sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: why was a Samaritan specifically mentioned by nationality/region in the new testament? Great question. First of all, it's a parable, not a true historical story. Samaritans were despised by the Judeans, and not to be dealt with, so this individual made a perfect example. This individual not only saves the guy, he puts him up in a hotel on the road and says he will pay for all expenses. There are two lessons in this parable. The first is the impossibility of ever living up to the standard of the answer to the Samaritan's question, which is "What is required for eternal life," to which Jesus answers, to this Old Testament legal authority, "What do you think," and he answers, "Love God with all your....and Love your neighbor as yourself." The legal authority, then, trying to get out of it, says, "Well, who then is my neighbor?" The point is that such a standard is impossible, and the only way is through the sacrifice which eventually reconnected humanity with God. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 38 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I agree with your overall point. but yes, some of people in the James Jones massacre and the branch davidians knew and wanted out. I don't believe followers of Jesus were/are the same. No one stopped them from leaving or coerced them into joining. he's a loathsome troll. adds nothing ever....
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 42 minutes ago, sherpa said: Remarkably simple question. Have you added anything to this thread? Evidence? Names of 1st documented century folks specifically mentioned in historical documentation. Evidence of the lives of people after this verified life that supports your view? Anything? I derailed the thread in precisely the way that C section hoped it would be derailed... I believe that Jesus would be a huge fan of Alligator Alcatraz... I don't believe that you ever answered C section's question directly... Since you did such a thorough and eloquent job of proving beyond all reasonable doubt that the Jesus of the gospels was in fact historically accurate... I am sure you can answer C section's question equally as well...
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 34 minutes ago, sherpa said: The point is that such a standard is impossible, and the only way is through the sacrifice which eventually reconnected humanity with God. Are you saying that Jesus, an innocent man, needed to be sacrificed for our sins? Is that to say that humans demand the sacrifice of the innocent to preserve the status quo of a morally corrupt society unable to redeem itself through deeds and self-sacrifice? Are you saying that God was satisfied with the death of an innocent man in order to reconnect with humanity?
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 4 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: Are you saying that Jesus, an innocent man, needed to be sacrificed for our sins? Are you saying that God was satisfied with the death of an innocent man in order to reconnect with humanity? I believe that there are hundreds of references in the Old Testament addressing this, which have come true. I am in no position to say what God requires, but I am familiar with what is in the Old Testament regarding what occurred, with undeniable accuracy.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Great question. First of all, it's a parable, not a true historical story. Samaritans were despised by the Judeans, and not to be dealt with, so this individual made a perfect example. This individual not only saves the guy, he puts him up in a hotel on the road and says he will pay for all expenses. There are two lessons in this parable. The first is the impossibility of ever living up to the standard of the answer to the Samaritan's question, which is "What is required for eternal life," to which Jesus answers, to this Old Testament legal authority, "What do you think," and he answers, "Love God with all your....and Love your neighbor as yourself." The legal authority, then, trying to get out of it, says, "Well, who then is my neighbor?" The point is that such a standard is impossible, and the only way is through the sacrifice which eventually reconnected humanity with God. I think it says it is possible. And we meant to do the same even with foreigners and enemies. from AI A traveler, often understood to be Jewish, is attacked by robbers on the road from Jerusalem to Jericho. A Jewish priest and a Levite pass by without helping him. A Samaritan, despite historical animosity between Jews and Samaritans, stops to help the injured man. He bandages his wounds and takes him to an inn for care. Key Themes Compassion: The Samaritan's actions exemplify true neighborly love, showing mercy to someone in need. Inclusivity: The parable challenges social boundaries, emphasizing that anyone can be a neighbor, regardless of ethnic or religious differences. This what I was taught on many Sundays. At a minimum, it shows there were ethnic tensions in the region at the time. Edited August 26 by Joe Ferguson forever
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 28 minutes ago, sherpa said: I believe that there are hundreds of references in the Old Testament addressing this, which have come true. I am in no position to say what God requires, but I am familiar with what is in the Old Testament regarding what occurred, with undeniable accuracy. You are a deep thinker... I can tell...
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 15 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think it says it is possible. And we meant to do the same even with foreigners and enemies. from AI A traveler, often understood to be Jewish, is attacked by robbers on the road from Jerusalem to Jericho. A Jewish priest and a Levite pass by without helping him. A Samaritan, despite historical animosity between Jews and Samaritans, stops to help the injured man. He bandages his wounds and takes him to an inn for care. Key Themes Compassion: The Samaritan's actions exemplify true neighborly love, showing mercy to someone in need. Inclusivity: The parable challenges social boundaries, emphasizing that anyone can be a neighbor, regardless of ethnic or religious differences. This what I was taught on many Sundays.a At a minimum, it shows there were ethnic tensions in the region at the time. Go beyond the obvious, which these parables told by Jesus often do. It is easy to see the lesson of a perceived enemy helping out someone to an impossible level, which the Samaritan does above the priest and the Levit. The depth of the parable is that the moral/legal authority .who asks the question of salvation never gets the lesson, as he indicates by asking who his neighbor is. He is looking for an excuse. Similar to a number of parables, most obvious in the parable of the prodigal son. Most folks see that as a forgiveness lesson, but look at the other brother, who is angry because of perceived getting shorted by the dad. He never gets over it. He never figures that forgiveness is a gift and unburdens people.
The Frankish Reich Posted August 27 Posted August 27 2 hours ago, B-Man said: She did not die instantly Ladies and gentlemen of PPP; your self appointed Voice of Reason. They were righteous prosecutions, and righteous convictions. And obscene pardons.
JDHillFan Posted August 27 Posted August 27 24 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: They were righteous prosecutions, and righteous convictions. And obscene pardons. What would Jesus have thought of the pardons? Ok for those who were repentant?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Go beyond the obvious, which these parables told by Jesus often do. It is easy to see the lesson of a perceived enemy helping out someone to an impossible level, which the Samaritan does above the priest and the Levit. The depth of the parable is that the moral/legal authority .who asks the question of salvation never gets the lesson, as he indicates by asking who his neighbor is. He is looking for an excuse. Similar to a number of parables, most obvious in the parable of the prodigal son. Most folks see that as a forgiveness lesson, but look at the other brother, who is angry because of perceived getting shorted by the dad. He never gets over it. He never figures that forgiveness is a gift and unburdens people. none of which addresses the central theme: That we are expected to care for those in need even if they are from an unfriendly or foreign tribe. Why would you ignore the obvious message? hmmm...yes, people look for excuses to not do the right thing. He's saying that they shouldn't. I think the prodigal son is about redemption and that it's never too late. As far as the good son, he's reassured of his place with his father: ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.’” There's no mention of his anger persisting. Edited August 27 by Joe Ferguson forever
TH3 Posted August 27 Posted August 27 4 hours ago, sherpa said: I'm pretty sure I do, but yet another post with no support. To use the old F-14 quote, Anytime Baby. You are telling us that skin color was irrelevant in ancient history …it’s a modern construct? wtf are you even talking about? At least if I “support” something it’s valid 2 hours ago, Wolfgang said: I derailed the thread in precisely the way that C section hoped it would be derailed... I believe that Jesus would be a huge fan of Alligator Alcatraz... I don't believe that you ever answered C section's question directly... Since you did such a thorough and eloquent job of proving beyond all reasonable doubt that the Jesus of the gospels was in fact historically accurate... I am sure you can answer C section's question equally as well... You should stick to music videos…when you write something it just shows what an angry small person you are 2
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, TH3 said: You are telling us that skin color was irrelevant in ancient history …it’s a modern construct? wtf are you even talking about? At least if I “support” something it’s valid You should stick to music videos…when you write something it just shows what an angry small person you are You sound fully vaccinated... 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Posted August 27 Divine intervention? https://apnews.com/article/florida-immigration-detention-center-desantis-alligator-alcatraz-f36fd04c18635eb7938a9ec26a31e92e
thenorthremembers Posted August 27 Posted August 27 Romans 13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. Jesus forgives sins he doesnt condone them.
nedboy7 Posted August 27 Posted August 27 Intelligent religious people who support Trump are mesmerizing. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 27 Posted August 27 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: Intelligent religious people who support Trump are mesmerizing. Here's Ned to lecture us on the joys of scientology!
nedboy7 Posted August 27 Posted August 27 40 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Here's Ned to lecture us on the joys of scientology! Here is Jesus's boy....
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 27 Posted August 27 35 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Here is Jesus's boy.... Ahhh yes the always reliable msnpc
B-Man Posted August 27 Posted August 27 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: Intelligent religious people who support Trump are mesmerizing. Anything that you cannot understand usually is. (the problem is your biased view of both) .
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