Terror attacker in Boulder, Colorado an illegal - Mohamad Soliman, 45, yelled "FREE PALESTINE"

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

I agree one party isn't good, but we are close to that now already. You've got democrats who've almost universally gone insane. Then you've got never Trump Republicans who are in practice, Democrats. Then you've got RINOS, who give lip service to conservative principles, but often sell out. 

 

The #1 thing I want to see out of these next four years is seeing people who weaponized government put in prison. Without that nothing else matters and we'll just accelerate circling the drain as a nation.

 

But a close second is to continue watching Democrats implode at the behest of their Marxist masters. I'm hopeful that can result in a realignment in party coalitions where we can get back to fundamental debate on policy differences instead of woke culture war initiatives that the Marxists need to be front and center to accomplish their only real goal. Revolution.

I think you are more cynical than I am, and that is something. I will agree with what you are saying mostly but I am more hopeful for the future. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[ComradeKayAdams]

22 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

I didn't bother to read it. You are trying to justify attacking elderly people in another continent with a flamethrower, that is sick and evil. I do not need to debate with or acknowledge extremists. Palestine wrote a check that their body couldn't cash in 2023 and got exactly what they deserved. Palestine is dead wrong, and the world will be better when they cease to exist as a nation. full stop. Maybe after that, the innocent civilians there can live a stable life where they do not have to worry about their own government holding them hostage as expendable leverage at strategic battle sites every time someone fights back after the terrorist attacks that Palestine always starts. The rest of us are sick of the crap. I will never compromise with terrorism. Block me if you don't like that. Have the day that you deserve.

 

TRANSLATION: “It quickly became apparent to me that I had no chance of winning this debate, so I’ll just pretend that Kay condones acts of terrorism and then proceed to quit with feigned righteous indignation. Hopefully she will leave me alone now, and hopefully this response will allow me to save face with my two dozen reactionary Boomer/middle-aged friends who were evidently equally afraid to engage with Kay…since none of them bothered to come to my rescue during our debate…”

 

For the record: yes, I unequivocally condemn all acts of terrorism on innocent civilians and non-combatants. I do so on both moral and strategic grounds.

 

But I also vociferously condemn collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, genocide, apartheid ethnostates, and acts of terrorism on Palestinian Americans from mentally ill Zionists…all of which apparently the two dozen TBD PPP reactionary Boomers/middle-agers AND YOU do not.

 

 

On 6/3/2025 at 4:55 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I have a friend/associate who was born and raised in Palestine.  He most definitely is not a fan of Israel and believes the 10/7 attack was fabricated or reported as substantially worse than it was. He's a pretty passionate guy and I try and listen to what he says and why.  

 

Stepping back from that for just a second, the bigger question is always this:  Does Hamas present a threat to our values, or way of life, and the national security of the country.  I believe it does, so it's hard for me to step back and completely reconcile how the Palestinian people don't share some of the blame here.   As an American, there's all sorts of hate and animosity directed at certain political groups by certain other political groups (for instance anyone with TDS v anyone who is not afflicted), yet in that part of the world it's beyond the pale to raise that issue. 

 

Before you launch into a nedboyish tirade about hate and loathing under the banner...I harbor no hate against anyone, and the amount of pain and suffering in the Middle East is off the charts historically.  I understand that the Israeli's are not innocent in this interaction, but when push comes to shove, I think you partner with the partner less likely to want to see you destroyed.

 

You’re presenting a false binary choice. Why not forego an alliance with both Hamas AND Israel?

 

In what way does Hamas threaten our American way of life?? They are a political organization localized to the Gaza Strip. They’ve never physically harmed an American outside of Israel. You can read their 1988 and 2017 charters to get a sense of their specific grievances, but any issues they have with the U.S. are restricted to our support of a country that has infamously confined their citizens to an “open-air prison” for the past two decades.

 

In what way is Israel a good ally?? We send them ~$4 billion a year in aid, ~$20 billion since 10/7/23, and ~$300 billion total since Israel’s founding. That is not an “America first” policy! In return, our support of them has seriously strained our international and Middle East regional alliances, already sucked us into multiple disastrous Middle East conflicts, and at this point has destroyed whatever remaining moral legitimacy our country had in the post-WW2 era. All this for better economic access to the Suez Canal region, which the Houthis have now strained SPECIFICALLY because of our support for Israel’s genocide??

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

You’re presenting a false binary choice. Why not forego an alliance with both Hamas AND Israel?

 

In what way does Hamas threaten our American way of life?? They are a political organization localized to the Gaza Strip. They’ve never physically harmed an American outside of Israel. You can read their 1988 and 2017 charters to get a sense of their specific grievances, but any issues they have with the U.S. are restricted to our support of a country that has infamously confined their citizens to an “open-air prison” for the past two decades.

 

In what way is Israel a good ally?? We send them ~$4 billion a year in aid, ~$20 billion since 10/7/23, and ~$300 billion total since Israel’s founding. That is not an “America first” policy! In return, our support of them has seriously strained our international and Middle East regional alliances, already sucked us into multiple disastrous Middle East conflicts, and at this point has destroyed whatever remaining moral legitimacy our country had in the post-WW2 era. All this for better economic access to the Suez Canal region, which the Houthis have now strained SPECIFICALLY because of our support for Israel’s genocide??

That's an interesting perspective, Hamas as an ally to the United States.  I suppose it's possible, the brutality of the Japanese, Germans and Italians in the 1940s ultimately gave way to friendly relations a short time later.  It was a mere 20 years after the end of the war that young Lehn and his brothers watched the hapless but lovable German Sergeant Schultz clowned upon by the crafty Colonel Hogan in Hogan's Heros.  

 

If accounts of life in Gaza are accurate, I don't really see much hope for that happening at this time.  I'm reading stories of murder, torture, gender-based violence against Palestinians by Hamas.  The ongoing conflict with Israel is problematic, and my general belief is when you slaughter a thousand plus festival goers in an assault similar to that launched 10/7, take hostages and corpses as bounty, there's not a lot of room for interpretation.  

 

I'd think for the path to friendship to occur, it would take a substantial uprising by Palestinians against Hamas, remove them from power, and replace them with a less killy, rapey, butchery style of government.  It has happened before, but it seems to me most Palestinians seem to support Hamas. 

 

You're not a fan of Israel, and you seem to believe in the innate goodness and decency of Hamas.  Israel is not an innocent in all of this, but to me--in the current binary choice world I live in, it's not even close as to who we partner with--warts and all. 

 

That said, would you lay out the path forward where we partner with both Israel and Hamas?  I'll keep an open mind.    

[Thurmal34]

What is wrong with saying free Palestine? 
 

seriously. 
 

what’s the difference between this attack and a 2,000 lb bomb being dropped on a refugee camp or a mass grave discovered that contained 15 journalists and medics?

 

none of the ***** is correct. But to say one side is allowed to kill indiscriminately and attack the other for the same thing is disingenuous. 
 

face the facts. 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

9/11: 19 of 20 terrorists from Saudi Arabia. Saudi not on the new banned visa list. 
 

2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack: terrorists from Pakistan or Pakistani background. Pakistanis not banned. 
 

Boston Marathon bombers: of Russian/Chechneyan origin. Russians not banned. 
 

Boulder pyro attack:  Egyptian who lived in Kuwait for 17 years. Neither Egyptians not Kuwaitis banned. 
 

Hey, close enough!

Trump in a nutshell. All performative symbolic outrage signifying nothing. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

11 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

That's an interesting perspective, Hamas as an ally to the United States.  I suppose it's possible, the brutality of the Japanese, Germans and Italians in the 1940s ultimately gave way to friendly relations a short time later.  It was a mere 20 years after the end of the war that young Lehn and his brothers watched the hapless but lovable German Sergeant Schultz clowned upon by the crafty Colonel Hogan in Hogan's Heros.  

 

If accounts of life in Gaza are accurate, I don't really see much hope for that happening at this time.  I'm reading stories of murder, torture, gender-based violence against Palestinians by Hamas.  The ongoing conflict with Israel is problematic, and my general belief is when you slaughter a thousand plus festival goers in an assault similar to that launched 10/7, take hostages and corpses as bounty, there's not a lot of room for interpretation.  

 

I'd think for the path to friendship to occur, it would take a substantial uprising by Palestinians against Hamas, remove them from power, and replace them with a less killy, rapey, butchery style of government.  It has happened before, but it seems to me most Palestinians seem to support Hamas. 

 

You're not a fan of Israel, and you seem to believe in the innate goodness and decency of Hamas.  Israel is not an innocent in all of this, but to me--in the current binary choice world I live in, it's not even close as to who we partner with--warts and all. 

 

That said, would you lay out the path forward where we partner with both Israel and Hamas?  I'll keep an open mind.    

 

1. My “interesting perspective” on a Hamas alliance with the United States: I do very much appreciate your willingness to politically tango with La Commie Kay, but please don’t step on my dance toes! I never even so much as intimated that an alliance with Hamas should be an objective. I was merely challenging your silly perspective that Hamas posed some kind of threat to our American way of life. It’s akin to George W. Bush’s “They hate us for our freedoms!” insight. No, they hate us because we’re imperialist sh!theads who, in this instance, are supporting our settler colonial proxy state’s ethnic cleansing.

 

2. You “reading stories of” Hamas violence against Gazans: OMG…I think I just found your fundamental problem. You badly need to diversify your news sources beyond corporate media ones that are in the pockets of powerful Zionists. The hasbara propaganda is apparent once you compare different media coverages of the same events. The fact that you’re fixated on alleged Hamas violence toward Gazans to the exclusion of Israel’s ACTUAL GENOCIDE of Gazans…

 

3. How “most Palestinians seem to support Hamas” to you: I think you meant to say Gazans instead of Palestinians. It’s hard to tell what Gazans think right now because it’s hard to do polling in there. Their society has broken down so badly to the point that they can’t properly maintain death records anymore. I can only surmise that many Gazans are unhappy with what Hamas leadership has been able to deliver for them to date, most are simply preoccupied with surviving, and nearly all are understandably angrier with the Israelis performing the genocide on them. Gaza is an entire society of descendants of Nakba refugees, so their resentment is unsurprisingly deep and generational.

 

4. “The innate goodness and decency of Hamas” you think I see: Now you are crushing my tango toes. STEP OFF. This is reckless and libelous speculation on your part. I’ve never come close to suggesting that in anything I’ve ever wrote. In my personal opinion, many of the leaders and members among the military wing of Hamas are likely irredeemable sociopaths.

 

5. “The current binary choice world” that you live in: Why do you stubbornly choose to see the world like this?? The real world is wonderfully multifaceted and highly nuanced. You are a willing prisoner inside your own mind.

 

6. “The path forward” for a partnership with both Israel and Hamas: I refuse to lay out such a path because I insist that both the Israeli government and the Hamas leadership have forfeited their rights to continue governing. They should all be charged with war crimes, sent to The Hague to stand trial, and serve their appropriate prison sentences.

 

7. A Brief Posting Retrospective with Leh-nerd Skin-erd: All in all, I’d say our discussion so far is going pretty well, no? I’m trying my best to effectuate a kinder, gentler posting philosophy with you called “What would Muppy Do?,” or “WMD” for short. It helps that I’m analogizing our debate to a tango dance instead of a boxing match! We’ll see how long this lasts, though. I have my guarded eyes fixed on you…

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

1. My “interesting perspective” on a Hamas alliance with the United States: I do very much appreciate your willingness to politically tango with La Commie Kay, but please don’t step on my dance toes! I never even so much as intimated that an alliance with Hamas should be an objective. I was merely challenging your silly perspective that Hamas posed some kind of threat to our American way of life. It’s akin to George W. Bush’s “They hate us for our freedoms!” insight. No, they hate us because we’re imperialist sh!theads who, in this instance, are supporting our settler colonial proxy state’s ethnic cleansing.

 

2. You “reading stories of” Hamas violence against Gazans: OMG…I think I just found your fundamental problem. You badly need to diversify your news sources beyond corporate media ones that are in the pockets of powerful Zionists. The hasbara propaganda is apparent once you compare different media coverages of the same events. The fact that you’re fixated on alleged Hamas violence toward Gazans to the exclusion of Israel’s ACTUAL GENOCIDE of Gazans…

 

3. How “most Palestinians seem to support Hamas” to you: I think you meant to say Gazans instead of Palestinians. It’s hard to tell what Gazans think right now because it’s hard to do polling in there. Their society has broken down so badly to the point that they can’t properly maintain death records anymore. I can only surmise that many Gazans are unhappy with what Hamas leadership has been able to deliver for them to date, most are simply preoccupied with surviving, and nearly all are understandably angrier with the Israelis performing the genocide on them. Gaza is an entire society of descendants of Nakba refugees, so their resentment is unsurprisingly deep and generational.

 

4. “The innate goodness and decency of Hamas” you think I see: Now you are crushing my tango toes. STEP OFF. This is reckless and libelous speculation on your part. I’ve never come close to suggesting that in anything I’ve ever wrote. In my personal opinion, many of the leaders and members among the military wing of Hamas are likely irredeemable sociopaths.

 

5. “The current binary choice world” that you live in: Why do you stubbornly choose to see the world like this?? The real world is wonderfully multifaceted and highly nuanced. You are a willing prisoner inside your own mind.

 

6. “The path forward” for a partnership with both Israel and Hamas: I refuse to lay out such a path because I insist that both the Israeli government and the Hamas leadership have forfeited their rights to continue governing. They should all be charged with war crimes, sent to The Hague to stand trial, and serve their appropriate prison sentences.

 

7. A Brief Posting Retrospective with Leh-nerd Skin-erd: All in all, I’d say our discussion so far is going pretty well, no? I’m trying my best to effectuate a kinder, gentler posting philosophy with you called “What would Muppy Do?,” or “WMD” for short. It helps that I’m analogizing our debate to a tango dance instead of a boxing match! We’ll see how long this lasts, though. I have my guarded eyes fixed on you…

Son of a b.  I misread your initial post and have to apologize for that. I’ll withhold commentary on some of the issues we disagree on, and typically proofread my posts to ensure I’m saying here what I would say in a personal conversation, and missed it.  Specifically, I misread your initial stance on Hamas, and that got me thinking about post-WW2 relations with nations interested in our complete annihilation.  That’s hard for me to wrap my head around given the way the war impacted members of my family.  
 

My bad. Kay wins this skirmish. You said nothing about partnering with Hamas, though I still think the parallels to the imperialistic tendencies of Japan is interesting. I also credited you for thinking quite broadly, I must take that credit back. 
 

That said, I had loaded up a second nostalgic tv reference to highlife how misunderstandings can lead to different conclusions.  From Happy Days:

 

Fonzie:  How did your date go last night? 
Richie Cunningham:  We played chess.

Fonzie:  You played with her chest??! 
 

I had you as the Fonz, yet here we are. I’m the Fonz….Im the Fonz. 
 

 

[nedboy7]

“The Intern in Charge”: Meet the 22-Year-Old Trump’s Team Picked to Lead Terrorism Prevention

One year out of college and with no apparent national security expertise, Thomas Fugate is the Department of Homeland Security official tasked with overseeing the government’s main hub for combating violent extremism.

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-dhs-thomas-fugate-cp3-terrorism-prevention?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

[The Frankish Reich]

45 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

“The Intern in Charge”: Meet the 22-Year-Old Trump’s Team Picked to Lead Terrorism Prevention

One year out of college and with no apparent national security expertise, Thomas Fugate is the Department of Homeland Security official tasked with overseeing the government’s main hub for combating violent extremism.

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-dhs-thomas-fugate-cp3-terrorism-prevention?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

Can’t make this sh!t up

[yall]

46 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

“The Intern in Charge”: Meet the 22-Year-Old Trump’s Team Picked to Lead Terrorism Prevention

One year out of college and with no apparent national security expertise, Thomas Fugate is the Department of Homeland Security official tasked with overseeing the government’s main hub for combating violent extremism.

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-dhs-thomas-fugate-cp3-terrorism-prevention?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

But lemme guess, you're cool with a bartender running for president?

[The Frankish Reich]

20 minutes ago, yall said:

But lemme guess, you're cool with a bartender running for president?

No.

If that's a dig at AOC, well, I'd never vote for her for other reasons.

But the fact that she once had a real job is a feature, not a bug.

 

[Westside]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No.

If that's a dig at AOC, well, I'd never vote for her for other reasons.

But the fact that she once had a real job is a feature, not a bug.

 

So, you get to decide what a real job is?

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Westside said:

So, you get to decide what a real job is?

"Real job" as in "not a budding politician's job." Think congressional staffer, something like that. That's all.

 

[BillsFanNC]

21 minutes ago, Westside said:

So, you get to decide what a real job is?

 

Finding needs "community organizer" on a resume.  Instant front runner candidate.