I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

[Low Positive]

OMG!!!! Somebody said something positive about the Buffalo Bills on Two Bills Drive that turned out to be wrong! Let's bump the thread after loss!

[Your Brown Eye]

It is very rare that a OP is able to score every single emoji on a single post... you Sir are a true gentleman and scholar

 

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   Kirby, it’s been out in plain site for years. And it isn’t just at receiver.

   Beane fills the roster with bargain basement signings en masse and hopes he will hit on a few. He has gotten lucky a few times but mostly not.

   All the old ad nauseum discussions come into play. Is it Josh lifting everyone up?, is the coaching actually not that bad? Are the margins just that close between good and bad teams? 
   In the end, for me, you are what your record says you are. It hasn’t worked and IMO it won’t work going forward.

 

The one big swing he took was on Von. It was the right decision at the time and is the right decision with hindsight. It didn’t work out but you took the right big swing.

[YodaMan79]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The one big swing he took was on Von. It was the right decision at the time and is the right decision with hindsight. It didn’t work out but you took the right big swing.

I can’t disagree with this take more, wow. Philosophically, I have no idea how anyone could land there. It’s such a different lens than how I see the team.

This would actually be a great debate over a couple drinks, because clearly we’re coming at this from completely opposite angles.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

I can’t disagree with this take more, wow. Philosophically, I have no idea how anyone could land there. It’s such a different lens than how I see the team.

This would actually be a great debate over a couple drinks, because clearly we’re coming at this from completely opposite angles.

They were 1 elite pass rusher from getting by KC. That wasn’t a long play. That was meant to instantly put them over the top. He was just coming off getting the Rams over the top. If healthy, they would have had 2 to 3 years to win one (or more). You had prime Josh and were 13 seconds away from a Super Bowl. That wasn’t time to worry about 3 years from now. It didn’t work but I absolutely, 100% supported it at the time and still do. 
 

On a side note, I’d love to have the conversation over some drinks. 🤣🤣 I’ve gotten into some good bourbons over the last few years. Let’s do it!! TBD Christmas party!!

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

I didn’t mean to imply you did either, but I do recall us having an argument on where Shakir maxes out on the efficiency/volume curve, and I was of the opinion that 2024 was the ceiling.

Our disagreement was really his ceiling as a player vs his ceiling as a Buffalo Bill under a Joe Brady offense. Whatever you think his ceiling is here with Brady, I think it is higher if he was on another team outside Brady’s offense.  
 

He was on a 1000 yard pace last year had he not missed 2 1/2 games (game he left early getting hurt, game he missed while hurt, and week 18 when we sat out top players) he would have been a 1000+ yard receiver.  And that’s on an offense that under utilizes him and forces way too many throws to him at or near the LOS.  
 

If he was on a team playing next to a legit WR1 in a passing offense, like say the Rams next to Nacua, I think it’s quite plausible he could add another couple hundred yards to his production.  Especially if he’s getting more than just bubble screens thrown to him half the time.  Or put him on a team that knows how to maximize his talents like KC and he would feast.

 

So where we disagree is that his production has peaked here overall based on his abilities.  Where we do agree is that he shouldn’t be the top target WR1 on a team and his production ceiling here under Joe Brady is what we are seeing, especially with us missing a true WR1 and any downfield threat around him.  But he’s better than what we get out of him here even though he’s been pretty damn good here.
 

 

Edited 19 minutes ago by Alphadawg7

[BuffaloBillyG]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:27 AM, Thurman#1 said:

Deeper, yes, I think that's completely legit.

 

Better? Without Diggs? No, absolutely not, unless somebody like Coleman or Claypool takes a huge step up. But could they be a functional efficient group that can move the ball and give defenses a lot of trouble? Yeah, I think so, particularly with Josh throwing to them and a run game that threatens.

Wonder what he's up to these days. Kinda shocked they haven't revisited him being here as McDermott and Beane had a lot of glowing things to say about him. 

[BillsFan130]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Diggs was getting fed at the expense of the team.  Personally, I thought Dorsey got scapegoated for giving the world what it wants.......Josh Allen throwing the ball all over the field.   But Diggs was getting doubled and that allowed teams to put CB1 on Gabe Davis and make throwing to him extremely unproductive.  The personnel wasn't there to make that the right approach and I thought Dorsey had already begun the changes a couple weeks prior that Brady would further lean into.  They lost that Denver game because of a substitution error by McDermott at the end of the game.   Dorsey got scapegoated but as I said at the time it wasn't a big dropoff and a shot in the arm couldn't hurt.  Brady was capable.  

 

They went from 5-5 at the time and then won 23 of their next 27 meaningful regular season games under Brady.

 

The issue here isn't the OC.

 

Does he have some ineffective calls we hate every week?  Yes, but that only seems like a HUGE problem because the margin for error has diminished as the available talent has.   As impotent as they've looked on the road they might have won those Atlanta and Houston games just having Glass Kincaid healthy.

https://youtu.be/UOknd4MmQOE?si=eB3GvjQ2OAgc0EIQ

 

I would highly recommend listening to Joe Marinos all 22 if you think Joe Brady isn't a problem.

 

Couple main things he goes over, which doesn't even include some of his goofy play calls:

 

1. Bills had a 5 man protection 90 percent of the time against Houston... Even though anyone could see their protection couldn't hold up and factoring in they were playing with a backup right tackle for parts of the game, the bills refused to help their o line with an extra blocker.

 

2. Bills relied way too much on mesh- These routes take forever to develop. So Joe Brady is spamming this concept, with a 5 man protection scheme that couldn't hold up🤮

 

3. Houston gave a ton of light boxes. Bills averaged 6 yards a run, but Cook only had 17 carries in the game.

No one is saying he has a ton to work with. But that doesn't excuse Joe Brady.

 

And This is far from Joe Brady's only bad game. He is absolutely horrible at making in game adjustments