Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

or he’s just a human being with his daily job performance being hyper analyzed by millions and some days are just decently good and not all time great in the history of elite guys 

47 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Palmer played 6 snaps before his injury, Kincaid was out, and we still only managed to keep shakir on the field for 34 out of 57 snaps.  

and cook for less than that. 
 

his top 4 weapons combined for one full player essentially 

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

show the plays lol

 

for example this is second quarter...first down completion to palmer that he gets injured on. like this is what we are asking on offense rn, to fit a ball into this window

 

 

i guess he's supposed to take the checkdown to cook? then compare that w what penix and the falcons were seeing...

Ok. Let’s get into it. Also find it funny you’re asking me to bring receipts when in that screen grab you’re not far off from plenty of poor decisions by Josh. 
 

QTR 1, 6:26, 1st & 10 (7-7)

Josh incomplete to Dawson Knox. 

(Not a bad throw, just impressive breakup by Deablo for ATL. Cook getting wide open in the flat with the only defender having his back to the play, first downs so the safer pass wouldn’t have been bad; Josh is reading that side of the field after all)

 

QTR 1, 6:21, 2nd & 10 (7-7)

Josh right guard for no gain

(Should have thrown the swing pass. Lanes are clogged and if the pass gets by the edge defender it’s blocked pretty well)

 

 

 

QTR 1, 0:20, 1st & 10 (7-14)

Cook left guard for no gain

 

(Run should have been checked to the better side of the box instead of going left. Blocking certainly didn’t help but the matchups to run right before the snap are extremely favorable)

 

 

 

QTR 2, 15:00, 2nd & 10 (7-14)

Josh incomplete to Keon

 

(Plenty of options if you’re including the throw he chose. Knox in the middle. Ty Johnson wide open coming across, only defender who can make the play is tied up with Knox.)

 

 

The immediate play after is a pass to Shakir for 15 yards and a first down, which is funny because the concept is almost identical to the throw before with the exception no RB. Far less time for Josh to throw than the incompletion to Keon too. Very strange. 

 

 

QTR 2, 13:16, 2nd & 8 (7-14)

Josh sacked by Ruke Orhorhoro

 

 

QTR 2, 12:42, 3rd & 8 (7-14)

Josh sacked by DeAundre Alford for -15. 
 

 

For the 2 sacks, if you can’t see the issue then I don’t know what to tell you. Especially the 3rd down one. 
 

 

See plenty of people crying and screaming there’s no one open. These screenshots are 2 drives. Plenty of people open. Plenty of bad decisions. 
 

Critiquing Josh for having a bad game is treated like a cardinal sin. 
 

Facts are facts. Josh didn’t play great. That doesn’t diminish his talents or capabilities and why people treat pointing out such is absurd. 
 

I can go into more depth to prove to you even more there was some bad decisions that were made by Josh and also that people “weren’t open” again…

[NoSaint]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is not the first time Ullbrich has done that to him. The loss to the Jets a few years back where he ended up hurting his elbow was strikingly similar.

 

It was Josh's worst game definitely since Houston last year. Possibly longer. And if I thought it was just that which caused us to lose Id be relaxed. But as much as I'd love to say "it was just Josh had one his very rare bad days, we are all good" there was a lot more wrong than that.

bingo. These are the same issues from the offseason projections and last week and… 

 

it’s Keon missing a block or an oddball missed route/catch doesn’t worry me but Keon being draped by a defender does in a very different way 

 

fatal flaws vs hiccups happen 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Yes Allen had a bad game

 

But it was because:

1. Our Oline was soundly whipped at the point of attack by the bigger and more physical Falcon D-Line.  I saw one play where Allen was sacked by 3 defenders at the same time.
2. Allen was running for his life the whole game.  Yes he bailed out of the pocket early because he was about to get killed
3. There was no one open in the WR corp.
4. Our 48M dollar running back was on the sidelines for most of the 4th quarter.  Never mind at the start of the 3rd quarter, Bills featured Cook and we drove it right down for a TD.  I thought we were going to do it again on the next possession but strangely Brady went away from Cook.  Keep in mind the falcons stopped scoring too and didn't score again until late in the 4th.
5. Falcons ran the ball right down our throats because of our weak D-Line keeping pressure on our offense

 

So yes Allen had a bad game but its because of points 1-5 above

Edited Thursday at 06:47 PM by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Governor]

23 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

The part I bolded is what Nate Geary and Joe Marino were both saying. They think McDermott and Brady are having Allen throw to him to try to get him going early in the game but they agreed with you that is isn’t working and Coleman isn’t good enough to just throw 50/50 balls to him and he needs to not be on the field as much. 

They were basically saying Palmer, Kincaid, Cook all need to be on the field for more snaps than they are getting. Saying the best receivers are only getting on the field for like 50% of the snaps along with Cook (maybe a little more) but all 3 need to be on the field for as many snaps as possible instead of forcing Coleman and others in there when they aren’t doing anything. 

Like Geary, a lot of us are realizing that a bunch of our players aren’t as good as we thought they were and probably shouldn’t have been kept, paid, or extended.
 

Benford, Rapp, Bernard, etc. 

 

We screwed up bad.

 

Forced throws to Keon are real tired already. Definitely not everyone eats. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Ok. Let’s get into it. Also find it funny you’re asking me to bring receipts when in that screen grab you’re not far off from plenty of poor decisions by Josh. 
 

QTR 1, 6:26, 1st & 10 (7-7)

Josh incomplete to Dawson Knox. 

(Not a bad throw, just impressive breakup by Deablo for ATL. Cook getting wide open in the flat with the only defender having his back to the play, first downs so the safer pass wouldn’t have been bad; Josh is reading that side of the field after all)

 

QTR 1, 6:21, 2nd & 10 (7-7)

Josh right guard for no gain

(Should have thrown the swing pass. Lanes are clogged and if the pass gets by the edge defender it’s blocked pretty well)

 

 

 

QTR 1, 0:20, 1st & 10 (7-14)

Cook left guard for no gain

 

(Run should have been checked to the better side of the box instead of going left. Blocking certainly didn’t help but the matchups to run right before the snap are extremely favorable)

 

 

 

QTR 2, 15:00, 2nd & 10 (7-14)

Josh incomplete to Keon

 

(Plenty of options if you’re including the throw he chose. Knox in the middle. Ty Johnson wide open coming across, only defender who can make the play is tied up with Knox.)

 

 

The immediate play after is a pass to Shakir for 15 yards and a first down, which is funny because the concept is almost identical to the throw before with the exception no RB. Far less time for Josh to throw than the incompletion to Keon too. Very strange. 

 

 

QTR 2, 13:16, 2nd & 8 (7-14)

Josh sacked by Ruke Orhorhoro

 

 

QTR 2, 12:42, 3rd & 8 (7-14)

Josh sacked by DeAundre Alford for -15. 
 

 

For the 2 sacks, if you can’t see the issue then I don’t know what to tell you. Especially the 3rd down one. 
 

 

See plenty of people crying and screaming there’s no one open. These screenshots are 2 drives. Plenty of people open. Plenty of bad decisions. 
 

Critiquing Josh for having a bad game is treated like a cardinal sin. 
 

Facts are facts. Josh didn’t play great. That doesn’t diminish his talents or capabilities and why people treat pointing out such is absurd. 
 

I can go into more depth to prove to you even more there was some bad decisions that were made by Josh and also that people “weren’t open” again…

Ty

 

We see it very much the same tbh

 

The wheel to Cook- I have no idea why he didn't throw it. That's the design, they get the LB match, he even widens Cook presnap to ID the coverage

 

Shot to Coleman- that was predetermined. You can blame Allen or Brady for that take your pick but he never comes off him and that ball is always going there

 

Run checks I'm not going to critique because I don't know the rules as to what look triggers it, maybe you do. I doubt it

[Peace Frog]

Josh has not played great his last two games.  But for practically this entire season, so far, our defense, the vaunted Legion of Room, has looked like complete arse. Basically, they're a bad defense that makes the occasional good play and the rare great play.  It's quite possible, Josh is losing his desire to 'carry the team' again and I can't blame him one bit.  His playoffs stats back it up, too. It's constantly the defense that let's this team down, even when Josh is being Superman. I wouldn't be surprised if his wife has been whispering in his ear to not kill himself trying to get this team its first Lombardi. He said so himself, in an interview I watched before Monday night's debacle.  I'm afraid we may have Clark Kent for the rest of this season under center.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:56 PM by Peace Frog

[TBBills Fan]

2 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

 For 60 million year, it should not matter

[Sojourner]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Ty

 

We see it very much the same tbh

 

The wheel to Cook- I have no idea why he didn't throw it. That's the design, they get the LB match, he even widens Cook presnap to ID the coverage

 

Shot to Coleman- that was predetermined. You can blame Allen or Brady for that take your pick but he never comes off him and that ball is always going there

 

Run checks I'm not going to critique because I don't know the rules as to what look triggers it, maybe you do. I doubt it

They are all bad decisions by Josh man. There’s the receipts. That is back to back drives early in the game there was plenty more I can assure you. 
 

I don’t know what to tell you other than Josh was not good. 
 

Plenty of guys getting open so that excuse can go out the window. 
 

It’s looking more and more like Josh is back to his initial read and sticking with it; like you said… predetermined. 
 

If Josh Allen isn’t able to check runs, especially when you have box alignment like that then that’s a problem. Especially as he just secured an MVP accolade. We were allowed to run check during varsity football man lol…

Edited Thursday at 06:54 PM by Sojourner

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

 

this was brought up by another analysist, I think Colin Cowherd or a local guy here in PGH, basically that JAs body language is he is tired of having to do everything every game.  This team is at best 1-5 without him.  

[Casey D]

3 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Josh has not played great his last two games.  But for practically this entire season, so far, our defense, the vaunted Legion of Room, has looked like complete arse. Basically, they're a bad defense that makes the occasional good play and the rare great play.  It's quite possible, Josh is losing his desire to 'carry the team' again and I can't blame him one bit.  His playoffs stats back it up, too. It's constantly the defense that let's this team down, even when Josh is being Superman. I wouldn't be surprised if his wife has been whispering in his ear to not kill himself trying to get this team its first Lombardi. He said so himself, in an interview I watched before Monday night's debacle.  I'm afraid we may have Clark Kent for the rest of this season under center.

Wow, that's a lot of projection and speculation you got there.

[Dillenger4]

2 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

I said this after the Falcons loss too and people wanted my head. LOL.

Josh, and all the rumours out there about him wanting to go to san Fran just might be more of a reality than we want to admit. He has lost interest/fire.

We will see. But if Carolina beats us this thing will explode.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, Sojourner said:

They are all bad decisions by Josh man. There’s the receipts. That is back to back drives early in the game there was plenty more I can assure you. 
 

I don’t know what to tell you other than Josh was not good. 
 

Plenty of guys getting open so that excuse can go out the window. 
 

It’s looking more and more like Josh is back to his initial read and sticking with it; like you said… predetermined. 
 

If Josh Allen isn’t able to check runs, especially when you have box alignment like that then that’s a problem. Especially as he just secured an MVP accolade. 

 

was not a great game by JA, but I'm not sure where "plenty of guys open" is coming from.  It could be true.  I know the announcers were saying the WRs had zero separation multiple times.  

[TBBills Fan]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

this was brought up by another analysist, I think Colin Cowherd or a local guy here in PGH, basically that JAs body language is he is tired of having to do everything every game.  This team is at best 1-5 without him.  

If that is the case why is bailing on clean pockets?  Why does is he not taking the easy buckets?

 

Does he have superman PTSD? Cause he has been bailing early 

[Casey D]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

this was brought up by another analysist, I think Colin Cowherd or a local guy here in PGH, basically that JAs body language is he is tired of having to do everything every game.  This team is at best 1-5 without him.  

So now Josh is a quitter.  I don't think so.  He's too competitive to do the BS you spew.

[RyanC883]

Just now, Dillenger4 said:

I said this after the Falcons loss too and people wanted my head. LOL.

Josh, and all the rumours out there about him wanting to go to san Fran just might be more of a reality than we want to admit. He has lost interest/fire.

We will see. But if Carolina beats us this thing will explode.

 

When your roster is likely a bottom 5 and your D is letting medicore QBs lead long drives on it, you have a GM who thinks a bunch of WR JAGs are sufficient, and an OC who likes to continue to handoff to a WR on third and short, yeah, can't blame him for not being 110% each play.  

[Sojourner]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

was not a great game by JA, but I'm not sure where "plenty of guys open" is coming from.  It could be true.  I know the announcers were saying the WRs had zero separation multiple times.  

Lol. There’s screenshots above. Unless I’ve just used AI to generate them? 
 

Check the all-22 yourself. 
 

You aren’t going to have guys open every single play of the game. Let alone multiple guys. Sometimes it’s only one and the QB has to find him. Every screen shot above (with the exception of the run play) there is a receiver open… again. Every. Single. Screen shot. 

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, Casey D said:

So now Josh is a quitter.  I don't think so.  He's too competitive to do the BS you spew.

 

I'm not saying it, I'm saying analysts saw it.  Does not make him a quitter to be frusturated.  

1 minute ago, Sojourner said:

Lol. There’s screenshots above. Unless I’ve just used AI to generate them? 
 

Check the all-22 yourself. 
 

You aren’t going to have guys open every single play of the game. Let alone multiple guys. Sometimes it’s only one and the QB has to find him. Every screen shot above (with the exception of the run play) there is a receiver open… again. Every. Single. Screen shot. 

 

a lot of the sack screenshots, the WR is open, but that's at the time of the sack.  When the pocket is collapsing and right before is when the WR needs to be open, a lot of those sacks he held onto the ball for a long time, and the analysist comments were that no one was open.  

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

 

For the 2 sacks, if you can’t see the issue then I don’t know what to tell you. Especially the 3rd down one. 

i mean one of the sacks you can see what happens, right? shakir at the top is open but he can't get to him because of the weakside blitz

 

so i guess we can blame a bad protection call there, sure. can we also talk about Shavers and Coleman basically running into each other on the crossers underneath which appear to be his second read? or do we just want to say bad QB play?

[Dillenger4]

4 minutes ago, Casey D said:

So now Josh is a quitter.  I don't think so.  He's too competitive to do the BS you spew.

He's not a "quitter" but he sure is frustrated. To the point of sulking which he does. It's not good. He played putrid - in fact I think he's had a mediocre season at best overall. He knows it too. But without any help from our D, and our opposition has figured us out, Josh is very frustrated. And it shows. If you don't see it... get checked.