Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because the truth of it is it's never as easy as one thing. Even 13 seconds which was overwhelmingly a coaching fail, in order for it to play out the way it did it still required the UDFA they were starting a corner to misplay his assignment. Football is just too complex to pin point a single point of failure. 

The problem is that all of you admit its a complex thing and list all these possible reasons for failure, but it CAN'T be coaching lol.

 

I admit injuries have been a problem. I admit that the roster desperately lacks another star or 3. I admit the cosmic luck hasn't gone our way. I also think Reid kinda takes McD's lunch money every time we play them in postseason. How can you be so sure that isn't also a problem? 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I'm not sure what "not the same defense" means but okay.

 

I know McD is going nowhere. We have folks on here calling him a top 15 coach in modern history with a HoF QB and 2 AFC finalist banners lol. 

 

My question is what do we think is more likely two years from now?  0-6 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs or 2-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs?

 

I know my answer. @NewEra what do you got?

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Honestly if they are the two options I lean 2-4. I'd pick 1-5 if it were an option but these games are so close year on year (with the exception of the first one) that I find it difficult not to see the Bills getting a break one year. 

⬆️ This is my answer

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because the truth of it is it's never as easy as one thing. Even 13 seconds which was overwhelmingly a coaching fail, in order for it to play out the way it did it still required the UDFA they were starting a corner to misplay his assignment. Football is just too complex to pin point a single point of failure. 

And this is the reason why

21 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The Eagles out-coached KC in the SB. And it was not close. While Fangio is every bit as good as Spags at DC, I don’t think that many of us thought Moore would out-coach Reid. But Reid’s game plan was trash while Moore’s was quite good. Reid stupidly ran plays that were easily covered by the scheme with which the Eagles had dominated all season. To make matters worse he didn’t change it up until the second half. By then it was too late. 

Yes-  they out coached them in that game.  But they are inferior coaches.  
 

Fangio being the outlier….but I’d take Spags over him.  His playoff success is rivaled by no other DC imo.  

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The problem is that all of you admit its a complex thing and list all these possible reasons for failure, but it CAN'T be coaching lol.

 

I admit injuries have been a problem. I admit that the roster desperately lacks another star or 3. I admit the cosmic luck hasn't gone our way. I also think Reid kinda takes McD's lunch money every time we play them in postseason. How can you be so sure that isn't also a problem? 

He’s been out coached.  I never said he hasn’t been.  Coaching has played a part in our zero wins vs KC in the playoffs.  That doesn’t mean that will be the case every season.  I never said it wasn’t “part of the problem”.  I’ve admitted that several times…..  

 

From my perspective- you saying that you have zero confidence in McD beating KC is admitting that nothing else matters.  What if we have limited injuries?  What if one or more our draftees turns into an elite player? What if cosmic luck comes our way?  We haven’t had any of that to date….that alone, is bound to change for one season, at least.  

 

back on topic.  Nice looking route 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

From my perspective- you saying that you have zero confidence in McD beating KC is admitting that nothing else matters.

It's admitting that at a certain point, he has had enough bites at the apple imo.

 

It's like when drought coaches couldn't break it in 3 years. Sure, we had some key injuries with Chan or Rex or Jauron. We had some bad luck. We had some weaker rosters.  But at a certain point, the Bills decided, "this guy hasn't made the playoffs in 3 or 4 seasons, he probably isn't going to" and fired them. 

 

We are going into year 9 of McDermott and Beane without a Superbowl appearance. Is that the longest coaching/GM tenure without a championship APPEARANCE? It has to be up there. 

[Simon]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

the point was that Rivera and Gettleman had a prime specimen at QB, made it to one Super Bowl, and pretty much underachieved up to and including the quality of team they built around him.  And the second time and injuries caught up with Cam, the carousel stopped, and they all got fired.

 

 

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

Cam Newton's last year of performing at a just "good" level was at 30.

 

If you were looking for the shortest path to completely destroying your credibility, I can think of few more efficient ones than repeatedly comparing Josh Allen to Cam Newton.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

 

 

If you were looking for the shortest path to completely destroying your credibility, I can think of few more efficient ones than repeatedly comparing Josh Allen to Cam Newton.

Um, Cam Newton had 981 rushing attempts in his 10 year career in Carolina.

 

Josh Allen has 759 rushing attempts in his 7 year career in Buffalo.

 

It's likely at this point that Josh surpasses Cam in career attempts. 

 

We all know that Josh is a far superior passer than Cam.  But if he faces the same physical decline that Cam did at 30, will he still be an MVP QB or just a good QB?

 

We all saw what happened to Russell Wilson when he lost a step. 

 

The biggest takeaway from the Cam Newton comparison SHOULD be that not every QB plays at the peak of their powers until 39 years old. I bet Carolina Panthers fans saw Cam win MVP in 2015 and thought they had 10 more years of him playing at a high level. They were wrong.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Um, Cam Newton had 981 rushing attempts in his 10 year career in Carolina.

 

Josh Allen has 759 rushing attempts in his 7 year career in Buffalo.

 

It's likely at this point that Josh surpasses Cam in career attempts. 

 

We all know that Josh is a far superior passer than Cam.  But if he faces the same physical decline that Cam did at 30, will he still be an MVP QB or just a good QB?

 

We all saw what happened to Russell Wilson when he lost a step. 

 

The biggest takeaway from the Cam Newton comparison SHOULD be that not every QB plays at the peak of their powers until 39 years old. I bet Carolina Panthers fans saw Cam win MVP in 2015 and thought they had 10 more years of him playing at a high level. They were wrong.

 

Cam Newton declined well before 30 because he wasn't a good QB.  

The next two seasons after his MVP for Cam Newton, he threw 41 TD's to 30 INT's.  

He had about 3 good seasons in a 10 year career.  

Cam Newton isn't a good comparison simply because Allen has been elite the last 5 seasons and has been consistent.  Cam didn't do anything near the level Allen has.  Cam was a bad QB most of his career.

 

Russell Wilson doesn't have anywhere near the physical attributes that Allen has.  

49 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's admitting that at a certain point, he has had enough bites at the apple imo.

 

It's like when drought coaches couldn't break it in 3 years. Sure, we had some key injuries with Chan or Rex or Jauron. We had some bad luck. We had some weaker rosters.  But at a certain point, the Bills decided, "this guy hasn't made the playoffs in 3 or 4 seasons, he probably isn't going to" and fired them. 

 

We are going into year 9 of McDermott and Beane without a Superbowl appearance. Is that the longest coaching/GM tenure without a championship APPEARANCE? It has to be up there. 

 

Come on.

 

It's not like the draught coaches.

 

There is a massive difference between between simply making the playoffs and being Super Bowl contenders.

 

There wasn't any improvement in the Bills after 3 to 4 years with Jauron/Ryan/Chan etc...

McDermott was a drought coach and he took them to the playoffs year 1, contending for the division by year 3 and won the division the last 5 years.

None of the other draught coaches got us anywhere near that in 3-4 years.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Cam Newton declined well before 30 because he wasn't a good QB.  

The next two seasons after his MVP for Cam Newton, he threw 41 TD's to 30 INT's.  

He had about 3 good seasons in a 10 year career.  

Cam Newton isn't a good comparison simply because Allen has been elite the last 5 seasons and has been consistent.  Cam didn't do anything near the level Allen has.  Cam was a bad QB most of his career.

 

Russell Wilson doesn't have anywhere near the physical attributes that Allen has.  

Cam Newton wasn't as good as Josh Allen.  However, the 2 seasons before Josh Allen won MVP, he threw 64 TDs to 32 INTs. 

 

Cam was not a good QB? Nah.

 

Man, Bills fans are so spoiled by Josh lol. 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Cam Newton wasn't as good as Josh Allen.  However, the 2 seasons before Josh Allen won MVP, he threw 64 TDs to 32 INTs. 

 

Cam was not a good QB? Nah.

 

Man, Bills fans are so spoiled by Josh lol. 

You’re just making poor comparisons-
 

Cam was good for a few years.  Had a winning record 3 season and a losing record 8 seasons.  You were comparing Rivera and McD earlier- Rivera almost equal w-l.  McDermott, almost double W than L.  Allen is in a different stratosphere as Cam was as a QB.  Mentioning the drought year bills coaches has nothing in common as a McD other than the logo on the helmet 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’re just making poor comparisons-
 

Cam was good for a few years.  Had a winning record 3 season and a losing record 8 seasons.  You were comparing Rivera and McD earlier- Rivera almost equal w-l.  McDermott, almost double W than L.  Allen is in a different stratosphere as Cam was as a QB.  Mentioning the drought year bills coaches has nothing in common as a McD other than the logo on the helmet 

Are you on the "Cam wasn't a good QB" train too?

 

Do you think players' careers can't be compared because they aren't as good? 

 

Here's another example. Maybe he's good enough to qualify as a comparison.

 

Chuck Pagano had a winning percentage of .614 when Andrew Luck was starting. He went an incredible 6-3 with Hasselback and Freeman when Luck got hurt in 2015. He was .500 in the playoffs and had an AFCCG appearance in his first 3 seasons.

 

I bet Colts fans thought they had 12 more years of being in the mix with Luck. They thought they had some bad luck and would eventually break through. They thought they had a very good coach whose only losing season came when Luck missed a full season. They were wrong. 

 

If Andrew Luck and Chuck Pagano aren't good enough to be discussed or compared to Josh and McDermott, then there's honestly no reason to discuss anything about them because they are both 1 of 1's and unless we invent cloning technology, nothing will ever be comparable. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The problem is that all of you admit its a complex thing and list all these possible reasons for failure, but it CAN'T be coaching lol.

 

I admit injuries have been a problem. I admit that the roster desperately lacks another star or 3. I admit the cosmic luck hasn't gone our way. I also think Reid kinda takes McD's lunch money every time we play them in postseason. How can you be so sure that isn't also a problem? 

 

Oh no, it is partly coaching. But I don't think it is as big of a coaching disparity that a bit of luck with a bounce or two or an injury here and there or just a few more difference makers couldn't get over. McDermott / Frazier / Babich HAVE outcoached Reid in the regular season. Now maybe Reid intentionally sand bags but I don't really believe that. I just think they haven't found the right gameplans at the right times but that doesn't mean they can't do it.

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh no, it is partly coaching. But I don't think it is as big of a coaching disparity that a bit of luck with a bounce or two or an injury here and there or just a few more difference makers couldn't get over. McDermott / Frazier / Babich HAVE outcoached Reid in the regular season. Now maybe Reid intentionally sand bags but I don't really believe that. I just think they haven't found the right gameplans at the right times but that doesn't mean they can't do it.

The games are close because our offense usually plays very well.

 

A bit of luck or a bounce or two or a few more difference makers is not a sufficient explanation for the Chiefs playing one of their best offensive games of the season year after year against the Bills in the playoffs, imo.

 

They lost their #1 WR for the year in week 4 for cripe's sake. They had to trade away Tyreek Hill for salary cap reasons and have had their last 2 seasons being fifteenth in points scored. How is that not luck for the Bills?

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The games are close because our offense usually plays very well.

 

A bit of luck or a bounce or two or a few more difference makers is not a sufficient explanation for the Chiefs playing one of their best offensive games of the season year after year against the Bills in the playoffs, imo.

 

They lost their #1 WR for the year in week 4 for cripe's sake. They had to trade away Tyreek Hill for salary cap reasons and have had their last 2 seasons being fifteenth in points scored. How is that not luck for the Bills?

 

I just think that is how all Bills - Chiefs games are. If we kept them to say 19 in a post season game it would be 21-19 or 19-17 IMO. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Are you on the "Cam wasn't a good QB" train too?

 

Do you think players' careers can't be compared because they aren't as good? 

 

Here's another example. Maybe he's good enough to qualify as a comparison.

 

Chuck Pagano had a winning percentage of .614 when Andrew Luck was starting. He went an incredible 6-3 with Hasselback and Freeman when Luck got hurt in 2015. He was .500 in the playoffs and had an AFCCG appearance in his first 3 seasons.

 

I bet Colts fans thought they had 12 more years of being in the mix with Luck. They thought they had some bad luck and would eventually break through. They thought they had a very good coach whose only losing season came when Luck missed a full season. They were wrong. 

 

If Andrew Luck and Chuck Pagano aren't good enough to be discussed or compared to Josh and McDermott, then there's honestly no reason to discuss anything about them because they are both 1 of 1's and unless we invent cloning technology, nothing will ever be comparable. 

I’m on the Cam wasn’t nearly as good of a QB as Josh Allen and the only comparison they have is size-running ability train.  I’m on the Josh Allen is one of the greatest throwers of the football ever/cam newton isn’t even top 150 throwers of the football train. Josh is a great passer- Cam had a great passing season…. In which he didn’t even complete 60% of his passes.   
 

Sure-  pagano and luck is a fine comparison pre injury.  Luck is also an nfl anomaly.  What other QBs were all world, got hurt and then retired after 6 seasons?  Maybe that will happen to Josh…..  

 

this doesn’t have anything to do what colts fans thought.  if Josh gets hurt this year and retires, this debate means nothing.  Whichever HC we’d have would be starting from scratch. 

one comparison proves what exactly?

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The games are close because our offense usually plays very well.

 

A bit of luck or a bounce or two or a few more difference makers is not a sufficient explanation for the Chiefs playing one of their best offensive games of the season year after year against the Bills in the playoffs, imo.

 

They lost their #1 WR for the year in week 4 for cripe's sake. They had to trade away Tyreek Hill for salary cap reasons and have had their last 2 seasons being fifteenth in points scored. How is that not luck for the Bills?

Our offense has also been extremely healthy in those losses.  Our defense has been ravaged by injuries to literally our best players almost every season

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Cam Newton wasn't as good as Josh Allen.  However, the 2 seasons before Josh Allen won MVP, he threw 64 TDs to 32 INTs. 

 

Cam was not a good QB? Nah.

 

Man, Bills fans are so spoiled by Josh lol. 

I tend to evaluate players on their overall career.  If the majority of their career they did not play well, I don’t think they were good. 

Bills fans are spoiled by Josh Allen because he’s consistent?  Allen isn’t the only consistent good QB.  That’s kind of the measuring stick….consistency.  

Something Cam doesn’t have.

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I just think that is how all Bills - Chiefs games are. If we kept them to say 19 in a post season game it would be 21-19 or 19-17 IMO. 

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’m on the Cam wasn’t nearly as good of a QB as Josh Allen and the only comparison they have is size-running ability train.  I’m on the Josh Allen is one of the greatest throwers of the football ever/cam newton isn’t even top 150 throwers of the football train. Josh is a great passer- Cam had a great passing season…. In which he didn’t even complete 60% of his passes.   
 

Sure-  pagano and luck is a fine comparison pre injury.  Luck is also an nfl anomaly.  What other QBs were all world, got hurt and then retired after 6 seasons?  Maybe that will happen to Josh…..  

 

this doesn’t have anything to do what colts fans thought.  if Josh gets hurt this year and retires, this debate means nothing.  Whichever HC we’d have would be starting from scratch. 

one comparison proves what exactly?

Our offense has also been extremely healthy in those losses.  Our defense has been ravaged by injuries to literally our best players almost every season

 

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I tend to evaluate players on their overall career.  If the majority of their career they did not play well, I don’t think they were good. 

Bills fans are spoiled by Josh Allen because he’s consistent?  Allen isn’t the only consistent good QB.  That’s kind of the measuring stick….consistency.  

Something Cam doesn’t have.

 

I'm going to leave you all with this because it is far too off topic.

 

The point of all of this is that we will not get unlimited chances with Josh Allen. He is 29 years old. Maybe he plays great for the next 10 or 15 years. Maybe its 5. Maybe its 3. We do not know.

 

When it was 2020, I felt like we had a very long runway. Josh had arrived as an elite player (finishing second in MVP voting) the Bills had their best season since 1995, an AFCCG defeat to the defending Super Bowl champs, and our championship window was wide open.

 

And now here we are, 5 years later. Same exact spot. Offensive and defensive cornerstones have come and gone. Same exact spot. 5 years of drafts and free agents. Same exact spot. Let's look at some of those constants through those 5 years.

 

Josh Allen is excellent. He tends to perform very well, even in playoff defeats. We all agree with this. There is no meaningful way to try to improve on Josh Allen, and it would be foolhardy to even attempt.

 

Injuries and bad luck are unable to be controlled.  I am down for whatever voodoo or black magic or shamrock stuff you all would like to try.

 

The other constants are the GM and the HC.

 

The GM's personnel decisions have been discussed ad naseum, but there's room for improvement there, right?

 

And finally we come to the finale, the head coach. The defensive head coach who seems to have his defense play one of the worst games of the year, EVERY YEAR, in the biggest game of the year (the last one).  Constant. Consistency.

 

If we weren't all Bills fans, we would all have a chuckle at this version of the Bills, who despite performing at a high level just about every regular season, collapse defensively EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the postseason. We usually reserve words like "chokers" or "frauds" for teams like the Ravens or the Cowboys, but honestly, we are kind of right there with them.

 

Suffice it to say, there is one person employed by the Bills that I am 100% convinced is good enough to win a Superbowl and his name is Josh Allen. I'm not convinced anyone else is good enough. I am convinced that McD and Beane are good enough to make the playoffs and lose. That's what they have proven to me.

 

I have no problem with anyone's faith alternatively, but that's what it is. And I have lost that faith.  0-4 will do that to you. I also wonder if some of the players have lost that faith as well.

 

As far as individual players missing or injured each season, can anyone name all the starting DBs from the 2020 Buccaneers? I can't. 

 

What about the starting DBs from the 2021 Bengals? I can't.

 

Do you know who was injured in the first Q of the 2023 Chiefs divisional round game? Their starting safety.

 

Do you know who was traded in the 2024 offseason? The Chiefs best starting outside CB because they couldn't afford him.

 

So miss me with the "we were down a starting safety 3 years ago which is really the reason the Chiefs had another elite offensive performance and ripped through McD's defense AGAIN."

 

The whole point of a defensive coach, I thought, was to hold up their end of the bargain when paired with an elite offensive talent. Josh doesn't need an elite OC to be elite. But he does need support from the other side of the ball when he is pacing on the sideline. He hasn't gotten it.

 

So now, coming off an offseason almost solely dedicated to the defensive side of the ball, what is stuff going to be if they get ripped through, again? 

 

"We just need a few more bounces or luck, we are so close"

 

"(Insert player here) had a hamstring injury which is why the Chiefs averaged 9 yards per play"

 

Same story, different day.

 

It's gotten really freakin old. And I love the Bills. I even really like McD, I think he's a good coach. But I have officially had enough of running it back and not seeing an ROI on our defensive investment.

 

Good luck to you all and I really do hope you are right. Because I know McD and Beane aren't going anywhere, so to me, they either get it done or we will never see ultimate victory in the Josh Allen era.

Edited yesterday at 05:50 PM by FireChans

[NewEra]

I’m not against firing McD.  It’s just a massive roll of the dice and we could end up much worse.  We’re losing to one team every year (minus the bengals and there was much more to that loss than McD).  We’re losing to a dynasty that is up there with the best in nfl history.  They have the HoF QB, pass catcher, pass rusher + all time play callers on offense and defense.  We aren’t losing to randoms every year.  We’re losing to a dynasty in games where, if one play had played out differently, we would’ve won.

while also being on the shite end of the cosmic stick.
 

I would’ve been happy to fire McD to roll the dice on Ben Johnson.  Well, we missed that opportunity.  So who’s next?  Which coach would be that guy worth rolling the dice on?  To further discuss- start another thread 

 

sucks this is in the Keon Coleman thread-  I’ll stop here. Sorry all, I tried to get it back on track but FC can’t stop, won’t stop. 😉 
 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

28 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

 

I'm going to leave you all with this because it is far too off topic.

 

The point of all of this is that we will not get unlimited chances with Josh Allen. He is 29 years old. Maybe he plays great for the next 10 or 15 years. Maybe its 5. Maybe its 3. We do not know.

 

When it was 2020, I felt like we had a very long runway. Josh had arrived as an elite player (finishing second in MVP voting) the Bills had their best season since 1995, an AFCCG defeat to the defending Super Bowl champs, and our championship window was wide open.

 

And now here we are, 5 years later. Same exact spot. Offensive and defensive cornerstones have come and gone. Same exact spot. 5 years of drafts and free agents. Same exact spot. Let's look at some of those constants through those 5 years.

 

Josh Allen is excellent. He tends to perform very well, even in playoff defeats. We all agree with this. There is no meaningful way to try to improve on Josh Allen, and it would be foolhardy to even attempt.

 

Injuries and bad luck are unable to be controlled.  I am down for whatever voodoo or black magic or shamrock stuff you all would like to try.

 

The other constants are the GM and the HC.

 

The GM's personnel decisions have been discussed ad naseum, but there's room for improvement there, right?

 

And finally we come to the finale, the head coach. The defensive head coach who seems to have his defense play one of the worst games of the year, EVERY YEAR, in the biggest game of the year (the last one).  Constant. Consistency.

 

If we weren't all Bills fans, we would all have a chuckle at this version of the Bills, who despite performing at a high level just about every regular season, collapse defensively EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the postseason. We usually reserve words like "chokers" or "frauds" for teams like the Ravens or the Cowboys, but honestly, we are kind of right there with them.

 

Suffice it to say, there is one person employed by the Bills that I am 100% convinced is good enough to win a Superbowl and his name is Josh Allen. I'm not convinced anyone else is good enough. I am convinced that McD and Beane are good enough to make the playoffs and lose. That's what they have proven to me.

 

I have no problem with anyone's faith alternatively, but that's what it is. And I have lost that faith.  0-4 will do that to you. I also wonder if some of the players have lost that faith as well.

 

As far as individual players missing or injured each season, can anyone name all the starting DBs from the 2020 Buccaneers? I can't. 

 

What about the starting DBs from the 2021 Bengals? I can't.

 

Do you know who was injured in the first Q of the 2023 Chiefs divisional round game? Their starting safety.

 

Do you know who was traded in the 2024 offseason? The Chiefs best starting outside CB because they couldn't afford him.

 

So miss me with the "we were down a starting safety 3 years ago which is really the reason the Chiefs had another elite offensive performance and ripped through McD's defense AGAIN."

 

The whole point of a defensive coach, I thought, was to hold up their end of the bargain when paired with an elite offensive talent. Josh doesn't need an elite OC to be elite. But he does need support from the other side of the ball when he is pacing on the sideline. He hasn't gotten it.

 

So now, coming off an offseason almost solely dedicated to the defensive side of the ball, what is stuff going to be if they get ripped through, again? 

 

"We just need a few more bounces or luck, we are so close"

 

"(Insert player here) had a hamstring injury which is why the Chiefs averaged 9 yards per play"

 

Same story, different day.

 

It's gotten really freakin old. And I love the Bills. I even really like McD, I think he's a good coach. But I have officially had enough of running it back and not seeing an ROI on our defensive investment.

 

Good luck to you all and I really do hope you are right. Because I know McD and Beane aren't going anywhere, so to me, they either get it done or we will never see ultimate victory in the Josh Allen era.

 

All this when I said Cam Newton wasn't a good QB?

 

Of the 53 man roster, no one else is good enough to win a Super Bowl except Josh Allen?  What actually do you mean there?  Like their talents aren't good enough to be on a Super Bowl winning team?  

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m not against firing McD.  It’s just a massive roll of the dice and we could end up much worse.  We’re losing to one team every year (minus the bengals and there was much more to that loss than McD).  We’re losing to a dynasty that is up there with the best in nfl history.  They have the HoF QB, pass catcher, pass rusher + all time play callers on offense and defense.  We aren’t losing to randoms every year.  We’re losing to a dynasty in games where, if one play had played out differently, we would’ve won.

while also being on the shite end of the cosmic stick.
 

I would’ve been happy to fire McD to roll the dice on Ben Johnson.  Well, we missed that opportunity.  So who’s next?  Which coach would be that guy worth rolling the dice on?  To further discuss- start another thread 

 

sucks this is in the Keon Coleman thread-  I’ll stop here. Sorry all, I tried to get it back on track but FC can’t stop, won’t stop. 😉 
 

 

It's so tough because the defensive roster has been built pretty specifically for McDermott's defensive scheme.  Moving on from him would be a likely lost year the following season.  Plus, you'd lose a lot of quality position coaches on both sides of the ball.  

 

The one scenario that would make sense to me is making Joe Brady the head coach if McDermott's defense underachieved in the playoffs again.  Brady will be hired elsewhere next year if he repeats anything close to what he achieved last year so why not make the head coach him.  Keeping Beane in place and most of the staff in place while either keeping Babich as DC or finding some other defensive coordinator that knows McD's scheme.  That way Josh Allen would have more stability at the offensive coordinator position as opposed to a revolving door of offensive coordinators he's had up to this point in his career.

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m not against firing McD.  It’s just a massive roll of the dice and we could end up much worse.  We’re losing to one team every year (minus the bengals and there was much more to that loss than McD).  We’re losing to a dynasty that is up there with the best in nfl history.  They have the HoF QB, pass catcher, pass rusher + all time play callers on offense and defense.  We aren’t losing to randoms every year.  We’re losing to a dynasty in games where, if one play had played out differently, we would’ve won.

while also being on the shite end of the cosmic stick.
 

I would’ve been happy to fire McD to roll the dice on Ben Johnson.  Well, we missed that opportunity.  So who’s next?  Which coach would be that guy worth rolling the dice on?  To further discuss- start another thread 

 

sucks this is in the Keon Coleman thread-  I’ll stop here. Sorry all, I tried to get it back on track but FC can’t stop, won’t stop. 😉 
 

 

there are 4 pages previously re-litigating a play that happened when Keon Coleman was still at FSU. 

 

Blaming me for taking this train off the tracks is deeply unfair.