Trump​ ❤️ Tariffs

[Westside]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that justifies destroying democracy?  perhaps we should vote on that.  And we will nov 26 if trump doesn't cancel elections.

Your pearl clutching is duly noted.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Westside said:

Your pearl clutching is duly noted.

your ignorance is a forgone conclusion.

[Big Blitz]

33 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that justifies destroying democracy?  perhaps we should vote on that.  And we will nov 26 if trump doesn't cancel elections.

 

Sure thing, President Auto Pen.  

[JDHillFan]

35 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that justifies destroying democracy?  perhaps we should vote on that.  And we will nov 26 if trump doesn't cancel elections.

How does someone your age, ostensibly a man, become so over the top dramatic? Truly embarrassing. 

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Because this ***t isn’t sustainable.   

 

This is the American dream……..

You have to build more housing. I can’t say it enough. You have to increase the supply.

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The problem with this line of thinking is that we can point to these examples (Obama and Biden) which reveal how government actually works in practice.  How do we know this?  Well, see Obama and Biden.  Step back a bit further and we can look at the actions of the DOJ and special counsel and know that the government has allowable tolerance on the handling of national security (HRC) and holding, dissemination of classified material (Biden), and dealing with hostile foreign nationals attempting to derail free and fair elections (Clinton-Steele).  We know that transparency and light in the darkness is the ideal, but we also know that the ideal is not the standard. 
 

If we look at your post, @Andy1 gives you a thumbs up for your post on hypocrisy, but we’re left to wonder why he would cast his lot with a Biden presidency when he was a critical advocate and co-conspirator in Obama’s actions? 
 

I think it’s because we recognize that government actually operates in ways contrary to the way it should.  That’s the norm. That’s how it’s done.  That’s the standard.  

I could try to deflect but you're right.  We've gotten to the point where we've become reliant on the courts to strike down unconstitutional executive orders so why should we expect either side to not test the boundaries.   @Big Blitz post from above proves your point where he unknowingly pushing for more power to the executive branch because it means a victory for his side. 

 

It was my idiotic assumption that maybe the party that traditionally views the role that the federal government should be limited (Republican party).  That goes for little intervention in the free market, a strong national defense, a strong checks and balance system, the promotion of federalism, and protecting the basic liberties and rights of all legal citizens of this country.  I guess the true conservatives have been hijacked by a party where if you speak out against executive overreach when a Republican is in office you're shunned.  It really shouldn't be that way but here we are.

Edited 11 hours ago by Doc Brown

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

You have to build more housing. I can’t say it enough. You have to increase the supply.

The zoning red tape doesn't help this at all.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I could try to deflect but you're right.  We've gotten to the point where we've become reliant on the courts to strike down unconstitutional executive orders so why should we expect either side to not test the boundaries.   @Big Blitz post from above proves your point where he unknowingly pushing for more power to the executive branch because it means a victory for his side. 

 

It was my idiotic assumption that maybe the party that traditionally views the role that the federal government should be limited (Republican party).  That goes for little intervention in the free market, a strong national defense, a strong checks and balance system, the promotion of federalism, and protecting the basic liberties and rights of all legal citizens of this country.  I guess the true conservatives have been hijacked by a party where if you speak out against executive overreach when a Republican is in office you're shunned.  It really shouldn't be that way but here we are.

I sense a subliminal message is in play here. Your words say one thing, but I just have this feeling...🤔

 

It's not an idiotic assumption on your part, and I certainly would not shun you for your noble position.  However, I don't attach much emotion to this sort of things anymore.  Beyond that, if government operates the way it operates repeatedly,  the standard becomes what it becomes.  It has nothing to do with me supporting it, or raging against it, it's just how it works. 

 

I'm simply saying your belief in how government works is in direct contrast to the way it actually works. 

 

 

[Roundybout]

40 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

The zoning red tape doesn't help this at all.

Why, I think we agree again!

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Why, I think we agree again!

Should I buy a lottery ticket or prepare for the end of the world?

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I sense a subliminal message is in play here. Your words say one thing, but I just have this feeling...🤔

 

It's not an idiotic assumption on your part, and I certainly would not shun you for your noble position.  However, I don't attach much emotion to this sort of things anymore.  Beyond that, if government operates the way it operates repeatedly,  the standard becomes what it becomes.  It has nothing to do with me supporting it, or raging against it, it's just how it works. 

 

I'm simply saying your belief in how government works is in direct contrast to the way it actually works. 

 

 

Please inform me of my subliminal message.  

[BillsFanNC]

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that justifies destroying democracy?  perhaps we should vote on that.  And we will nov 26 if trump doesn't cancel elections.

Read his big beautiful bill  Nov 26 is done, toast, fini, hosta la Vista, Roger,over and out. 

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I could try to deflect but you're right.  We've gotten to the point where we've become reliant on the courts to strike down unconstitutional executive orders so why should we expect either side to not test the boundaries.   @Big Blitz post from above proves your point where he unknowingly pushing for more power to the executive branch because it means a victory for his side. 

 

It was my idiotic assumption that maybe the party that traditionally views the role that the federal government should be limited (Republican party).  That goes for little intervention in the free market, a strong national defense, a strong checks and balance system, the promotion of federalism, and protecting the basic liberties and rights of all legal citizens of this country.  I guess the true conservatives have been hijacked by a party where if you speak out against executive overreach when a Republican is in office you're shunned.  It really shouldn't be that way but here we are.

The courts have been asked to step in to the political debate for 2 reasons.

1. Court appointees have become far far far too political 

2. You have polarized politics like never before. 

The only moderation comes from the courts. Political parties no longer govern for the total population. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

 

This time President Appeals Court scores one for MAGA!  
 

 

Weeee wooooo we all having fun with all the power the Uni Party has ceded to the executive branch in order to control yo…..I mean better govern us yet?  
 

 

If you find yourself at odds with that assertion you should be on Team MAGA.  That’s what this movement is.  I know it sounds odd if you are like me and support his tariffs - but he’s playing by the rules the Uniparty set.  
 

Rules that set this country to the financial and societal brink.   
 

He's resetting the playing field.  
 

 

So climb on board Team DOGE!  Team MAGA!

 

Let’s start dismantling the size and tentacles of the Federal Government and turn it back over to the people.   
 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Big Blitz

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

54 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Please inform me of my subliminal message.  

Well, you started by suggesting I was right, then later on talked about true republicans being shunned and cast your opinion as an "idiotic assumption", which seemed at odds with the notion that I was right.  It was meant to be a light-hearted quip and appears I have missed the mark.   

 

Since I've come this far, I guess I should make sure I clarify my comments from the post.  There was a time I felt as you did, and that was right was right and wrong was wrong.  I truly meant the part of your perspective being noble.  It would be awesome if that's the way government works.  You may absolutely be correct that holding the line, staying above the fray and doing 100% the right thing is right regardless of the outcome.  Perhaps if the curren admin did, any and all future admins would follow suit.  I simply don't feel that's realistic anymore, and that government(s) do not operate like that regardless of who is in charge.  That's our reality, and I just don't see the point in pretending it is not.

 

That was my only point.  

[Niagara Bill]

7 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

How does someone your age, ostensibly a man, become so over the top dramatic? Truly embarrassing. 

How does a man, presumably, become such a cult member, unable or unwilling to see the obvious direction of this administration..

Will he go that far, try to cancel elections, create emergency powers to maintain or grasp full control. Will he just continue on pissing off the rest of the world and then retreat to play golf. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Should I buy a lottery ticket or prepare for the end of the world?

I bought my wife one last night.  She didn't win.

7 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

How does someone your age, ostensibly a man, become so over the top dramatic? Truly embarrassing. 

you obviously love drama.  you voted for a reality TV star/porno fker.  Drama can be fun.  Just not in global politics.

[Doc Brown]

56 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, you started by suggesting I was right, then later on talked about true republicans being shunned and cast your opinion as an "idiotic assumption", which seemed at odds with the notion that I was right.  It was meant to be a light-hearted quip and appears I have missed the mark.   

 

Since I've come this far, I guess I should make sure I clarify my comments from the post.  There was a time I felt as you did, and that was right was right and wrong was wrong.  I truly meant the part of your perspective being noble.  It would be awesome if that's the way government works.  You may absolutely be correct that holding the line, staying above the fray and doing 100% the right thing is right regardless of the outcome.  Perhaps if the curren admin did, any and all future admins would follow suit.  I simply don't feel that's realistic anymore, and that government(s) do not operate like that regardless of who is in charge.  That's our reality, and I just don't see the point in pretending it is not.

 

That was my only point.  

No.  You misinterpreted or I presented my argument wrong.  I completely agreed with everything you posted.  I'm well aware of the large contrast between how are government works currently and how the founding fathers hoped it would work.  I'm not going to resort to political apathy though.  I'll still go out and vote for whoever I think will make me and my family the most money.  Usually that means voting Republican.  If Trump continues his tariff crusade and Republican representatives support it then I'll vote straight down the line Democrat until they get the message.

Edited 8 hours ago by Doc Brown

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  You misinterpreted or I presented my argument wrong.  I completely agreed with everything you posted.  I'm well aware of the large contrast between how are government works currently and how the founding fathers hoped it would work.  I'm not going to resort to political apathy though.  I'll still go out and vote for whoever I think will make me and my family the most money.  Usually that means voting Republican.  If Trump continues his tariff crusade and Republican representatives support it then I'll vote straight down the line Democrat until they get the message.

Frig.  I'm usually sharp as a tack and not afraid to say it. My bad there. 

 

I cannot imagine voting dem in the future, but completely agree and vote for the party that hurts me less.  It's hard for me imagine now, but this was my thought process Trump v Hillary:

• Everyone knew Trump, and we can move past his one-time darling status with political figures in the dem party.  The simple fact was that my wife and I used to watch The Apprentice with my oldest son (he was quite young), understanding the reality TV aspect and fictionalized portions of the show.  It was just about enjoying the show,  but we did talk a lot about situational awareness, handling difficult situations, work place politics etc. 
• When the run up to choosing nominees was ongoing, I was nauseous thinking about Jeb Bush, or another Clinton in the WH, and not really thinking Trump at all.  I called one of my liberal buddies and said..."You know, I might just vote for Biden if he throws his hat in the ring...". 
• I recall where I was when Trump rode the elevator down and announced and thought "Holy Cr8p, what on earth is happening here?". 

To look back and think I thought THAT was crazy when looking at what's happened since...wow. 

 

 

 

[JDHillFan]

51 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

How does a man, presumably, become such a cult member, unable or unwilling to see the obvious direction of this administration..

Will he go that far, try to cancel elections, create emergency powers to maintain or grasp full control. Will he just continue on pissing off the rest of the world and then retreat to play golf. 

I’ve heard that the bad orange man is an existential threat to democracy. When does that start? It seems like every branch of government is going full speed ahead. Keep me posted with your delusions if you don’t mind.