Papal Conclave

[Motorin']

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Based

 

Shocker.  This pope might be Catholic.  

 

Daaaaaa Pope!

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

I get what you’re saying, but this isn’t pure free will. The decision was guided by the Holy Spirit through the conclave. 
 

Christ instituted the Church to carry out his teachings and evangelize the world. It’s a creation of the Holy Spirit, in fact it’s the first creation of the Holy Spirit (see the Apostles’ Creed). It’s eternal. 

 

But nit the "Catholic Church."

The creation of the Church happened at Pentecost and has nothing to do with the establishment of  the Roman Catholic Church.

That's why it didn't exist for hundreds of years, and why Peter was never the head of anything.

 

It's also clear that indulgences, relics, worship of the dead, any interlocutor between God and man, worship of Mary, bowing before perceived idols and a host of other things that are called "traditions," are viewed as heresy.

 

Another word for "traditions," is "inventions."

 

Believe what is in the Bible, not what has been invented.

 

By the way, the concept of God ever intervening is the selection of historical popes should make one run for cover.

 

I think it's a very important office, but it's man made.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

But nit the "Catholic Church."

The creation of the Church happened at Pentecost and has nothing to do with the establishment of  the Roman Catholic Church.

That's why it didn't exist for hundreds of years, and why Peter was never the head of anything.

 

It's also clear that indulgences, relics, worship of the dead, any interlocutor between God and man, worship of Mary, bowing before perceived idols and a host of other things that are called "traditions," are viewed as heresy.

 

Another word for "traditions," is "inventions."

 

Believe what is in the Bible, not what has been invented.

 

By the way, the concept of God ever intervening is the selection of historical popes should make one run for cover.

 

I think it's a very important office, but it's man made.

we don't worship Mary.  We pray for her intercession.  We don't worship the dead.  Indulgences are not bought or sold anymore.  We don't bow before idols.  Wow, you hate our religion enough to speak disinformation.

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

 Indulgences are not bought or sold anymore.  
 

 

For the record that was never a “thing” endorsed by the Church.  
 

A few corrupt medieval bishops did that.   
 

Just fyi.   

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

For the record that was never a “thing” endorsed by the Church.  
 

A few corrupt medieval bishops did that.   
 

Just fyi.   

tell it to sherpa.  straighten him out on his nonsense.

[GETTOTHE50]

i prefer my popes to not have a tweeting history and be more conservative with immigration, but what can you do i guess

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

we don't worship Mary.  We pray for her intercession.  We don't worship the dead.  Indulgences are not bought or sold anymore.  We don't bow before idols.  Wow, you hate our religion enough to speak disinformation.

 

Sure.

I have been interested in the church's backing away from the Mary thing over the last decade or so in particular.

Of course there is Mary worship.

Altars for her, constant prayers, even the one spoken by the new pope today.

I was listening to his speech and I can understand enough to hear that he used the word intercessor in either Italian or Latin.

Ever hear Jesus say we needed an intercessor?

What is the rosary? Is that not a prayer to Mary.

What does the Bible say about that.

"Don’t recite the same prayer over and over as the heathen do,..."

That is exactly what the rosary is. 

 

Don't worship the dead? What's the nonsense about relics. There's even a grading system for them., as I recall, on a scale of four.

How about human body parts in church's?

Know anything about that?

Over 40 altars inside St. Peters to other people.

 

So they were just "wrong" about indulgences?

Why was Purgatory invented?

See anything in the Bible about that?

Jesus redemption wasn't quite good enough so believers need further cleansing after death, and conveniently, a market for them can be established to fund St. Peter's in the 1500's? 

 

Why is there no history suggesting anyone thought Peter was of some kind of primacy for hundreds of years, or that he was ever the head of any church anywhere. Then in Vatican 1, using the self proclaimed infallibility of the church doctrine, they claimed it had always been known.

No evidence of that anywhere.

 

How about this infallibility thing when speaking ex cathedra. The recently deceased pope said a lot of things, but never claimed it. 

 

Where is the canonization of saints justified? Now you can even get an accelerated version.

 

This isn't any disdain for Catholics, no matter how you claim it.

This is pointing out invented traditions that have no basis, just as the Pharisees added on to Mosaic law by tradition, and were chastised by Jesus for it, so they had him killed.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by sherpa

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Sure.

I have been interested in the church's backing away from the Mary thing over the last decade or so in particular.

Of course there is Mary worship.

Altars for her, constant prayers, even the one spoken by the new pope today.

I was listening to his speech and I can understand enough to hear that he used the word intercessor in either Italian or Latin.

Ever hear Jesus say we needed an intercessor?

What is the rosary? Is that not a prayer to Mary.

What does the Bible say about that.

"Don’t recite the same prayer over and over as the heathen do,..."

That is exactly what the rosary is. 

 

Don't worship the dead? What's the nonsense about relics. There's even a grading system for them., as I recall, on a scale of four.

How about human body parts in church's?

Know anything about that?

Over 40 altars inside St. Peters.

 

So they were just "wrong" about indulgences?

Why was Purgatory invented?

See anything in the Bible about that?

Jesus redemption wasn't quite good enough so believers need further cleansing after death, and conveniently, a market for them can be established to fund St. Peter's in the 1500's? 

 

Why is there no history suggesting anyone thought Peter was of some kind of primacy for hundreds of years, or that he was ever the head of any church anywhere. Then in Vatican 1, using the self proclaimed infallibility of the church doctrine, they claimed it had always been known.

No evidence of that anywhere.

 

How about this infallibility thing when speaking ex cathedra. The recently deceased pope said a lot of things, but never claimed it. 

 

Where is the canonization of saints justified? Now you can even get an accelerated version.

 

this isn't any disdain for Catholics.

This is pointing out invented traditions that have no basis, just as the Pharisees added on to Mosaic law by tradition, and were chastised by Jesus for it.

 

 

I stopped after the relics part.  Yes, I've seen several.  I don't believe all are real.  But do they hold some spiritual power/  Don't know.  I do know that I've been around objects that give me the hebe gebees.  We bought a little indosian God carving that was just spooky.  Threw it in the dump.  Ever been in a house that just doesn't feel right?  A relative trades Nazi daggers.  I felt sick when he showed me.  Says he makes good money.  Not worth it...

 

So if there are objects with bad Karma, why not ones with Good?

Edited 11 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[K D]

So it's come out that the Pope is a registered Republican who is for:

- gun control

- pro immigration 

- open borders

- silent on gay marriage

- climate change advocate

- capitalism critic

 

He's Left of Obama and Biden on most issues

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, K D said:

So it's come out that the Pope is a registered Republican who is for:

- gun control

- pro immigration 

- open borders

- silent on gay marriage

- climate change advocate

- capitalism critic

 

He's Left of Obama and Biden on most issues

 

You can't win em all😎

He'll have a tough row to hoe.  The world's a mess.  God, please help him!

Edited 10 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[sherpa]

20 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I stopped after the relics part.  Yes, I've seen several.  I don't believe all are real.  But do they hold some spiritual power/  Don't know.  I do know that I've been around objects that give me the hebe gebees.  We bought a little indosian God carving that was just spooky.  Threw it in the dump.  Ever been in a house that just doesn't feel right?  A relative trades Nazi daggers.  I felt sick when he showed me.  Says he makes good money.  Not worth it...

 

So if there are objects with bad Karma, why not ones with Good?

 

Because It's specifically warned against in that pesky Bible thing, just as graven images are.

 

I have no concern over what you believe, and no interest in changing anyone's views on this.

 

What I do dislike is any attempt to marginalize people by claiming they hate" something when simply pointing out known facts.

I don't hate anything or anybody.

 

[Andy1]

I hope I’m wrong but in the coming months, I fully expect Trump to insult, mock or demean Pope Leo. Trump will call it a joke or claim it is not an insult as he usually does. Trump will feel the need to knock the new Pope down a notch. A man on the world stage who draws bigger crowds and more admiration than him; and who speaks a message of love for others and who criticizes or opposes any of Trumps actions will drive him nuts. Interesting choice by the cardinals. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

I hope I’m wrong but in the coming months, I fully expect Trump to insult, mock or demean Pope Leo. Trump will call it a joke or claim it is not an insult as he usually does. Trump will feel the need to knock the new Pope down a notch. A man on the world stage who draws bigger crowds and more admiration than him; and who speaks a message of love for others and who criticizes or opposes any of Trumps actions will drive him nuts. Interesting choice by the cardinals. 

I hope you're wrong.  Or that whole anti Christ thing has some legs.

[Big Blitz]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

So people who think they can follow Christ "in their own way" without being part of the body, are, unfortunately, living a distortion of what is really an authentic experience.

 

distortion is a measured statement.  He's not saying you must be Catholic to go to heaven.  That was settled a Pope or 2 ago...

[B-Man]

 

 

I'm just loving these "what real Catholics should think" lessons from Joey.

 

 

 

Meanwhile.

 

 

 

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[stevestojan]

So, we have like 72 hours until the orange blob says something completely inappropriate about the new Pope, right?