far. The Steelers are paying 30 mill to DK Metcalf and yet wanted to bring in another WR like Shaheed.  The Eagles have WRs DeVonta Smith and AJ Brown along with RB Saquon Barkley. 

 

Seems like it doesn't stop with one number wideout. The current Buffalo Bills cap space doesn't allow them to pay for one star #1 WR let alone two. Should they abandon the current scheme and follow the lead of the Bengals?

 

Currently the Buffalo Bills are #1 in yards, #3 in points scored offense overall in the league, #1 in rush attempts, #1 in rush yards, #2 in rush TDs and #4 in rush yards per attempt. Buffalo is no longer top 5-10 in passing and because they are more run centric they don't turn the ball over as often. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm happy the Bills put so many draft picks into the defense. Mad max, Deone Walker, Jordan Hancock and we have yet to see what TJ Sanders, Landon Jackson bring. Cole Bishop is a steely-eyed beast man. 

I know I’m not asking to spend big money on a WR. I’m asking the FO to invest in WRs like he does with the defense. Even last year we had plenty of opportunities to grab guys but chose to trade up for Sanders or draft a 3rd DB in the same draft in Strong. Hopefully both work out long term but why not put at least a little effort in getting cheap options in the draft so our offense can have depth to it and not just the LOS, YAC show it is right now

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

100% it was. That’s exactly what we’re talking about here. It’s the only part of our team that works come playoff time and it came up short because of predictability and limited play makers. Did 29 points win it for us? Did running up the middle with Josh work for us? Did throwing up a prayer to Kincaid work for us? More legit weapons isn’t a bad thing brother. Sorry that you feel that it is. We can’t depend on our defense to win it for us in the playoffs so let’s invest in the side of the ball that actually works because of our HOF QB and make it less predictable and more dynamic come January. 

 

“Its the only thing that works come playoff time but it came up short….”  WTF?

 

100% of the reason why we lost to the Chiefs because of the offense…WOW!

 

30 ppg last year in the playoffs and the offense is the reason we lost.

 

Great argument.

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

“Its the only thing that works come playoff time but it came up short….”  WTF?

 

100% of the reason why we lost to the Chiefs because of the offense…WOW!

 

30 ppg last year in the playoffs and the offense is the reason we lost.

 

Great argument.

 

 

Thank you, you’re finally getting it 😉. Have a blessed day brother I’ve got to work. 

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Thank you, you’re finally getting it 😉. Have a blessed day brother I’ve got to work. 

How in the hell did we score 29 with no talent and predictable offense against the Chiefs?

 

Lets continue this conversation of how the Bills offense was the reason last year that we didn’t make it to the Super Bowl when you’re not working.  Its fascinating.

You are the only one on the planet that will say the Bills offense is the reason why we didn’t go to the Super Bowl last year.

Edited 1 hour ago by Royale with Cheese

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Honestly, I think there is so much to unpack that there are valid arguments for any side you take.

 

We can’t even threaten to stretch the field which is a problem. It’s a problem because the stats and eye test are showing that our Wr can’t get open. 

 

We have a generational Qb who isn’t even in the top ten passing yards.. which is crazy with his talent in my opinion.

 

But, we seem to have incredible balance because Cook is cooking , yet we don’t want to employ him on 3rd down,  our Oline is nasty and some of the young Defensive resourses being thrown into action now have me quite excited for the rest of the season.

 

Like mentioned above though these playoff games are going to come down to one or two plays. At this point I might have more confidence in our D making a big play. 

 

So while I don’t agree that the offense lost the last playoff game, when it came down to a Got to have it moment/play last year .. we failed to execute.

 

Who is our got to have it player on Offense right now when we need to make a 3rd and long in the playoffs?

 

My hope If it comes to that, 

Cook is on the field

Kincaid continues to become  the player we think he should be. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

How in the hell did we score 29 with no talent and predictable offense against the Chiefs?

 

Lets continue this conversation of how the Bills offense was the reason last year that we didn’t make it to the Super Bowl when you’re not working.  Its fascinating.

You are the only one on the planet that will say the Bills offense is the reason why we didn’t go to the Super Bowl last year.

I think a lot of fans just like to look at the last possession of the game and say: "Well we were down by 3 and couldn't score so it's the offenses fault we couldn't win".

 

True in a sense you would like more on the last drive.

But 29 points in arrowhead against that defence should be more than enough to win. Especially when KCs offence was a mess last year and they scored 32 against us