Orlando Buffalo Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago I am Catholic and believe I am a good Catholic. This new Pope seems to be a better version of Francis but we will see. The worst thing I have seen from him is that he is a White Sox fan( disgusting) but I will judge him on what he himself does. 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago On 5/11/2025 at 1:30 PM, K D said: 15 week abortion? You are sick. That's nearly 4 months. The baby can hear the parents at 4 months. You want it to hear the vacuum as they suck it out of the womb and chop it up into little pieces? Libs are sick 🤢 UGH. I came here for the Bills schedule release talk, but here we go… To be clear: 16 weeks is the lowest theoretical limit at which scientists think auditory sensing can begin, and 12 weeks is the absolute lowest at which general sentience can begin. ~90% of all performed abortions fall within the first 12 weeks, ~95% fall within the first 16 weeks, and the remaining ~5% are mostly comprised of special situations related to the mother’s or baby’s health (as opposed to the “YOLO…like, whatevs!” kind). If accepting 15 weeks as a legal abortion limit makes me a “sick baby-murdering lib,” then polling data on this topic indicates A LOT of centrists, independents, conservatives, Christians, and Catholics to be at least equally as “sick.” Also, a very clear distinction needs to be made between what someone may personally believe and what that person is willing to legally impose on others. If you want to talk about “sick” beliefs, let’s talk about the following: forcing a woman (or child!) to give birth to her rapist’s baby, removing the social safety net for unprepared mothers forced to give birth, and systematically starving children in an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Strange how we choose to demarcate our empathic and punitive thoughts, no?? It’s almost as if concern for the fetus/unborn baby/child isn’t quite the morally compelling force that we assume?? What evolutionary biology and anthropology (and economics!) tell us is that female fecundity is a highly valued “resource” and is subject to “market regulations” like any other economic good or service. Those who seek to regulate are seeking to adjust a supply/demand curve. I’ll leave my dear readers to ponder all the motives, but in my opinion, the socioeconomic decay of late-stage neoliberalism and the rise of Christian nationalism are correlated. My male peers are struggling in this bullsh!t economy, but they are misdirecting their economic consternations and insecurities. Oh my God…this thread is so tedious…more so than my own posts. Call me when someone is ready to talk about animal rights and the Catholic Church…or Leh-nerd’s unethical diet… 1 1
Motorin' Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I am Catholic and believe I am a good Catholic. This new Pope seems to be a better version of Francis but we will see. The worst thing I have seen from him is that he is a White Sox fan( disgusting) but I will judge him on what he himself does. You can't judge someone who grows up on the South Side of Chicago for being a White Sox fan. That's like growing up in Orchard Park and being a Bills fan, there is no other way. Anyways, he actually reminds me of Pope John Paul. Edited 6 hours ago by Motorin'
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 23 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: UGH. I came here for the Bills schedule release talk, but here we go… To be clear: 16 weeks is the lowest theoretical limit at which scientists think auditory sensing can begin, and 12 weeks is the absolute lowest at which general sentience can begin. ~90% of all performed abortions fall within the first 12 weeks, ~95% fall within the first 16 weeks, and the remaining ~5% are mostly comprised of special situations related to the mother’s or baby’s health (as opposed to the “YOLO…like, whatevs!” kind). If accepting 15 weeks as a legal abortion limit makes me a “sick baby-murdering lib,” then polling data on this topic indicates A LOT of centrists, independents, conservatives, Christians, and Catholics to be at least equally as “sick.” Also, a very clear distinction needs to be made between what someone may personally believe and what that person is willing to legally impose on others. If you want to talk about “sick” beliefs, let’s talk about the following: forcing a woman (or child!) to give birth to her rapist’s baby, removing the social safety net for unprepared mothers forced to give birth, and systematically starving children in an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Strange how we choose to demarcate our empathic and punitive thoughts, no?? It’s almost as if concern for the fetus/unborn baby/child isn’t quite the morally compelling force that we assume?? What evolutionary biology and anthropology (and economics!) tell us is that female fecundity is a highly valued “resource” and is subject to “market regulations” like any other economic good or service. Those who seek to regulate are seeking to adjust a supply/demand curve. I’ll leave my dear readers to ponder all the motives, but in my opinion, the socioeconomic decay of late-stage neoliberalism and the rise of Christian nationalism are correlated. My male peers are struggling in this bullsh!t economy, but they are misdirecting their economic consternations and insecurities. Oh my God…this thread is so tedious…more so than my own posts. Call me when someone is ready to talk about animal rights and the Catholic Church…or Leh-nerd’s unethical diet… I’m not certain that this thread exceeds the tedium of your posts. Sometimes, you carry the day quite effectively. My body, my diet, my right to choose. I don’t judge your hypocrisy for advocating the wholesale slaughter of plants in search of the perfect tofu chicken sammy or your flirtation and infatuation with certain climate-destructive goods and services—-oh, wait, I do. You know better, in fact, you’ll probably be telling me you know better, and you’ll offer self-congratulatory accolades that you know better, better. You’re Trumpian in that regard. It wouldn’t take much to move me towards being a vegetarian and feasting in the corpses of certain preferred organisms instead. It’s not so much the ethical part, it’s that if I spend too long contemplating how things get from there to here, I get a little woozy. Still, enjoy that which you consume. That’s what’s really cool. 1
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