DEVELOPING: Israel launches strike on Iran nuke cites and military command

[stevestojan]

How did China sneak its way into this thread? 
 

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Homelander said:

 

The usual Greatest Hits of JCPOA criticism - let’s unpack the MAGA talking points they have been fed.

 

“It had a sunset clause!” - So does literally every arms control deal. It's called diplomacy, not immortality.

 

And the result of ditching it? Iran's enriching more uranium than ever, closer to a bomb, and with less oversight.

But sure, “no deal” was the strong move. Genius.

 

I honestly don't believe that these type of claims have any basis in reality.

 

The bottom line is that the world is dealing with a fundamentalism Islamic group at the head of Iran and its nuc program.

 

Do any of you care to understand what "diplomacy" means to a fundy Islamic group that thinks it has a God directive to eliminate Israel?

 

You can disagree, but I don't think "diplomacy" means the same to the Iranian regime as it does to an obviously uninformed  westerner.

 

To change course, but I think is important, the status of this confrontation has changed immensely in the past few months since the fall of Syria.

So as to not waste words, Iran is infinitely more vulnerable to offensive air strikes than it was earlier.

That is not to say they can't energize their third party proxies in other countries, but they are quite vulnerable. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Homelander]

33 minutes ago, sherpa said:

I honestly don't believe that these type of claims have any basis in reality.

 

The bottom line is that the world is dealing with a fundamentalism Islamic group at the head of Iran and its nuc program.

 

Do any of you care to understand what "diplomacy" means to a fundy Islamic group that thinks it has a God directive to eliminate Israel?

 

You can disagree, but I don't think "diplomacy" means the same to the Iranian regime as it does to an obviously uninformed  westerner.

 

To change course, but I think is important, the status of this confrontation has changed immensely in the past few months since the fall of Syria.

So as to not waste words, Iran is infinitely more vulnerable to offensive air strikes than it was earlier.

That is not to say they can't energize their third party proxies in other countries, but they are quite vulnerable. 

 

Lots of words, zero actual reason not to replace the JCPOA.

 

Meanwhile, thanks to Trump tearing it up, Iran’s further in its enrichment than ever.

 

But sure, tell us again how “diplomacy doesn’t work” while offering nothing but vibes and fantasy airstrikes.

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Roundybout]

17 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Heartbreaking. If we had a strong leader in office, this could have been avoided. Alas, we have Sleepy Don. 

[Walking Tall]

2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Heartbreaking. If we had a strong leader in office, this could have been avoided. Alas, we have Sleepy Don. 

Why are you such a ***** clown?

[JFKjr]

19 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

Lots of words, zero actual reason not to replace the JCPOA.

 

Meanwhile, thanks to Trump tearing it up, Iran’s further in its enrichment than ever.

 

But sure, tell us again how “diplomacy doesn’t work” while offering nothing but vibes and fantasy airstrikes.

 

 

It's too bad Kamala isn't in charge.

 

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Why are you such a ***** clown?

I am doing nothing MAGA didn’t do regarding Ukraine. Sucks to have to take your own medicine, huh?

[The Frankish Reich]

OK, so which one is it:

 

A. Israel undertook the Iran mission unilaterally, even though the US opposed it (at this time). Israel provided the US only advance notice with the US promising it would not obstruct Israel's actions.

 

B. Israel undertook the Iran mission with US approval, although the US stated it would not provide any support for the operation.

 

C. Israel and the US partially coordinated; the US-Iran negotiations were in good faith, and the US gave Israel its tacit approval for taking unilateral action when Iran refused to sign a deal.

 

D. Israel and the US fully coordinated, with a plan to use negotiations (conducted in bad faith) to delay the inevitable Israeli operation and to provide some diplomatic/legal cover (i.e., to show that all peaceful means of shutting down Iran's nuclear weapons program had failed)

 

 

[CoudyBills]

8 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Russia is prepared to move forward around the world. 

Conflict is about to happen in many theaters. 

The big question is...what side will trump place the US on. 

I certainly don't want a world war, but it will be hilarious watching you people delete your accounts rather than waltz around dick in hand admitting just how ignorant you all are.  

8 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Not Russia, but China absolutely 

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Chinese people.

7 hours ago, sherpa said:

All the usual blaming of various US administrations in this thread, but that doesn't address the reality.

Iran is run by an individual who thinks he has a God given mission to destroy Israel.

That is that group's raison d'etre.

 

It's been that way for decades, just as the Iranian nuclear weapons program has been going on for that long.

There is no chance any US president was going to stop it unless by force, which is not a pleasant option, or by regime change brought on by internal force.

 

That is the reality, and anyone who has looked at their program for years would know that.

How they built their facilities, where they put them, how they spread them out etc.

 

Fortunately, the Iranian air defense system has been denigrated to the point of ensuring strike success against various sites, but the thought that Iran was suddenly going to stop is pure folly.

 

 

But what does all of this have to do with eating raisins?

[CoudyBills]

7 hours ago, TH3 said:

Where exactly is the deal?

 

The U.S. State Departmentupdated its travel advisory, issuing a Level 4 "Do Not Travel" warning for India's Jammu and Kashmir, citing high risks of terrorism and civil unrest.[103] Additionally, the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi confirmed it is closely monitoring the situation and called for the perpetrators to be brought to justice, reaffirming its support for India's counterterrorism efforts.[104][105] On 26 April 2025, President Donald Trump downplayed the diplomatic crisis, stating that the two nations "had that fight for 1,500 years", despite the fact that the Kashmir crisis started in 1947.[106][107] United States Secretary of State Marco Rubio stated that he is closely monitoring the situation after being advised by National Security Advisor of India Ajit Doval via phonecall after Operation Sindoor.[108]

On 10 May, a few days after Vice President JD Vance stated the conflict was "none of our business", President Trump first announced the ceasefire on social media, claiming the US had an active role in mediating the agreement.[109][110] While Pakistan acknowledged American involvement, Indian officials maintained the agreement had been reached directly between the two countries.[111]

And why exactly are either of these countries going to war with each other our problem? We are not the world's police force. They want to kill each other, let him.

Edited 15 hours ago by CoudyBills

[Big Blitz]

43 minutes ago, Homelander said:

But sure, tell us again how “diplomacy doesn’t work” while offering nothing but vibes and fantasy airstrikes.

 

You really need to self ban

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

29 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Heartbreaking. If we had a strong leader in office, this could have been avoided. Alas, we have Sleepy Don. 

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 

[Roundybout]

 

 

Cool cool cool 

[CoudyBills]

53 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

Lots of words, zero actual reason not to replace the JCPOA.

 

Meanwhile, thanks to Trump tearing it up, Iran’s further in its enrichment than ever.

 

But sure, tell us again how “diplomacy doesn’t work” while offering nothing but vibes and fantasy airstrikes.

 

What is your solution to stop the enrichment?  No limits, stop the enrichment.  

[sherpa]

53 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

Lots of words, zero actual reason not to replace the JCPOA.

 

Meanwhile, thanks to Trump tearing it up, Iran’s further in its enrichment than ever.

 

But sure, tell us again how “diplomacy doesn’t work” while offering nothing but vibes and fantasy airstrikes.

 

 

You are so clearly ignorant.

 

The airstrikes were hardly "fantasy."

 

What I "offer" is reality. 

Iran is going to develop a nuclear weapon capable of being delivered to Israel, unless stopped.

No diplomacy is going to stop them, unless they view the option as a threat to their survival.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, so which one is it:

 

A. Israel undertook the Iran mission unilaterally, even though the US opposed it (at this time). Israel provided the US only advance notice with the US promising it would not obstruct Israel's actions.

 

B. Israel undertook the Iran mission with US approval, although the US stated it would not provide any support for the operation.

 

C. Israel and the US partially coordinated; the US-Iran negotiations were in good faith, and the US gave Israel its tacit approval for taking unilateral action when Iran refused to sign a deal.

 

D. Israel and the US fully coordinated, with a plan to use negotiations (conducted in bad faith) to delay the inevitable Israeli operation and to provide some diplomatic/legal cover (i.e., to show that all peaceful means of shutting down Iran's nuclear weapons program had failed)

 

 

Mods, please move to The Reliable Media v Alternative Scum please.

 

There, and only there, the truth shall be revealed. 

[sherpa]

31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, so which one is it:

 

 

I think you are making this far too complicated.

The US has a bunch of personnel and equipment, including a carrier task force, in the area.

Given the likelihood of an Iranian response, the Israelis probably told the US they were going to do something on Iranian soil.

The US would then be prepared for a response.

Thus the well publicized effort to allow non US combatants to leave the area over the past few days.