McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We were the 2 seed, they were the 3 seed. Gamblers had more confidence in Bmore than Buffalo, that's why the line was where it was. The line follows the money, nothing else.

 

So as the #2 seed, we had the better roster than the #3 Ravens?  The Bills were the better team?

 

[Gregg]

32 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I think the catch for most NFL teams with Belichick is that he would want control of personnel, and NE's slow decline when he was in charge of personnel proved that he's not very good at the long-term building and managing of a championship roster.  He is a master strategist, a genius at adjusting to unexpected situations, and a motivator, but he's not a particularly good gm type.  He didn't build the great rosters that the Patriots fielded early on in NE's domination alone; he had a couple of GMs who did a lot of the leg work on selecting players, managing the cap etc.   For that reason, I wouldn't want him as the Bills HC.

 

 

 

Just hypothetically speaking what if Beane remained as GM and Bill just focused on coaching. I am surprised he went to college football. He is close to breaking Shula's record as the all-time win's leader as HC. I would think he would want another HC opportunity in the NFL just for that reason alone.

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Just hypothetically speaking what if Beane remained as GM and Bill just focused on coaching. I am surprised he went to college football. He is close to breaking Shula's record as the all-time win's leader as HC. I would think he would want another HC opportunity in the NFL just for that reason alone.

Nobody wanted to give him a job. That's why he went to college football.

[Gregg]

Just now, MJS said:

Nobody wanted to give him a job. That's why he went to college football.

 

Because he wanted control of personnel decisions. He sucked as a GM as the last few years at NE showed. But he is the GOAT HC. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Bills if he wanted to be GM. But if Beane stayed GM and Bill just coached I would take that. His record when he had an elite level QB speaks for itself.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Just hypothetically speaking what if Beane remained as GM and Bill just focused on coaching. I am surprised he went to college football. He is close to breaking Shula's record as the all-time win's leader as HC. I would think he would want another HC opportunity in the NFL just for that reason alone.

 

The Falcons hired Raheem Morris over Belicheck....there's a reason.

 

[Augie]

42 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I think the catch for most NFL teams with Belichick is that he would want control of personnel, and NE's slow decline when he was in charge of personnel proved that he's not very good at the long-term building and managing of a championship roster.  He is a master strategist, a genius at adjusting to unexpected situations, and a motivator, but he's not a particularly good gm type.  He didn't build the great rosters that the Patriots fielded early on in NE's domination alone; he had a couple of GMs who did a lot of the leg work on selecting players, managing the cap etc.   For that reason, I wouldn't want him as the Bills HC.

 

 

 

For reasons not to hire him, I’d have to add that he is an old man and an A-hole. I think Brady was more responsible for the culture. If we are just talking about building culture, I still prefer McD. I hope his in-game management continues to improve so we can put silly talk like hiring Belichick for HC to bed. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Because he wanted control of personnel decisions. He sucked as a GM as the last few years at NE showed. But he is the GOAT HC. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Bills if he wanted to be GM. But if Beane stayed GM and Bill just coached I would take that. His record when he had an elite level QB speaks for itself.

 

Tom Brady is on a different level elite.  Immediately after leaving NE, he won the Super Bowl in Tampa....a team that was 7-9 the year before.

 

[nuklz2594]

tbh...he is basically marty schottenheimer at this point

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said:

tbh...he is basically marty schottenheimer at this point

 

McDermott is the worst playoff coach in NFL history?

[MJS]

14 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Because he wanted control of personnel decisions. He sucked as a GM as the last few years at NE showed. But he is the GOAT HC. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Bills if he wanted to be GM. But if Beane stayed GM and Bill just coached I would take that. His record when he had an elite level QB speaks for itself.

He is old news. There is no evidence that his brand of head coaching works anymore in the league. Legendary coach, but I think without Tom Brady and his shady tactics and cheating, he doesn't offer a lot anymore.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Tom Brady is on a different level elite.  Immediately after leaving NE, he won the Super Bowl in Tampa....a team that was 7-9 the year before.

 

So you’re saying that having an elite QB matters way more to compete for Super Bowls than the coach lol

[Augie]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

So you’re saying that having an elite QB matters way more to compete for Super Bowls than the coach lol

 

I don’t know what he’s saying, but I’m saying QB Brady > Old Man Belichick. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

So you’re saying that having an elite QB matters way more to compete for Super Bowls than the coach lol

 

This is what you got from what I said?

 

There are different levels of elite.  Both Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers were elite....who was the level above?

 

But to respond to your statement, the vast majority of Super Bowls are won by elite franchise QB's.  

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know what he’s saying, but I’m saying QB Brady > Old Man Belichick. 

I didn’t quote you because I don’t believe you are interested in a real discussion outside of “I have faith in McDermott.”

 

good for you but makes discussion useless.

[Mr. WEO]

Tomlin at 5 is a complete joke.  0-5 in playoffs the past 8 seasons. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know what he’s saying, but I’m saying QB Brady > Old Man Belichick. 

 

100%.  

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I didn’t quote you because I don’t believe you are interested in a real discussion outside of “I have faith in McDermott.”

 

good for you but makes discussion useless.

 

No, it’s not that I’m not interested in real discussion. You don’t like that I’m not buying what you are selling. 

 

I don’t have ultimate faith in McD, but I think he’s our best option at this point in time. 

 

Oh, and you did just quote me. 

 

 

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Edited July 2 by Augie

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This is what you got from what I said?

 

There are different levels of elite.  Both Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers were elite....who was the level above?

 

But to respond to your statement, the vast majority of Super Bowls are won by elite franchise QB's.  

I’m assuming you think that BB is also a level above McDermott, no?

 

My question is simply this. If someone considered the greatest coach of all time was largely mediocre and saw his SB window slammed shut after losing his franchise QB, who immediately opened another franchises SB window, why do you assume that would not be the case in Buffalo with a head coaching switch?

 

For simplification, we all agree:

 

Greatest HC of all time + greatest QB of all time = dynasty

 

Greatest HC of all time - greatest QB of all time = mediocre, fired in 3 seasons

 

Do you believe that McD without Josh would do better than Bill without Brady?

[Gregg]

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[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, it’s not that I’m not interested in real discussion. You don’t like that I’m not buying what you are selling. 

 

I don’t have ultimate faith in McD, but I think he’s our best option at this point in time. 

 

Oh, and you did just quote me. 

 

 

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Your last half a dozen posts have boiled down to "I disagree, I have faith in McDermott."

 

Look around. 90% of the posters in this topic disagree. I don't need to "like" or "dislike" it. 

 

I'm not interested in prosetylization. I have my reasons for having next to zero faith in McDermott to get this team to the ultimate goal. And I have laid the evidence out. You can disagree with the evidence or the conclusion. You disagreed with the conclusion 5 pages ago and you can't or won't engage further. What else is there to say? Just quote my posts and write "I disagree" over and over and I just won't respond because you are welcome to disagree and I don't care, respectfully.