K D Posted July 7 Posted July 7 Millions of our parents and grandparents fought wars to protect the world from communism. Now the liberal weenies elect them. What a slap in the face to the previous generations 1
yall Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: That article is just a bunch of hand wringing over not reading Miranda rights to terrorists who may have knowledge of an immediate threat to public safety. That this guy felt it warrants serious discussion as some potential slippery slope attack on our rights just shows what a ***** ***** he really is Edited July 7 by yall
The Frankish Reich Posted July 8 Posted July 8 Yeah, go ahead, call him a communist. He fits the bill. Then think about the communist things he's said as opposed to some ordinary Democrat or even ordinary Democratic Socialist. I don't think even Bernie has talked about seizing the means of production. 1
Big Blitz Posted July 8 Author Posted July 8 “….How could progressives pretend to love conservative Muslims despite those Muslims views on gender and sexuality?” “What unites Islamists, gender studies majors, socially liberal white urbanites, and big pharma lobbyists?” “It’s hatred.” “They hate the president of the United States and most of all they hate the people who voted for that president of the United States in the last election in November.” “They are arsonists and they will make common cause with anyone willing to light the match. And that's why Mamdani himself is such an appealing instrument to the left. He captures so many of the movement's apparent contradictions in a single human being.” 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted July 10 Posted July 10 On 7/6/2025 at 12:27 PM, Big Blitz said: Yes. And it can happen here. You tell us. He’s running on that. Is he a liar? Being the centerpiece of his campaign, seems like this should be disqualifying. He’s a communist. Why NYC is a disaster. The Democrats that run it. de Blasio was terrible. DOGE it all. You can’t. So the city is F ed anyway. Let’s not use it to prop up the new communist Democrat party in the U.S. More on that below. Fund the police. End restorative justice in the schools. Allow ICE to do its job. Sounds like you should support the tariff regime for this very reason. Venezuela can happen here - but it will take the Courts to become filled with communists. And that starts with the Democrats - that will soon be embracing full on nationalization… We’re extraordinarily close to that. https://www.cfr.org/timeline/venezuelas-chavez-era As a campaign volunteer for Zohran (a “Ma’am-dani,” if you will…hurray for early-morning neologism!!), I can say with 100% certainty that he’s not intending to seize the means of production from private NYC businesses. Adding one public grocery store in each borough doesn’t qualify as “seizing the means of production” LOL… One of his main campaign policies, in fact, is to trim excessive regulations and red tape that prevent small businesses from competing with large ones. This is a policy I’d think right-wing populists could support?? Even if Zohran were to perform a complete post-campaign heel turn, he’d still have to contend with the entirety of the state’s Democratic Party establishment that is deeply committed to neoliberalism. One of Zohran’s biggest expected challenges will be getting Hochul and her crony capitalist acolytes in Albany to agree to Zohran’s absurdly modest tax hikes on the NYC rich. Consider this post a “FWIW” rebuttal, BTW. TBH, I couldn’t care less what you guys think about Zohran’s campaign. I’m confident we’re going to hit the majority vote threshold in November, regardless of y’all’s online Boomerish histrionics. You brought up Venezuela, which is in no way an indictment of democratic socialism. The issues that have plagued their government since 1998 are not characteristic of any particular economic system: a macroeconomy insanely dependent on one commodity (oil), deeply entrenched corruption, a reckless monetary policy, reckless fiscal policies, and sustained Western imperialist sanctions. The Chavez/Maduro price control measures have more to do with dirigisme and stupidity than anything market socialists or economically literate DSA members would ever support. You also brought up Trump’s tariffs. Yes, I generally do support targeted tariffs meant to boost domestic manufacturing. No, I don’t support the particular tariff mess that this populist charlatan is implementing. Where are the accompanying collective bargaining laws or Keynesian stimulus packages to help make the return of good-paying manufacturing jobs a timely reality?? Spoiler alert: these jobs aren’t coming back under Trump. His tariff wars have been a giant buy-low, sell-high scheme for his corporate cronies. On 7/6/2025 at 10:53 PM, Buffarukus said: Attacks? I thought you were a semi regular here and you construed what I said as attacks? We can talk about urban affordability if you like. My main point was that humans are tribal. Right now there is a red and blue tribe. When someone looks at issues, such as urban affordability, the first reaction is to try to find out how the "others" are to blame. In this particular instance the blue team has had a major hand for DECADES in what shaped these issues. while some red team was sprinkled on top ( you go back to reaganomics and reactions) it seems pretty distant from causation. We need a sub group. lets call them neoliberal. it makes more sense to say the neoliberals are to blame as they control all levers of power. So now more progressive policies are the way to go. AKA they just haven't gone left enough. I'd like to be convinced but something tells me all the progressive laws passed in San Fransico, Portland ect ect since they are the prime examples when looking for evidence of its successful implementation. Im just not seeing the platform out performing the two other groups and are realistically causing major issues on their own. Homelessness, drug addiction, buisness abandonment, high crime and urban affordability all exist and are thriving in the most progressive areas of the country. Sure, lets look at the most recent one. Covid response. Close down buisnesses, don't leave and we will pay you with free money. Thats was a pretty progressive response. I'd say it was the exact way a progressive would like to handle the situation and clear distant from what the fed decided for a decent timeframe. Did this policy do anything to determine urban affordability? Create food deserts from small buisness that had to close for good while the wallmarts stayed open? We could go into the progressive voter base and how gentrification has effected "affordability" when corner family owned turn into starbucks and high end boutiques. The BLM riot response was another recent factor that effected small buisnesses/workers who could not rebuild, but large insurance premiums dont effect big scale much. What was AOC progressive stance on these things? Are these adequate in how they effected the variety, competition and inflation for New York city shoppers that had nothing to do with federal policy? From my perspective, being in NY, I see alot of big ticket progressive policies. PFL/ FMLA has taken over industries. My company calculates over 40% of our workforce will be off on it this year. Believe it or not it's not easy filling orders and keeping doors open when you don't know who will be coming to work on a day to day basis. I know its evil to look at things from the capitalist perspective but they play half the role in employment. I dont defend "corporate origarchial empowerment". I am just a realist that has a understanding that taxing people and giving it away isn't the big solution that progressives think it is. NY taxes EVERYTHING already. They have raised min wage numerous times. They also have A TON of corruption from regular people abusing and siphoning that same system that progessives want to expand. That portion will never be addressed as it is not in line with the ideology. Anything that accuses that side as unempathetic will never be touched because ( insert example of someone who truley needs it as poster for everyone who gets it ). We can't even DOGE some clearly corrupt organizations without the left losing there minds and turning to a good old firebombing. but take MORE in and give MORE away will eventually work. I'd hope being a true progressive would mean more progress then just doing what's already being done to a level where our politicians are now flat out admitting to socialism. Its funny how giving the largest corporation in the world ( speaking of who is truley for their empowerment ) new exciting percentages to take from people and sees seizure of private buisnesses as a act progress. I blame neoliberalism because decades of macroeconomics research papers point to neoliberalism as the culprit for urban unaffordability. It has absolutely nothing to do with my perceived political tribalism. The economics research literature has been unambiguous in its revelation that we have been mired on the left side of Laffer’s curve all this time. How deep into the academic weeds are you willing to go on a pro football message board?? Look again at the nine cost-of-living factors I brought up in my previous post. By far the most consequential factor is wage growth, as a function of inflation and worker productivity. The next biggest factor has got to be health care costs, the leading cause of family bankruptcy in America. In what ways have progressive policies negatively impacted these two factors?! The issues of urban affordability and food deserts, here in NYC and elsewhere in America, predate and extend well beyond the era of COVID lockdowns and BLM riots. Once again, I’ll just reiterate here that I formulate economic opinions from economic data and not from political axioms. Also, I take umbrage with the notion that “free money” and “closing down businesses” were distinctly progressive policies at that time. It was conventional economic wisdom to provide financial stimulus so to prevent a far more dangerous DEFLATIONARY cycle, as a result of the collapse in consumer demand. It was conventional epidemiological wisdom to shut down NYC, in the face of an emergent pandemic, because NYC is a major transmission nexus and one of the most densely populated places in the world. You’re asking me to consider the employer side of the employer-employee relationship. I do, on occasion, when the situation warrants it. Those situations in this era of neoliberalism, however, are few and far between. I can’t help but laugh at the capitalists whining about their own incompetence navigating paid family/medical leaves in the year 2025… Your last paragraph is interesting to me because I actually find the strength of Zohran’s platform to be proposing simple things that have been done before, elsewhere across the world, with proven levels of success. But if novel and ambitious ideas are what you seek from the far left, contact your local DSA and tell them to advocate for market socialism: have some goods and services nationalized and government-run, but have most others commodified by worker cooperatives. We can start small and expand with time. Extant private businesses, in their traditional form, can be grandfathered into the new economy so that no “seizure” of the means of production is necessary! Yay!
Big Blitz Posted July 13 Author Posted July 13 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: Impossible. He’s totally all grassroots. 1
Buffarukus Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) On 7/10/2025 at 7:23 AM, ComradeKayAdams said: I blame neoliberalism because decades of macroeconomics research papers point to neoliberalism as the culprit for urban unaffordability. It has absolutely nothing to do with my perceived political tribalism. The economics research literature has been unambiguous in its revelation that we have been mired on the left side of Laffer’s curve all this time. How deep into the academic weeds are you willing to go on a pro football message board?? Look again at the nine cost-of-living factors I brought up in my previous post. By far the most consequential factor is wage growth, as a function of inflation and worker productivity. The next biggest factor has got to be health care costs, the leading cause of family bankruptcy in America. In what ways have progressive policies negatively impacted these two factors?! I used real world examples that represent progressive policies in our nation. Not curves or textbooks. You think neoliberal/republican policies are a big function of urban unaffordability, which is true. Im not denying it. Thats different then needing to go farther left with progressive policies to alleviate some of these problems in mythical ways. Is San Fransico more progressive then NY city? I think so. Are there any results showing this is making a difference. Lets google. *Housing costs are 161% higher than the national average. *Utilities are 58% higher than the national average. *Transportation costs (including gas and public transit) are 43% higher than the national average. *Grocery prices are 21% higher than the national average. Urban affordability. So when will we see the results at least tip in the other direction or is the area just neoprogressive and needs MORE left policies on top of the ones they have? Are we just adding a sidestep of human waste everyday and buying a car window once a month? On 7/10/2025 at 7:23 AM, ComradeKayAdams said: The issues of urban affordability and food deserts, here in NYC and elsewhere in America, predate and extend well beyond the era of COVID lockdowns and BLM riots. Once again, I’ll just reiterate here that I formulate economic opinions from economic data and not from political axioms. Also, I take umbrage with the notion that “free money” and “closing down businesses” were distinctly progressive policies at that time. It was conventional economic wisdom to provide financial stimulus so to prevent a far more dangerous DEFLATIONARY cycle, as a result of the collapse in consumer demand. It was conventional epidemiological wisdom to shut down NYC, in the face of an emergent pandemic, because NYC is a major transmission nexus and one of the most densely populated areas of the world. " I take umbrage with the notion that “free money” and “closing down businesses” were distinctly progressive policies at that time." states were given their own choice of how to handle the pandemic and to suggest the progressive response was anything other then to advocate exactly what happened in democrat cities for years is disingenuous. Id suggest the effects would have been greater and more prolonged if progressives had their way. Thats what i see in progressives, a policy action that sounds good superficially and then shimmy all accountability on the negative effects. Shift to the next virtue signal fight to bask in. I wonder how long until small bodegas and corner stores are closed down around these gov controlled ones. Labled "for profit markets" and then get a rinse and repeat of the other damages done to examples i made in my last post. Next is the demand for more gov stores because there arent enough around for the urban people to go to. Just 5 more stores. "This problem predates and is not specific to progressive policy" coming soon to the problems it creates. "It was conventional epidemiological wisdom to shut down NYC" Yeah i was in the covid thread trying to have common sense discussions on what others saw as conventional wisdom from EXPERTS. Read some of them and the date they were written and then check out how long after dems and progressives alike were calling for extending lockdowns. Checkpoints for vax passposts erected kay! The epidemiological wisdom became the main factor in why all families including urban expenses became unaffordable to this day. The rest of us were busy killing grandmas. Consumer demand would have been normalised if real wisdom would have been the reaction. Instead it was funneled to huge corporations while progressives neos alike where chearing for the cops closing (radical) mom and pop shops in cities across the country and demanding more stimulus after catching their leaders break every new covid rule and forgiving them. I didnt even touch progressive views and measures on mass immigration that are now mainstream "neoliberal" that effect every point you say. Unless somewhere in a textbook millions of extra people fighting over limited resources lowers prices. On 7/10/2025 at 7:23 AM, ComradeKayAdams said: You’re asking me to consider the employer side of the employer-employee relationship. I do, on occasion, when the situation warrants it. Those situations in this era of neoliberalism, however, are few and far between. I can’t help but laugh at the capitalists whining about their own incompetence navigating paid family/medical leaves in the year 2025… Thats great that you got a chuckle for how capitalist have to "navigate" paid/family time. Guess how they do it. The same way they do everything. Pass the brunt of it on to everyone else or close shop. By close shop i mean open it where they dont have to navigate aggressively and stay rich. Be that in a new state or nation. People who dont abuse it are subject to carry the workload. Joe just used pfl for his wifes "anxiety" problem again. We need you to do another double tonight or we wont make quota. We dont make quota enough times we are moving the company. We move the company and progressives fight for gov to "support" the newly unemployed. A cycle that starts with a well intentioned progressive mandate that they give little care if abused. Then we talk about urban affordability in the area with no employment prospects. Im not for capitalist profits and low taxes at all but taxing them alot more or abuse of something like pfl has one of those trickle down effects that you speak of like reaganomics. Its not as easy a solution as its suggested repeatedly for a quick fix. Then demand more to address new problems created. On and on. On 7/10/2025 at 7:23 AM, ComradeKayAdams said: Your last paragraph is interesting to me because I actually find the strength of Zohran’s platform to be proposing simple things that have been done before, elsewhere across the world, with proven levels of success. But if novel and ambitious ideas are what you seek from the far left, contact your local DSA and tell them to advocate for market socialism: have some goods and services nationalized and government-run, but have most others commodified by worker cooperatives. We can start small and expand with time. Extant private businesses, in their traditional form, can be grandfathered into the new economy so that no “seizure” of the means of production is necessary! Yay! I agree with this but I see the far lefts novel ambitious ideas. This thread has them. I live in NY. I named some of them. Im not seeing them resulting in much more then alot more empowerment to the largest corporation in the world. which is still ironic. Why dont progressives fund the things they claim to fight for? Give a couple bucks to bus fair united for free bus rides? Give a couple more to urban families so they have affordability. Keep giving it all away to all the great things politicians promise will be tax funded and we will fund whatever we want to. Cut out the US corpratist middlemen who squander it on corruption. is worker cooperation progression? Why doesnt someone run on that? You choose off a list of where YOUR taxes go every year and see what gets funded and what dries up in the country. Want to throw in more? Go ahead, there will be no need to go into weeds on a football message board ever again. Edited July 13 by Buffarukus 1
JDHillFan Posted July 13 Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Thurmal34 said: The politics of fear, anger, and false outrage never fail. What are some of your favorite things about Mamdani and his platform? Do you expect him to be a successful mayor?
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