McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[dma0034]

On 6/24/2025 at 10:17 PM, Buffalo716 said:

People will cherry pick Sean McDermott's last five playoff losses 

 

And be like oh my God his last five losses he allows 33 points a game 

 

Andy Reid is allowing 31.5 points per game allowed in his last five losses in the playoffs with a healthier defense!

 

These Cherry picked stats are stupid

 

 

 

His Defense has allowed the Chiefs to score their lost points on every Postseason they've played. No need to cherry pick.

 

Josh Allen gives you a top 5 Offense. Teams know they have to score and start playing riskier which is why against average to below average teams our Defense feasts and then against elite Offenses they look lost.

 

As far as the the playoff breaking drought. Need you remember he benched Tyrod for Peterman in that season and won by beating exclusively bad teams. Even then it took the miracle of Andy Dalton to Boyd to backdoor into the playoffs. IMO that season was his best coaching and he has fumbled against Andy Reid in the playoffs. It's like he over thinks himself. There is 0 excuse for 13 seconds. 0

Also he's better than 2 time CotY Kevin Stefanski. Those CotY are jokes. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The point you are missing is that you are discrediting McDermott’s 9 win season because he had several wins against sub par QB’s.  But he also had a subpar QB in Tyrod Taylor.  Taylor was awful and showed it with the next 7 teams he played for.  

The 2017 team was one of the worst rosters in the NFL.  

 

 

I think the bolded is a bit of an exaggeration. It was a mismatched roster in the middle of a tear down with the three most talented guys of the previous few years all gone by then - Sammy, Mario and Gilmore. But it still had LeSean McCoy at running back; Cordy Glenn, Eric Wood and Richie Incognito (plus rookie Dawkins) on the offensive line; Charles Clay at that point was still a serviceable tight end; Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams on the Dline (and Dareus for 6 games - their run D fell off a cliff once they traded him) and then the McDermott 3 of Hyde, Poyer and Tre White in the secondary. They had trash at receiver and linebacker (until rookie Milano got on the field late in the year) agreed, and it was definitely not a top 6 in the AFC roster... it shouldn't "have made the playoffs" in the way I'd argue the 2012, 2014 and 2014 Bills definitely should have. But it was well coached, got a few breaks its way and snuck in. 

 

Now the 2018 roster.... when that oline had fallen apart, the receivers got even worse, Shady and Clay were at the point of decline and Kyle had finally come to the end.... THAT was one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Even as someone who has been critical of Beane I give him some props for his 2019 offseason. They didn't nail all their FA moves but they found some credible receivers and vet offensive linemen who could play in the likes of Beasley, Brown, Spain, Morse, Nsekhe and Feliciano and gave Josh a chance at least to succeed.

[0017]

PFF has 13 seconds to change these ratings or I’ll be pissed…..but seriously use this as motivation and get better! 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

As far as the the playoff breaking drought. Need you remember he benched Tyrod for Peterman in that season and won by beating exclusively bad teams.

 

He won on the road in Kansas City and Atlanta. Both playoff teams. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the bolded is a bit of an exaggeration. It was a mismatched roster in the middle of a tear down with the three most talented guys of the previous few years all gone by then - Sammy, Mario and Gilmore. But it still had LeSean McCoy at running back; Cordy Glenn, Eric Wood and Richie Incognito (plus rookie Dawkins) on the offensive line; Charles Clay at that point was still a serviceable tight end; Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams on the Dline (and Dareus for 6 games - their run D fell off a cliff once they traded him) and then the McDermott 3 of Hyde, Poyer and Tre White in the secondary. They had trash at receiver and linebacker (until rookie Milano got on the field late in the year) agreed, and it was definitely not a top 6 in the AFC roster... it shouldn't "have made the playoffs" in the way I'd argue the 2012, 2014 and 2014 Bills definitely should have. But it was well coached, got a few breaks its way and snuck in. 

 

Now the 2018 roster.... when that oline had fallen apart, the receivers got even worse, Shady and Clay were at the point of decline and Kyle had finally come to the end.... THAT was one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Even as someone who has been critical of Beane I give him some props for his 2019 offseason. They didn't nail all their FA moves but they found some credible receivers and vet offensive linemen who could play in the likes of Beasley, Brown, Spain, Morse, Nsekhe and Feliciano and gave Josh a chance at least to succeed.

We had pieces but overall a bad roster.

Our starting offense or major contributors were:

 Tyrod Taylor.  Benched after 2 games with the Browns.  Back up since.

 

LeSean McCoy good for us.

 

Dionte Thompson - Did he ever make another NFL roster?

Charles Clay - FA disappointment and out of the NFL one year later.

Kelvin Benjamin playing the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in a future Ghostbusters remake.

Jordan Matthews - Fell off a cliff after the Eagles.

 

Zay Jones probably always naked.

 

Nick O’Leary - out of the NFL 2 years later?

We had good pieces in Incognito, Hughes, Hyde, White and Poyer….

 

But we also had Ramon Humber, Preston Brown, Jordan Mills, Adolphus Washington and Jon Miller starting…don’t forget the above.

 

Which offensive roster was worse that year?

[Nihilarian]

McD is the #2 HC in wins over the last five seasons and only Andy Reid has more. 

 

Men like Mike Tomlin made their glory inheriting a QB in big Ben and the guy he replaced made it to the playoffs and SB with QBs like Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell.

 

Lions HC Dan Campbell has yet to even make it to a SB along with Browns HC Kevin Stefanski. 

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We had pieces but overall a bad roster.

Our starting offense or major contributors were:

 Tyrod Taylor.  Benched after 2 games with the Browns.  Back up since.

 

LeSean McCoy good for us.

 

Dionte Thompson - Did he ever make another NFL roster?

Charles Clay - FA disappointment and out of the NFL one year later.

Kelvin Benjamin playing the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in a future Ghostbusters remake.

Jordan Matthews - Fell off a cliff after the Eagles.

 

Zay Jones probably always naked.

 

Nick O’Leary - out of the NFL 2 years later?

We had good pieces in Incognito, Hughes, Hyde, White and Poyer….

 

But we also had Ramon Humber, Preston Brown, Jordan Mills, Adolphus Washington and Jon Miller starting…don’t forget the above.

 

Which offensive roster was worse that year?

 

Yea those pieces are enough to demonstrate it wasn't one of the worst rosters in the NFL. It was a roster in flux in the middle of a tear down that shouldn't have made the playoffs and did - as distinct from some of those others rosters I mention - 2012, 2014, 2015 - which should have made the playoffs and didn't. 

 

Worse teams at the time it would be the usual suspects - Browns, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins, Bears, Redskins... the 49ers were terrible at that point as well they'd just hired Kyle and John Lynch after two one and done coaches.

 

If you wanna say the Bills were 22nd or 23rd or something, fine. 

[Nihilarian]

I keep reading that QB Josh Allen is a big reason as to why this current team is so good and yet during the 2023 season the Buffalo Bills were 6-6 at one point with Ken Dorsey at OC until McD fired him and replaced him with Joe Brady. (With losses to the NY Jets, Jags, Pats, Bengals, Broncos, Eagles.) the Bills then went on to the playoffs.

 

Josh Allen is great no question...alas, it is a team sport and McD has brought his process, culture into Buffalo and gotten to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB.

 

The Kansas City Chiefs have mostly kept Buffalo from reaching a SB and Andy Reid has 26 seasons of being an NFL HC. Reid made it to the SB in his stint as the Eagles HC. 14 seasons. The Chiefs currently have an OC and DC that have previously been NFL head coaches in Nagy, Spagnola. 

 

Aside from all that in is my belief that injuries to the Buffalo Defense have kept Buffalo from the SB...along with the brain fart of Leslie Frazier calling a prevent defense in 2021 AFC Championship game. 

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He won on the road in Kansas City and Atlanta. Both playoff teams. 

 

Don't confuse revisionist historians with facts.   It's mean.

[OldNMBillsFan]

This clown lists John Harbaugh of the Baltimore Ravens #4, yet he continues to fall far shorter than McDermott in the playoffs while having a 3-time MVP quarterback. Lamar Jackson is consistently ranked as a better QB than Allen at PFF and many other sites (although many of us Bills fans would disagree). McDermott is 2-0 against Harbaugh and Jackson in the playoffs. Harbaughs has a dismal record of 3-5 in the playoffs since Jacksons arrival compared to McDermotts 7-6 with Josh Allen, yet he lists McDermott as 11th with the only reason being his playoff record, mainly losing to the Chiefs. How can he justify ranking Harbaugh as 4th when he can't get past either the Bills or the Chiefs in the playoffs and put McDermott is 11th when Mcdermott has clearly has out coached Harbough with a lesser ranked QB (according to PFF)? 

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

This clown lists John Harbaugh of the Baltimore Ravens #4, yet he continues to fall far shorter than McDermott in the playoffs while having a 3-time MVP quarterback. Lamar Jackson is consistently ranked as a better QB than Allen at PFF and many other sites (although many of us Bills fans would disagree). McDermott is 2-0 against Harbaugh and Jackson in the playoffs. Harbaughs has a dismal record of 3-5 in the playoffs since Jacksons arrival compared to McDermotts 7-6 with Josh Allen, yet he lists McDermott as 11th with the only reason being his playoff record, mainly losing to the Chiefs. How can he justify ranking Harbaugh as 4th when he can't get past either the Bills or the Chiefs in the playoffs and put McDermott is 11th when Mcdermott has clearly has out coached Harbough with a lesser ranked QB (according to PFF)? 

 

Harbaugh has been to and won a Super Bowl. Winning goes a long way in these types of rankings. Not only has McDermott never been to a Super Bowl but he hasn't even won a road playoff game as the Bills coach. He is a good coach but fair or not he has to get to a Super Bowl and win one especially since 17 is considered one of the best QBs in the game.

[uticaclub]

8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

But we also had Ramon Humber, Preston Brown, Jordan Mills, Adolphus Washington and Jon Miller starting…don’t forget the above.

 

Which offensive roster was worse that year?

Preston Brown had led the league in tackles and Jon Miller had a good start to his career before injuries 

[OldNMBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Harbaugh has been to and won a Super Bowl. Winning goes a long way in these types of rankings. Not only has McDermott never been to a Super Bowl but he hasn't even won a road playoff game as the Bills coach. He is a good coach but fair or not he has to get to a Super Bowl and win one especially since 17 is considered one of the best QBs in the game.

I totally disagree, that was 13 years ago. He is ranking head coaches as of now, not 13 years ago. McDermott wasn't even a head coach during the 2012 season. Again, Harbaugh has not got past the Bills in the payoffs with a 3-time MVP QB that many consider to be better the Allen. And this clown ranks him #4 and McDermott 11th.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I totally disagree, that was 13 years ago. He is ranking head coaches as of now, not 13 years ago. McDermott wasn't even a head coach during the 2012 season. Again, Harbaugh has not got past the Bills in the payoffs with a 3-time MVP QB that many consider to be better the Allen. And this clown ranks him #4 and McDermott 11th.

 

Lamar is a two time MVP. Just to be clear.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I totally disagree, that was 13 years ago. He is ranking head coaches as of now, not 13 years ago. McDermott wasn't even a head coach during the 2012 season. Again, Harbaugh has not got past the Bills in the payoffs with a 3-time MVP QB that many consider to be better the Allen. And this clown ranks him #4 and McDermott 11th.

Do you consider Lamar better than Josh?

 

I like Lamar a lot, and I think he’s a force, but I think he’s got some real Achilles heel type stuff that holds him back compared to Josh.

 

so I don’t personally think the Ravens have ever played the bills in the playoffs with a QB advantage. I think the opposite. Don’t you?

[OldNMBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Lamar is a two time MVP. Just to be clear.

Thanks for the correction.

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I totally disagree, that was 13 years ago. He is ranking head coaches as of now, not 13 years ago. McDermott wasn't even a head coach during the 2012 season. Again, Harbaugh has not got past the Bills in the payoffs with a 3-time MVP QB that many consider to be better the Allen. And this clown ranks him #4 and McDermott 11th.

 

It doesn't matter how long ago it was. The fact is Harbaugh has won a Super Bowl. That goes a long way in these rankings. Tomlin hasn't won a Super Bowl in a long time as well, but these "experts" consider him of the best coaches in the league because he has won one along with never having a losing season.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Do you consider Lamar better than Josh?

 

I like Lamar a lot, and I think he’s a force, but I think he’s got some real Achilles heel type stuff that holds him back compared to Josh.

 

so I don’t personally think the Ravens have ever played the bills in the playoffs with a QB advantage. I think the opposite. Don’t you?

 

I think the opposite too, though barring one really lax fumble though Lamar wasn't the reason the Ravens lost the most recent playoff game. The first time we beat them in the playoffs, even in weather and in a low scorer I thought on the night the Bills had a clear QB advantage. I thought it was closer this last time. Lamar was the reason the Ravens were in it at the end. 

 

John Harbaugh is one of three coaches I'd immediately trade McDermott for straight up. Reid. McVay. John Harbaugh. There is then a small batch of coaches that I wouldn't trade McDermott for but that I also wouldn't trade the other way if I was the GM of the other team: Payton, Shanahan, O'Connell and probably Dan Campbell.

 

Everyone else it is a simple choice for me. Sirianni is probably the most controversial here as he just won a Superbowl but what the last three years tells us is he is as good as his coordinators. Steichen and Gannon = makes Superbowl; Johnson and Desai = step back; Fangio and Moore = wins Superbowl. And Roseman hired Fangio and Moore last offseason so he doesn't even get credit for the hires. I think Howie is a way big factor in their success. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the opposite too, though barring one really lax fumble though Lamar wasn't the reason the Ravens lost the most recent playoff game. The first time we beat them in the playoffs, even in weather and in a low scorer I thought on the night the Bills had a clear QB advantage. I thought it was closer this last time. Lamar was the reason the Ravens were in it at the end. 

 

John Harbaugh is one of three coaches I'd immediately trade McDermott for straight up. Reid. McVay. John Harbaugh. There is then a small batch of coaches that I wouldn't trade McDermott for but that I also wouldn't trade the other way if I was the GM of the other team: Payton, Shanahan, O'Connell and probably Dan Campbell.

 

Everyone else it is a simple choice for me. Sirianni is probably the most controversial here as he just won a Superbowl but what the last three years tells us is he is as good as his coordinators. Steichen and Gannon = makes Superbowl; Johnson and Desai = step back; Fangio and Moore = wins Superbowl. And Roseman hired Fangio and Moore last offseason so he doesn't even get credit for the hires. I think Howie is a way big factor in their success. 

That’s a good way to phrase it.

 

Coaches I would trade for McD straight up:

 

Reid

McVay

Shanny

Campbell

KOC

LaFleur

Payton

 

I’m actually kinda lower on Harbaugh and Tomlin than others, they are right in McDs class imo. To me, the guys I listed above have elevated their teams beyond their QB. You could argue that Tomlin has, and you’d have a point, but I think he’s more of a floor raiser than a ceiling raiser.

 

Sirianni is the perfect example of why saying “McD is great because he has a great winning percentage” is invalid. He has the best winning percentage in football currently, without one of the very best QBs, and we all agree he isn’t close to the best coach in football. 

[Augie]

59 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

It doesn't matter how long ago it was. The fact is Harbaugh has won a Super Bowl. That goes a long way in these rankings. Tomlin hasn't won a Super Bowl in a long time as well, but these "experts" consider him of the best coaches in the league because he has won one along with never having a losing season.

 

I wonder where they rank Barry Switzer?  

 

There is a lot more to good coaching in the NFL than SB rings.