Diggs traded to Texans for picks

[BarleyNY]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The only issue is his going to a new team, a new offense, a new QB, new guys to compete with for targets. Ideally he comes in and is the alpha dog he's been most of his career and has another top 5 season to allow him to find a bigger deal or sign wherever he wants next year. Yet what happens if the pasture isn't green on this side or he gets hurt? He's betting on himself which I'd say usually a good thing based on his history yet way his season ended last season and all new things coming up in 2024 he might end up making a mistake. As the saying goes, only time will tell. 

 

It isn’t riskier for Diggs to have the one year deal versus the old one. His contract had no guarantees beyond 2024 so 2025 and after would’ve effectively been a team option. Roster bonuses eliminated any injury risk to the Texans of having to keep and pay him. Obviously a multi year contract with guaranteed money beyond 2024 would’ve been better for Diggs, but he got the next best thing. 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yes, that's how narratives work. 

 

At the same time, it's not Brady's work that put up two defensive TDs in those games in weak scoring games to prevent that from being 4-3.  Playing the Chargers and their 24th ranked with another relatively weak offensive showing, with them playing without their best the players, Herbert, Allen, and Bosa, in yet another squeaker won in the last seconds, prevented that from sliding to 3-4.

 

That's additional information that someone analyzing the situation would consider valuable.  Most want the most simplistic views possible.  

 

There's plenty of data and info it there to be able to reasonably come to the conclusion that Brady's in over his head and under McD's thumb in that way.  

 

No need to argue it.  I'll play the fool for now.  Just saying that there's plenty of info at anyone's disposal to put together a more accurate assessment.  People at large prefer the emotional approach however.  Which is fine.  Again, nothing we say here changes anything.  Some simply see beyond the superficial.  

 

 

 

Many football games turn on a small number of plays, including defensive plays.  Let's take defensive plays out of every game then.

 

There was a lot going on after Brady took over, including an apparent determination to demonstrate that the Bills had a run game beyond Josh Allen

 

No offense (see what I did there?) but your track record doesn't position you as a font of perceptive football wisdom who, unlike the rest of us peons, can see beyond the superficial, overcome any emotion, and provide more accurate assessments.   If people don't choose to engage with you, it's not because you're somehow wiser, it's because it's not satisfying to attempt discussion with someone who will argue vehemently for one POV, flips his stance when it suits him, and postures about how superior he is.

[Augie]

45 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Now do that with weeks 1-6 removed

 

Go on. I know you can

 

 

I believe Shakir finished the season (last 8-10 games?) with a few more yards than Diggs. The thing that really jumps out is that Shakir did it on 38 targets, while Diggs had 80 targets. 

[Beck Water]

11 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Bye Felicia.  Still won 6 in a row despite you quitting in games.   

 

Graham is being a little disingenuous here.  The only game I can find where Sherfield played more offensive snaps was Dallas, and that was clearly because the Bills came in with a game plan to run all over Dallas and Sherfield >> Diggs at run blocking.

[Nineforty]

12 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I do think a slight reframing is helpful: 

 

instead of calling it dead money, the bills are accounting for $31m in previously paid dollars that they would need to account for whether they kept him or not.
 

they do however save $22m in future guarantees

Yeah, no. Its dead money. 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

Yeah, no. Its dead money. 

 

The $ was already paid.  The move cost an additional 3.2 mil this year against the cap  and freed up around 60 million in future years cap space.  27 next year.

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I believe Shakir finished the season (last 8-10 games?) with a few more yards than Diggs. The thing that really jumps out is that Shakir did it on 38 targets, while Diggs had 80 targets. 

 

The first part of this is actually true.  From the game Brady took over (NYJ), Diggs had 349 reg season yards on 63 targets, while Shakir had 363 yds on 24 targets.  That would be the last 7 games.  I look at that because it's an objective break point (changing OCs)

[CaliBills]

I am happy this happened.  

 

It is like the whole argument that Tom Brady was only successful with Belichek as HC.

 

Same with Tyreek Hill (who I do personally believe is much better at making his QB look better than Diggs) but when he left KC, they said who will Holmes throw to other than Kelce.

 

Both QB's went on to win a SB. 

 

Before Diggs got there, Josh was figuring himself out as a QB in the NFL and how he needs/wants to lead.  Diggs helped show Josh somethings, maybe called out Josh on how to work, but also in that Josh learned on what he doesn't want around him and that is a look at me, talk about me, I work the hardest, I. I. I.  type of player as that schtik gets old quickly.  

 

This is going to be a fun year to see Josh's growth as a QB and as a leader overall.  I think its time for him to start holding others accountable, whether it is vocalizing on the sideline or just giving the look (like hey do F'ing better) like Brady/Manning/Rodgers/even Maholmes do.  

Edited April 5 by CaliBills

[Beck Water]

27 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Diggs’ leverage was choosing the Texans. That’s particularly important with a player who has forced his way out of two teams when he had several seasons left on each of his contracts. 

 

Let me re-frame this:

Why do you think it was Diggs who chose the Texans?  Do you believe another team offered more and was rejected? 

 

Which brings up the follow-on question: If that's true, what was the leverage Diggs possessed that allowed him to choose?  Did Diggs have a trade approval clause in his contract?

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Let me re-frame this:

Why do you think it was Diggs who chose the Texans?  Do you believe another team offered more and was rejected? 

 

Which brings up the follow-on question: If that's true, what was the leverage Diggs possessed that allowed him to choose?  Did Diggs have a trade approval clause in his contract?

 

supposedly the Bills allowed him to seek a trade with any team except KC.    He's friends with Joe Mixon (speaks volumes IMO)  and likes Stroud 

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

I am happy this happened.  

 

I am not happy this happened.  I think the Bills got objectively worse - I think Beane knows it.

 

What may also be true is that it may have needed to happen.  It's possible the relationship between Allen and Diggs was irrevokably broken, and that the reason it looked at times last season as though they just weren't on the same page, is because .... they weren't, and they weren't gonna get there.

 

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

supposedly the Bills allowed him to seek a trade with any team except KC.    He's friends with Joe Mixon (speaks volumes IMO)  and likes Stroud 

 

A lot of players are allowed to seek trades, but that doesn't mean they'll find one, or that their team will accept what the player finds.

Example, Beasley was "given permission to seek a trade", but he didn't find one and was cut.

Edited April 5 by Beck Water

[PBF81]

28 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Many football games turn on a small number of plays, including defensive plays.  Let's take defensive plays out of every game then.

 

There was a lot going on after Brady took over, including an apparent determination to demonstrate that the Bills had a run game beyond Josh Allen

 

No offense (see what I did there?) but your track record doesn't position you as a font of perceptive football wisdom who, unlike the rest of us peons, can see beyond the superficial, overcome any emotion, and provide more accurate assessments.   If people don't choose to engage with you, it's not because you're somehow wiser, it's because it's not satisfying to attempt discussion with someone who will argue vehemently for one POV, flips his stance when it suits him, and postures about how superior he is.

 

Then why respond.  😉

 

 

[Beck Water]

20 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

Yeah, no. Its dead money. 

 

I mean, it's both.  It's called "dead cap" because it's a charge on the team's cap from a player whose contract is "dead" because the player is gone.

But it's also true that it's there because it represents money previously paid and amortized across the length of the contract.

 

[CaliBills]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I am not happy this happened.  I think the Bills got objectively worse - I think Beane knows it.

 

What may also be true is that it may have needed to happen.  It's possible the relationship between Allen and Diggs was irrevokably broken, and that the reason it looked at times last season as though they just weren't on the same page, is because .... they weren't, and they weren't gonna get there.

 

The unknown is scary, I get that. But its not like Diggs last half of the year was impressive even with all the targets he was thrown.  

 

Let's wait for the draft and see what happens.  I am personally excited to see how all this plays out.

Last year we didn't resign Edmunds, people worried about starting MLB and talked about how the team did nothing, yet Barnard and Milano were our best unit before injuries took place.  

 

I defer to Beane to make a decision that is best for the team and we will have a #1 WR by the start of training camp.  

 

(Note: Even if the new WR1 and Allen aren't on the same page really, it will be better than Diggs and Allen not on the same page because Allen and the new WR1 will actually work on it)

 

 

Edited April 5 by CaliBills

[Beck Water]

Just now, PBF81 said:

Then why respond.  😉

 

I think the reason for my response is clear to the astute reader - Mr " I'll play the fool for now.  Just saying that there's plenty of info at anyone's disposal to put together a more accurate assessment.  People at large prefer the emotional approach however.  Which is fine.  Again, nothing we say here changes anything.  Some simply see beyond the superficial."

[eme123]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Now do that with weeks 1-6 removed

 

Go on. I know you can

 

Spoiler: He got old and useless in 7 days time. Remarkable. 

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think the reason for my response is clear to the astute reader - Mr " I'll play the fool for now.  Just saying that there's plenty of info at anyone's disposal to put together a more accurate assessment.  People at large prefer the emotional approach however.  Which is fine.  Again, nothing we say here changes anything.  Some simply see beyond the superficial."

 

LOL

 

Let's see what everyone's take is re: Brady at seasons end. 

 

Why so vindictive?  I know I'm probably the only one stepping out with that.  Is there another?  LOL. What, you really think that people don't think that's a foolish take right now?  Of course they do.  

 

You've been on my pant leg for a couple of weeks now.  Go find someone's lawn to piss on for a while.  

 

 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

The unknown is scary, I get that. But its not like Diggs last half of the year was impressive even with all the targets he was thrown.  

 

Let's wait for the draft and see what happens.  I am personally excited to see how all this plays out.

Last year we didn't resign Edmunds, people worried about starting MLB and talked about how the team did nothing, yet Barnard and Milano were our best unit before injuries took place.  

 

I defer to Beane to make a decision that is best for the team and we will have a #1 WR by the start of training camp.  

 

(Note: Even if the new WR1 and Allen aren't on the same page really, it will be better than Diggs and Allen not on the same page because Allen and the new WR1 will actually work on it)

 

I don't like going into the draft with the mandate that we MUST come out with wide receiving firepower.

 

Edmunds who?

 

It's true that I thought the Bills D would not be as good because I, unlike Beane and McDermott, did not perceive that a 3rd round draft pick who played 111 defensive snaps in his rookie season, who looked rather "lost in space" in his only start, and who kind of looks like a twig (relatively speaking), would turn out to be a high-level defensive diagnostician and a hit-stick monster when tackling.

It's also true that Shakir really came on last season and looks fully ready to embrace a larger role, as was also true of Kincaid.  I suppose the difference is that I believe Beane and McDermott generally know what they're doing when it comes to evaluating and developing defensive talent and using what they have.

 

I lack the same faith in their assessment and development of offensive talent.  They had to spend 2 3rd round and a 2nd round pick at RB before getting one who looks pretty good.  Shakir in the the 5th round looks good, but he's not Puka Nacua.  I think they may need to take several shots in a couple drafts to replace Diggs. 

 

At least, that's my concern.

 

 

 

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Let me re-frame this:

Why do you think it was Diggs who chose the Texans?  Do you believe another team offered more and was rejected? 

 

Which brings up the follow-on question: If that's true, what was the leverage Diggs possessed that allowed him to choose?  Did Diggs have a trade approval clause in his contract?

 

Firstly, we all have seen how an unhappy Diggs acts toward his team. We saw it in Minnesota and we saw it here. Same guy. Same playbook. So no team was going to trade for him unless their expectation was that he wanted to be there and would be happy there. So Diggs had to sign off on his acceptable teams. The Texans were either that singular team or one on a short list of teams. So he chose the Texans, potentially along with others.

 

At that point it would’ve been up to the team(s) to negotiate with Beane. I highly doubt that it was a coincidence that the Texans traded with Minnesota and acquired the pick they traded for Diggs just prior. That was the compensation that got the deal done. It’s probable that it’s what the Texans had to do to match or beat another offer. 

[CaliBills]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't like going into the draft with the mandate that we MUST come out with wide receiving firepower.

 

Edmunds who?

 

It's true that I thought the Bills D would not be as good because I, unlike Beane and McDermott, did not perceive that a 3rd round draft pick who played 111 defensive snaps in his rookie season, who looked rather "lost in space" in his only start, and who kind of looks like a twig (relatively speaking), would turn out to be a high-level defensive diagnostician and a hit-stick monster when tackling.

It's also true that Shakir really came on last season and looks fully ready to embrace a larger role, as was also true of Kincaid.  I suppose the difference is that I believe Beane and McDermott generally know what they're doing when it comes to evaluating and developing defensive talent and using what they have.

 

I lack the same faith in their assessment and development of offensive talent.  They had to spend 2 3rd round and a 2nd round pick at RB before getting one who looks pretty good.  Shakir in the the 5th round looks good, but he's not Puka Nacua.  I think they may need to take several shots in a couple drafts to replace Diggs. 

 

At least, that's my concern.

 

 

 

 

I get it.  

 

But it isn't like Diggs (and Davis) were helping us get to the SB either.  Drops in at crucial times, taking himself off the field on third downs, going down easy or out of bounds instead of fighting just a little more.  He (Diggs) played for himself while talking about how much he wants to win and that was his excuse to act the way he did (on and off the field).  Even had the Bills fooled that he was that way because he wanted to win soooooo bad.  But as we all have learned, actions speak louder.  And I bet the Bills saw what he did in film reviews etc like standing around when the play is still going on, going down quickly, etc.  Which made the whole "I work so hard and I want to win so bad" seem just like weightless BS.  

A change had to happen.

 

All it takes is an opportunity to present itself and someone to take hold and run with it.