Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Another elbow injury?  I knew of the hand,but not elbow again.  Is it time he just gets it fixed before it fully tears on him?

No.  He was dealing with that in 2023 I believe.  I think it was fine last year.

[T.E.]

I am someone who wasn't particularly charmed by his opening press conference like most people seemingly were. He seemed like a total space cadet.

 

That being said, he made enough plays his rookie year to make me bullish on his future. Let's give this guy a chance before we start burying him.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

So... yeah.

The deep middle argument is nonsense. But if you don't know the context of the stats you're seeing, you may think its something wrong with Josh.

it's not.

So, with the game on the line in the most important moment in the season they think, "Hey, let's attack the part of the field where we've been awful at."  The Bills again were the only team that didn't complete a pass of more than 20 air yards in the regular season (0-15) and was one of four in the postseason (touchdown to Kincaid against Steelers).

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

So, with the game on the line in the most important moment in the season they think, "Hey, let's attack the part of the field where we've been awful at."  The Bills again were the only team that didn't complete a pass of more than 20 air yards in the regular season (0-15) and was one of four in the postseason (touchdown to Kincaid against Steelers).

Did you just say the bills and Josh Allen did not complete a 20-yard air completion all season? 

 

They certainly did

 

One quadrant of the field is different than not completing a pass 20 plus yards down field technically

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Did you just say the bills and Josh Allen did not complete a 20-yard air completion all season? 

 

They certainly did

Air yards to the middle of the field past 20 yards.  He was 0 for 15 in the regular season.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

So, with the game on the line in the most important moment in the season they think, "Hey, let's attack the part of the field where we've been awful at."  

 

Wow, you really didn’t understand that post you just quoted.

 

We are *not* awful at throwing to the middle of the field. As that post shows in detail, the middle of the field stats look bad for most great offenses because:

 

1) Cover 2 forces you to throw elsewhere

2) The few times (literally about 10 times per season on average) we throw there, it’s often a deep throwaway or hail mary.

 

It’s not that teams can’t throw there. It’s that, most of the time, the defense takes that middle away. But if they don’t, you definitely want to take it - especially in the endzone.

 

Long story short: Youre making a faulty comparison. You’re thinking “bad stats = bad at throwing there”. But that’s not the case in this situation.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Air yards to the middle of the field past 20 yards.  He was 0 for 15 in the regular season.

Well that's maybe something you should add to the Post 

 

Because he had passes that were 20 yards downfield completed every year of his career and a good amount of them

 

I don't think the post I quoted from you specifically said your metric 

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Einstein said:

Long story short: Youre making a faulty comparison. You’re thinking “bad stats = bad at throwing there”. But that’s not the case in this situation.

No.  I'm thinking don't call a play there where you've had no success all season. 

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well that's maybe something you should add to the Post 

 

Because he had passes that were 20 yards downfield completed every year of his career and a good amount of them

 

I don't think the post I quoted from you specifically said your metric 

I should've but we've been back and forth all fricken day today quoting that metric on this thread.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  I'm thinking don't call a play there where you've had no success all season. 

I should've but we've been back and forth all fricken day today quoting that metric on this thread.

Your good bud I just went to last page

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

No.  I'm thinking don't call a play there where you've had no success all season. 

 

 

That logic would make sense if our struggles came from just being bad at running it. 

 

But if the real reason we struggled was because defenses were taking that area away — and now you’re in a game where the defense is leaving that area wide open…

 

Then you absolutely take it.

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

So, with the game on the line in the most important moment in the season they think, "Hey, let's attack the part of the field where we've been awful at."  The Bills again were the only team that didn't complete a pass of more than 20 air yards in the regular season (0-15) and was one of four in the postseason (touchdown to Kincaid against Steelers).

In the most important game KC brought a blitz on us that they haven't put on film.

 

I get you cant stand Allen and bash him at every opportunity, but stop reaching to do so.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I get you cant stand Allen and bash him at every opportunity

 

This is what it comes down to.

For both Doc and Bill.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

This is what it comes down to.

For both Doc and Bill.

It's past obvious at this point.

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

In the most important game KC brought a blitz on us that they haven't put on film.

 

I get you cant stand Allen and bash him at every opportunity, but stop reaching to do so.

Wait.  What?  How do you put any of that on Allen?  He threw an incredible pass falling backwards and Kincaid just dropped it.