Keon WTF?

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’d probably have Stevie Johnson ahead of Evans as well. Evans, at his best, was a better WR but feel like Stevie had a better career here. Can you even imagine how good he would be with Josh. That dude just got open and often it was unconventional. Josh would be running around and Johnson would shake free for 25. 
 

Wrs of the last 30 years:

1. Diggs

2. Moulds

3. Stevie

4. Evans

5. Beasley

6. Price

7. Brown

8. Gabe

9. Sammy

10. Shakir

It would look something like this with Robert Woods and Josh Reed as the next 2. 

I do think that when Sammy was on, he was a far more talented player than almost everyone here. But he often wasn't on because of injuries. He was a disappointment, to be sure, but I would bet a fair amount of money that just about every team in the league had him rated as high as the Bills did. He was ridiculously talented (physically) and ridiculously productive in college. His 2015 season -- over 1,000 yards, 9 TDs, and 17.5 ypr in just 13 games -- has only been matched by Diggs and Moulds. Moulds's 1998 season is probably the best WR season in team history, and he was awesome the next year too (although he missed time due to a hamstring). Diggs's 2020 season is up there too.

 

Interest thing about Sammy: he bounced around a bit afterward, but the coaches that went after him and paid him--McVay, Reid, Harbaugh, Lafleur--all know offensive talent and the passing game. Just a disappointing career.   

 

Final interesting fact about Watkins: he played in 8 playoff games, and his numbers extrapolated to 17 games turn out to be 57 catches for 1,088 yards (19.0 ypr), 2 TDs, and 45 catches for first downs.

Edited 14 hours ago by dave mcbride

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I do think that when Sammy was on, he was a far more talented player than almost everyone here. But he often wasn't on because of injuries. He was a disappointment, to be sure, but I would bet a fair amount of money that just about every team in the league had him rated as high as the Bills did. He was ridiculously talented (physically) and ridiculously productive in college. His 2015 season -- over 1,000 yards, 9 TDs, and 17.5 ypr in just 13 games -- has only been matched by Diggs and Moulds. Moulds's 1998 season is probably the best WR season in team history, and he was awesome the next year too (although he missed time due to a hamstring). Diggs's 2020 season is up there too.

 

Interest thing about Sammy: he bounced around a bit afterward, but the coaches that went after him and paid him--McVay, Reid, Harbaugh, Lafleur--all know offensive talent and the passing game. Just a disappointing career.   

 

Final interesting fact about Watkins: he played in 8 playoff games, and his numbers extrapolated to 17 games turn out to be 57 catches for 1,088 yards (19.0 ypr), 2 TDs, and 45 catches for first downs.

Yeah, Sammy was the toughest placement for me. In terms of talent, he belongs at the top (or near it). He was hurt and lazy when he was here. He had flashes of brilliance but nowhere near what his talent showed. Go back and watch the Clemson/OSU Orange Bowl from his last year. He was unstoppable 16/227/2!!

 

 

[Cash]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Please do not ever use Keon and Moulds in the same sentence.  Moulds showed many signs of breaking out before his third year.  Moulds and Lee Evan’s are the best Bills WR the past 30 years 

What examples do you have in mind? Not trying to be a jerk, but that doesn’t line up with my recollection at all. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Cash said:

What examples do you have in mind? Not trying to be a jerk, but that doesn’t line up with my recollection at all. 

Kickoff returns for TDs.  You saw glimpses of speed and power.  He was disappointing his first two years, then became one of the greatest WRs of Bills History.
 

 If only we could have prime Moulds playing with prime Josh.

The greatest Bills WR playing with ***** QBs.  Now we have the Bills greatest QB playing with ***** WRs.  

[Cash]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Kickoff returns for TDs.  You saw glimpses of speed and power.  He was disappointing his first two years, then became one of the greatest WRs of Bills History.
 

 If only we could have prime Moulds playing with prime Josh.

The greatest Bills WR playing with ***** QBs.  Now we have the Bills greatest QB playing with ***** WRs.  

Fair point with the kick returns! I was thinking WR specific and initially drew a blank. I still can’t think of anything impressive Moulds showed from scrimmage those first two years, but it was a while ago obviously. 

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Kickoff returns for TDs.  You saw glimpses of speed and power.  He was disappointing his first two years, then became one of the greatest WRs of Bills History.
 

 If only we could have prime Moulds playing with prime Josh.

The greatest Bills WR playing with ***** QBs.  Now we have the Bills greatest QB playing with ***** WRs.  

Does Keon have the same skill set?  Maybe he needs couple years?  I have no clue about Mould’s speed. He was my favorite player for years. 

[dave mcbride]

7 hours ago, Cash said:

What examples do you have in mind? Not trying to be a jerk, but that doesn’t line up with my recollection at all. 

Moulds sucked in his first two seasons and couldn’t run a route with consistency to save his life. This isn’t actually debatable.

14 hours ago, Pete said:

Please do not ever use Keon and Moulds in the same sentence.  Moulds showed many signs of breaking out before his third year.  Moulds and Lee Evan’s are the best Bills WR the past 30 years 

No he didn’t. He was terrible in year 2 and I am old enough to remember every game.

[uticaclub]

25 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Moulds sucked in his first two seasons and couldn’t run a route with consistency to save his life. This isn’t actually debatable.

No he didn’t. He was terrible in year 2 and I am old enough to remember every game.

 

Moulds was a non-factor the first two years & didn't break out until his third year. However, the NFL in 1996 was completely different from what it is now. Teams were much more patient with draft picks. Also, Moulds played behind a Hall of famer, while Coleman was just supposed to be the man.

Edited 4 hours ago by uticaclub

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

 

Moulds was a non-factor the first two years & didn't break out until his third year. However, the NFL in 1996 was completely different from what it is now. Teams were much more patient with draft picks. Also, Moulds played behind a Hall of famer, while Coleman was just supposed to be the man.

 he was getting out snapped by Quinn early

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716