McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[dma0034]

On 6/24/2025 at 10:17 PM, Buffalo716 said:

People will cherry pick Sean McDermott's last five playoff losses 

 

And be like oh my God his last five losses he allows 33 points a game 

 

Andy Reid is allowing 31.5 points per game allowed in his last five losses in the playoffs with a healthier defense!

 

These Cherry picked stats are stupid

 

 

 

His Defense has allowed the Chiefs to score their lost points on every Postseason they've played. No need to cherry pick.

 

Josh Allen gives you a top 5 Offense. Teams know they have to score and start playing riskier which is why against average to below average teams our Defense feasts and then against elite Offenses they look lost.

 

As far as the the playoff breaking drought. Need you remember he benched Tyrod for Peterman in that season and won by beating exclusively bad teams. Even then it took the miracle of Andy Dalton to Boyd to backdoor into the playoffs. IMO that season was his best coaching and he has fumbled against Andy Reid in the playoffs. It's like he over thinks himself. There is 0 excuse for 13 seconds. 0

Also he's better than 2 time CotY Kevin Stefanski. Those CotY are jokes. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The point you are missing is that you are discrediting McDermott’s 9 win season because he had several wins against sub par QB’s.  But he also had a subpar QB in Tyrod Taylor.  Taylor was awful and showed it with the next 7 teams he played for.  

The 2017 team was one of the worst rosters in the NFL.  

 

 

I think the bolded is a bit of an exaggeration. It was a mismatched roster in the middle of a tear down with the three most talented guys of the previous few years all gone by then - Sammy, Mario and Gilmore. But it still had LeSean McCoy at running back; Cordy Glenn, Eric Wood and Richie Incognito (plus rookie Dawkins) on the offensive line; Charles Clay at that point was still a serviceable tight end; Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams on the Dline (and Dareus for 6 games - their run D fell off a cliff once they traded him) and then the McDermott 3 of Hyde, Poyer and Tre White in the secondary. They had trash at receiver and linebacker (until rookie Milano got on the field late in the year) agreed, and it was definitely not a top 6 in the AFC roster... it shouldn't "have made the playoffs" in the way I'd argue the 2012, 2014 and 2014 Bills definitely should have. But it was well coached, got a few breaks its way and snuck in. 

 

Now the 2018 roster.... when that oline had fallen apart, the receivers got even worse, Shady and Clay were at the point of decline and Kyle had finally come to the end.... THAT was one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Even as someone who has been critical of Beane I give him some props for his 2019 offseason. They didn't nail all their FA moves but they found some credible receivers and vet offensive linemen who could play in the likes of Beasley, Brown, Spain, Morse, Nsekhe and Feliciano and gave Josh a chance at least to succeed.

[0017]

PFF has 13 seconds to change these ratings or I’ll be pissed…..but seriously use this as motivation and get better! 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

As far as the the playoff breaking drought. Need you remember he benched Tyrod for Peterman in that season and won by beating exclusively bad teams.

 

He won on the road in Kansas City and Atlanta. Both playoff teams. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the bolded is a bit of an exaggeration. It was a mismatched roster in the middle of a tear down with the three most talented guys of the previous few years all gone by then - Sammy, Mario and Gilmore. But it still had LeSean McCoy at running back; Cordy Glenn, Eric Wood and Richie Incognito (plus rookie Dawkins) on the offensive line; Charles Clay at that point was still a serviceable tight end; Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams on the Dline (and Dareus for 6 games - their run D fell off a cliff once they traded him) and then the McDermott 3 of Hyde, Poyer and Tre White in the secondary. They had trash at receiver and linebacker (until rookie Milano got on the field late in the year) agreed, and it was definitely not a top 6 in the AFC roster... it shouldn't "have made the playoffs" in the way I'd argue the 2012, 2014 and 2014 Bills definitely should have. But it was well coached, got a few breaks its way and snuck in. 

 

Now the 2018 roster.... when that oline had fallen apart, the receivers got even worse, Shady and Clay were at the point of decline and Kyle had finally come to the end.... THAT was one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Even as someone who has been critical of Beane I give him some props for his 2019 offseason. They didn't nail all their FA moves but they found some credible receivers and vet offensive linemen who could play in the likes of Beasley, Brown, Spain, Morse, Nsekhe and Feliciano and gave Josh a chance at least to succeed.

We had pieces but overall a bad roster.

Our starting offense or major contributors were:

 Tyrod Taylor.  Benched after 2 games with the Browns.  Back up since.

 

LeSean McCoy good for us.

 

Dionte Thompson - Did he ever make another NFL roster?

Charles Clay - FA disappointment and out of the NFL one year later.

Kelvin Benjamin playing the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in a future Ghostbusters remake.

Jordan Matthews - Fell off a cliff after the Eagles.

 

Zay Jones probably always naked.

 

Nick O’Leary - out of the NFL 2 years later?

We had good pieces in Incognito, Hughes, Hyde, White and Poyer….

 

But we also had Ramon Humber, Preston Brown, Jordan Mills, Adolphus Washington and Jon Miller starting…don’t forget the above.

 

Which offensive roster was worse that year?

[Nihilarian]

McD is the #2 HC in wins over the last five seasons and only Andy Reid has more. 

 

Men like Mike Tomlin made their glory inheriting a QB in big Ben and the guy he replaced made it to the playoffs and SB with QBs like Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell.

 

Lions HC Dan Campbell has yet to even make it to a SB along with Browns HC Kevin Stefanski. 

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We had pieces but overall a bad roster.

Our starting offense or major contributors were:

 Tyrod Taylor.  Benched after 2 games with the Browns.  Back up since.

 

LeSean McCoy good for us.

 

Dionte Thompson - Did he ever make another NFL roster?

Charles Clay - FA disappointment and out of the NFL one year later.

Kelvin Benjamin playing the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in a future Ghostbusters remake.

Jordan Matthews - Fell off a cliff after the Eagles.

 

Zay Jones probably always naked.

 

Nick O’Leary - out of the NFL 2 years later?

We had good pieces in Incognito, Hughes, Hyde, White and Poyer….

 

But we also had Ramon Humber, Preston Brown, Jordan Mills, Adolphus Washington and Jon Miller starting…don’t forget the above.

 

Which offensive roster was worse that year?

 

Yea those pieces are enough to demonstrate it wasn't one of the worst rosters in the NFL. It was a roster in flux in the middle of a tear down that shouldn't have made the playoffs and did - as distinct from some of those others rosters I mention - 2012, 2014, 2015 - which should have made the playoffs and didn't. 

 

Worse teams at the time it would be the usual suspects - Browns, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins, Bears, Redskins... the 49ers were terrible at that point as well they'd just hired Kyle and John Lynch after two one and done coaches.

 

If you wanna say the Bills were 22nd or 23rd or something, fine. 

[Nihilarian]

I keep reading that QB Josh Allen is a big reason as to why this current team is so good and yet during the 2023 season the Buffalo Bills were 6-6 at one point with Ken Dorsey at OC until McD fired him and replaced him with Joe Brady. (With losses to the NY Jets, Jags, Pats, Bengals, Broncos, Eagles.) the Bills then went on to the playoffs.

 

Josh Allen is great no question...alas, it is a team sport and McD has brought his process, culture into Buffalo and gotten to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB.

 

The Kansas City Chiefs have mostly kept Buffalo from reaching a SB and Andy Reid has 26 seasons of being an NFL HC. Reid made it to the SB in his stint as the Eagles HC. 14 seasons. The Chiefs currently have an OC and DC that have previously been NFL head coaches in Nagy, Spagnola. 

 

Aside from all that in is my belief that injuries to the Buffalo Defense have kept Buffalo from the SB...along with the brain fart of Leslie Frazier calling a prevent defense in 2021 AFC Championship game.