Elam Fairing well in Big D.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, boyst said:

Sure, I get the idea but we should have had a better plan knowing we were releasing Morse after the year - to plan a succession. Like we did w hangartner and wood.

 

 

 

I think the plan was Morse for 2 years though.  

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think the plan was Morse for 2 years though.  

Any competent GM has a plan of 2 + years.

 

I think we here knew Morse would be cut in 23.

 

Having linderbaum play guard for a year or two is fine by me. 

[DrMaxPower]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree with most of your post but the only push back I'd give is I don't mind them double dipping at a position if one of those picks is a day three pick like Benford was.  Trading up for Elam is an example of the danger of having a gaping hole on your team which is where we were with our outside CB position.  Dane Jackson was our best CB at the time we had at the time with White still rehabbing from injury.  It was bad process trading up for Elam created by not adequately addressing the position the last couple of years before that relying on guys like Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson opposite Tre White.  

 

Do you think teams don't go into the draft with holes in their roster? Team usually go into the draft with multiple holes and many potential positions to target round 1.

 

Remember, this was a period when many of the pundits were taking about it being the best roster in the league.

 

The unusual thing was that CB was the only obvious hole. It made their likely targets for round 1 obvious and allowed KC to jump them.

Edited September 18 by DrMaxPower

[Johnny Bravo]

4 hours ago, boyst said:

Any competent GM has a plan of 2 + years.

 

I think we here knew Morse would be cut in 23.

 

Having linderbaum play guard for a year or two is fine by me. 

Do you remember who our starting CBS were slated to be going into that 2022 draft?

 

Tre was coming off his ACL and wouldn’t even play until 1/2 way through the year.  Dane Jackson was there, Siran Neal, Cam Lewis, Nick McCloud, Olijah Griffin, and Tim Harris.

 

Beane would have been unforgivably negligent to not draft a cornerback early-especially that draft which had a lot of highly rated CB prospects.

 

So Elam didn’t work out.  Neither did 1/2 the other picks in the first round.  It happens.  It doesn’t mean Beane stinks or is incompetent.  He picked the wrong guy…just like every other GM has done at some point in their careers (but without all of his success too)

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Do you remember who our starting CBS were slated to be going into that 2022 draft?

 

Tre was coming off his ACL and wouldn’t even play until 1/2 way through the year.  Dane Jackson was there, Siran Neal, Cam Lewis, Nick McCloud, Olijah Griffin, and Tim Harris.

 

Beane would have been unforgivably negligent to not draft a cornerback early-especially that draft which had a lot of highly rated CB prospects.

 

So Elam didn’t work out.  Neither did 1/2 the other picks in the first round.  It happens.  It doesn’t mean Beane stinks or is incompetent.  He picked the wrong guy…just like every other GM has done at some point in their careers (but without all of his success too)

Understood. We could have traded up for McDuffie who had better prospect/pedigree by some standard 

 

Beane said several times we draft Elam based on BPA but it was a need.

 

I would have drafted linderbaum if we stayed. Or McDuffie if we moved up. Or maybe even Breece Hall.

 

Of course, hindsight yano?

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Do you remember who our starting CBS were slated to be going into that 2022 draft?

 

Tre was coming off his ACL and wouldn’t even play until 1/2 way through the year.  Dane Jackson was there, Siran Neal, Cam Lewis, Nick McCloud, Olijah Griffin, and Tim Harris.

 

Beane would have been unforgivably negligent to not draft a cornerback early-especially that draft which had a lot of highly rated CB prospects.

 

So Elam didn’t work out.  Neither did 1/2 the other picks in the first round.  It happens.  It doesn’t mean Beane stinks or is incompetent.  He picked the wrong guy…just like every other GM has done at some point in their careers (but without all of his success too)

This is all the definition of drafting for need btw. Which hey, we did NEED a boundary CB asap. Just like we did this year. 

 

Media master Beano has everyone believing he's coincidentally drafting massive team needs with his first pick as BPA 

[Johnny Bravo]

23 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This is all the definition of drafting for need btw. Which hey, we did NEED a boundary CB asap. Just like we did this year. 

 

Media master Beano has everyone believing he's coincidentally drafting massive team needs with his first pick as BPA 

Not disagreeing that it wasn’t drafting for need.

 

but consider this.  We were 13 seconds from beating the Chiefs and had just signed Von Miller.  We have a pretty gaping hole at CB.  Is it necessarily wrong to draft for need provided that you think the guy can actually play?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

That's pretty frightening when you think about it, that the Bills had a 1st round grade on Elam.  Not sure what traits they liked about him.  Just watching him on the Cowboys the first two weeks of the season, he plays way off his man and looks like he has no confidence.  

Well yea hindsight is powerful lol he was seen as a first rounder by all analysts that I saw and it was seen as a good pick at the time.  Of course that all looks silly now 😂

[BillsfaninChicago]

I have moved on so much I keep thinking you guys are talking about Jason Elam 🦵 🏈 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 hours ago, boyst said:

Any competent GM has a plan of 2 + years.

 

I think we here knew Morse would be cut in 23.

 

Having linderbaum play guard for a year or two is fine by me. 

 

I think the challenge there is that he's 6'2 with short arms, sub 300 lbs, and never played guard in college.   

[FireChans]

14 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Not disagreeing that it wasn’t drafting for need.

 

but consider this.  We were 13 seconds from beating the Chiefs and had just signed Von Miller.  We have a pretty gaping hole at CB.  Is it necessarily wrong to draft for need provided that you think the guy can actually play?

So I totally think there’s an argument for it, sure.

 

I guess that’s how drafting for need kinda works though. You can always justify it. But it ultimately ends up being bad process over the long haul.

[Johnny Bravo]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

So I totally think there’s an argument for it, sure.

 

I guess that’s how drafting for need kinda works though. You can always justify it. But it ultimately ends up being bad process over the long haul.

Sounds like we agree in principle.
 

I think it’s like every other pick and all hinges on if the player drafted is good or bad.

 

I agree that drafting for need only would lead drafting players too soon and therefore lead to more bad  more bad players being drafted.  But with Elam, he was a consensus 1st round pick to most draft experts.  So the Elam pick filled a need, but he wasn’t a reach.