UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?

[muppy]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

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this is juvenile.

 

MIKIE has a eloquent voice backed with honest conjecture and facts. And still he is called out as Hater of America.Its LAME

 

Man the **** Up  he may have some good points.

 

aren't YOU better than this? is his voice so threatening you must revert tp silliness and mocking anger?

 

It is the PPP way . But I see it and I think its stupid.  drivel-and boring. 

 

its not just you but its the keyboard warrior mentality which I find Lame

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

You're posting on your world knowledge and I'm posting on my Trump-centric emotions? When people disagree with Trump they have TDS and when you guys post whatever non stop thread about liberals you do so rationally without the seeming obsession you have? Trump is not an honest person, I expect dishonest people to do dishonest things, betting on dishonest people doing dishonest things is not hard. 

you may as well spit in the wind and expect not to get wet Mikey. These entrenched into only ONE thought   which is liberal person bad LOL 

 

u know what I mean. It's basically an exercise in futility hermano.But I applaud your efforts at Communication at the very least

 

jmo

Edited 7 hours ago by muppy

[Big Blitz]

Iran should be posting a video of the facility in tact very shortly.  
 

—CNN “sources”

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[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

The entire situation is about Trump for you. You have plenty of company in feeling that way. 
 

Looking forward to you being proven right within days. 

You're missing the point. THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS ABOUT TRUMP. That is the problem I have with Trump. 

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Sorry captain, the standard set by truth teller is completely obliterated and that golden shower analogy doesn't really hit home (unless it's your home). The White House authenticated it was a real story. To what level remains to be seen. 

 

Do you believe those trucks coming and going from the Nuclear facilities were just bringing concrete? 

 

You might be right on this. We really don't know, but the president is not right. Its been a couple days and his need for parading himself around before knowing anything is unraveling. Any sensible person would have simply said the mission was a success, we believe the nuclear threat is contained, and our intelligence community will be working hard in the coming days to verify those findings. Instead he chose, obliterated, no longer functional, and completely destroyed. It's the difference between qualified and unqualified, presidential and pedestrian. He was so eager to pat his back he couldn't even wait a few days.  

I would be more inclined to agree with you if the white house didn't already acknowledge it and it being top secret. Making up as they go is not what this is. It could be incorrect? Sure, Trump could do his best to ensure that is the perception? That's a certainty.   

 

Have not seen/heard Leavitt's statement, so will take your word for it that is what she said.  And, what she said goes exactly with what was stated in the post you responded to.  That post said it was either someone in government leaking classified (or apparently top secret in this instance) info or CNN was making it up.  Per your post, she said it was someone in government leaking top secret info.

 

And the question still remains as to which one is a more accurate restating of the information.  Whether 47 exaggerated or the leaker lied or a little of both, we don't know yet what the truth is.  Personally will wait for more info to come out before deciding which of those scenarios is the correct one.  (And yes, it is almost definite that 47 exaggerated; it is what he does.  But that doesn't mean necessarily that the 3 facilities aren't essentially completely back to ground zero so to speak.  Which, if it's the case would make 47's version significantly closer to the truth IF in fact that is what's happened than what the leaker has divulged.)  (Just like 47 isn't necessarily going to tell the truth, the leaker might have motives to lie as well.  And when we have no idea who that leaker is at this time, can't honestly say whether they are or aren't lying.)

[Albwan]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You're missing the point. THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS ABOUT TRUMP. That is the problem I have with Trump. 

you have no point, you're are tds robot.

Kind of like the rainman, "wapner 4 oclock always watch wapner yea"

[JDHillFan]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

You're missing the point. THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS ABOUT TRUMP. That is the problem I have with Trump. 

And it’s all so new! Absolutely no one realized he would behave like this. Shocking. Good luck navigating the next 3 1/2 years. If you’re good to your word, I suspect you won’t be sharing your thoughts here. I guess we may know something on that within days.

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Iran should be posting a video of the facility in tact very shortly.  
 

—CNN “sources”

What are they going to show? Some Persians sipping Mai Tai's 😆  

[letsgoteam]

If the Iran facilities are intact as claimed, why would Iran advertise it? Are they not just setting themselves up?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

The evidence is what I laid out.

As to the "why now," I think it is obvious, and it isn't strictly my opinion, it's from listening to countless discussions with Israeli officials, mostly ex ambassadors and others involved in dealing with this while living there and undergoing these relentless attacks.

To respond to the question, I think the Oct 7 2023 inhumane barbarism started it.

Prior to that, things were kind of quiet by local standards.

Hamas and the Palestinians enjoyed employment within Israel and the Israelis mistakenly thought that at long last there could be some kind of coexistence.

 

Then we witness the most barbaric attack in modern history. Babies killed, families butchhered and filmed, and a host of other unimaginable atrocities.

 

Israel responds by attempting to finally eliminate Hamas, which is nothing more than a murderous org taking intl relief and converting it into an underground weapons delivery system.

Hezbollah chips in, and hundreds of thousands of Israelis have to leave northern Israel.

The entire country is involved in supporting their defense. The economy is no longer functioning with so many displaced and so many reservists away from their usual careers.

 

Hamas gets set back and then the brilliance of Hezbollah getting severely castrated by the beeper thing.

Syria collapses, as the Israelis use that to destroy existing air defenses and create a corridor through there to Iran. That was a big deal, and I pointed that out at the time.

 

Now you have a very reduced capability from Hamas and Hezbollah, and the Iranian weapons program still a major threat.

Not just nuc procurement, but a massive ballistic missile capability.

Guess what?

They've got a clear path to Tehran after decades of threatened and backed up murder.

 

They've had scores of human assets inside Iran preparing for this moment for years, and the activated them, building drone launchers and other offensive weapons from within.

Air defense eliminated,

The timing was perfect, as was the execution.  

It is the dream scenario for the west, the middle east countries wanting to live in peace and anyone else who is sick and tired of the worst regime on earth.

 

As usual, very well laid out and very makes a ton of sense.   I might offer one additional consideration, purely from the perspective of human emotion.  
 

Since the 10/7 attacks, the level of animosity towards the Israelis has ratcheted up substantially in many places. Anti-semitism is the default for many people, and the Israelis must be astounded watching demonstrations in support Hamas (from their perspective anyway).  I think when they say that if they did not address the situation now, there likely was no next generation in large part because of that widespread support.  

 

 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

If the Iran facilities are intact as claimed, why would Iran advertise it? Are they not just setting themselves up?

It's pretty complicated. Israel doesn't have impunity to act at the moment (from what it would appear). The US has made it pretty clear they don't want this to proceed further.  They have a great deal of pride and have been embarrassed over this. If true likely the Nuclear weapon version of nana nana boo boo.

Edited 7 hours ago by Mikie2times

[4th&long]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

this is juvenile.

 

MIKIE has a eloquent voice backed with honest conjecture and facts. And still he is called out as Hater of America.Its LAME

 

Man the **** Up  he may have some good points.

 

aren't YOU better than this? is his voice so threatening you must revert tp silliness and mocking anger?

 

It is the PPP way . But I see it and I think its stupid.  drivel-and boring. 

 

its not just you but its the keyboard warrior mentality which I find Lame

you may as well spit in the wind and expect not to get wet Mikey. These entrenched into only ONE thought   which is liberal person bad LOL 

 

u know what I mean. It's basically an exercise in futility hermano.But I applaud your efforts at Communication at the very least

 

jmo

I can tell you with absolute certainty he is not better than this. He's Maga. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

If Trump had I tell that Iran was close to a Nuke then he had an obligation to act as he did. We will not know for some time, likely decades, what info he really has but all of the pearl clutching and TDS needs to stop from this. CNN and all news sources know nothing that is classified and if they do you know why Trump cuts out as many Dems as possible because they will let the country burn so Trump loses.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

It's pretty complicated. Israel doesn't have impunity to act at the moment (from what it would appear). The US has made it pretty clear they don't want this to proceed further.  They have a great deal of pride and have been embarrassed over this. If true likely the Nuclear weapon version of nana nana boo boo.

It's is complicated and i need to say being an American does not obligate a person to side with the government. And if I'm being objective about the situation rather than taking the "American perspective" I don't see any good guy here.  

 

I think the cease fire is a farce and hostilities will soon resume. Whether or not those sites and the uranium were destroyed is unimportant. I see the strikes as reinforcing the desire to develop nukes. Mainly, to deter other attacks. I've seen comments out of Russia and China critical of US action with pledges to support Iran. Whatever that means. So far both countries have decided to sit this one out.

 

Other comments saying well just "give" Iran some nuclear weapons. What would be the response to that?  Sanction Russia? Doing that already. Direct confrontation? Our forces are superior but there's risk of end of world scenarios. And what about China? They see Iran as essential to their belt and road initiative and global ambitions. The Clerics ruling, maybe not so much. Add to the mixture Trump's penchant to act like a 20 ton truck with no road manners and it's a very volatile situation. Lots of ways everything could go sideways. This could drag on for a lot longer than most think.

[Big Blitz]

13 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

If Trump had I tell that Iran was close to a Nuke then he had an obligation to act as he did. We will not know for some time, likely decades, what info he really has but all of the pearl clutching and TDS needs to stop from this. CNN and all news sources know nothing that is classified and if they do you know why Trump cuts out as many Dems as possible because they will let the country burn so Trump loses.

 

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[Orlando Buffalo]

1 minute ago, 4th&long said:

 

I appreciate your recognition that Trump makes us safer 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

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[stevestojan]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Honest question since I of course have no way of knowing what actually happened, nor do any of us here. But since many on the right are blasting any suggestion that the sites weren’t destroyed (by judging the website that posts the story) are you believing they did completely destroy them because Hegseth said they did? Or are you just waiting for more confirmation. Aljzerra is also reporting they have not been destroyed, along with other sources. So, aside from “CNN is biased” (no s.hit) what gives you confidence that the mission was indeed accomplished?