BADOLBILZ Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. Such an unnecessary "L" to take for @BillsFanForever19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: actually I'd say decent chance he comes back here really cheap if no one offers him better $ Which is why it is unbelievable people thought he was worth $5M. I am guessing he will get essentially vet min wherever he goes. Assuming there are any takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 1/24/2024 at 10:40 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: It's not going to happen. Not at least until after the Pre-Season, if he proves to have lost a step. We could have voided his deal completely last year and been completely scot free of paying him a dime last year or this year. We didn't do it then, so why would they do it now that he's ready to come back and both Beane and he said he's coming back? I'm sure his number will drop via a paycut or some kind of restructure. But he'll be here. Well, it happened. no restructure. No paycut. He was cut and saved 4.66M, which was the only move to make involving Hines. An ultra speed back coming off what was said to be a possible career threatening injury. He’ll be back for close to the minimum and might make the team. Cutting him and was necessary. Glad that Beane didn’t make him any ridiculous promises as was speculated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 So much for that, the “agreement” between parties was evidently different than reported…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Such an unnecessary "L" to take for @BillsFanForever19. 6 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: OP had an interesting take but was wrong. Case closed. 5 hours ago, Don Otreply said: So much for that, the “agreement” between parties was evidently different than reported…, Hesitant to bump this, but sometimes you just have to take the L. I was wrong here and it's a bit of a learning lesson. The wording of the release stating he'll "most likely be back for Training Camp from his ACL injury" says one of two things to me: 1.) He failed a physical and the injury was so bad that any hope that he'd be in good enough shape to start the season disappeared. In which case, all bets are off. or 2.) It's specifically referring to being back for us. In which case, the release was more of a case of being better for us to rip up his contract than it would be to restructure. We'll have to wait and see what Beane says about it. ATM, I lean towards probably the former. It's a tad confusing to me as to why we didn't just cut him last season when the NFI happened and you had the right to do so and not pay a single dime further. We didn't pay him much last season, but why pay anything then just to cut him now? Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I don’t have a factual answer for you, but I suspect that some information / circumstance occurred that made cutting him the answer…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Hesitant to bump this, but sometimes you just have to take the L. I was wrong here and it's a bit of a learning lesson. The wording of the release stating he'll "most likely be back for Training Camp from his ACL injury" says one of two things to me: 1.) He failed a physical and the injury was so bad that any hope that he'd be in good enough shape to start the season disappeared. In which case, all bets are off. or 2.) It's specifically referring to being back for us. In which case, the release was more of a case of being better for us to rip up his contract than it would be to restructure. We'll have to wait and see what Beane says about it. ATM, I lean towards probably the former. It's a tad confusing to me as to why we didn't just cut him last season when the NFI happened and you had the right to do so and not pay a single dime further. We didn't pay him much last season, but why pay anything then just to cut him now? I think he had to be medically cleared to be released without an injury settlement so I suspect #1 is probably not the case. But the reality is that he probably wasn't going to be nearly the same player in 2024 that he was prior to the ACL tear. I know many of us feared that Beane would do the wrong and "sentimental" thing with Hines........like he did when he allowed guys who screwed him with poor effort like Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei to hang around with pay cuts..........but this really was an easy "no brainer" level decision to cut an injured RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think he had to be medically cleared to be released without an injury settlement so I suspect #1 is probably not the case. But the reality is that he probably wasn't going to be nearly the same player in 2024 that he was prior to the ACL tear. I know many of us feared that Beane would do the wrong and "sentimental" thing with Hines........like he did when he allowed guys who screwed him with poor effort like Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei to hang around with pay cuts..........but this really was an easy "no brainer" level decision to cut an injured RB. He has a $500k roster bonus due on 3/18/24. One of the big reasons these are included in so many contracts are cases like this. The team can pay it or not at their discretion (unless it is contractually guaranteed), so injury doesn’t prevent them from waiving the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think he had to be medically cleared to be released without an injury settlement so I suspect #1 is probably not the case. But the reality is that he probably wasn't going to be nearly the same player in 2024 that he was prior to the ACL tear. I know many of us feared that Beane would do the wrong and "sentimental" thing with Hines........like he did when he allowed guys who screwed him with poor effort like Vernon Butler and Star Lotulelei to hang around with pay cuts..........but this really was an easy "no brainer" level decision to cut an injured RB. 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: He has a $500k roster bonus due on 3/18/24. One of the big reasons these are included in so many contracts are cases like this. The team can pay it or not at their discretion (unless it is contractually guaranteed), so injury doesn’t prevent them from waiving the player. He also hasn't officially been released as of yet, so he could still be released with an injury settlement when it officially goes through. We'll have to wait and see on that. Find it slightly interesting that we interviewed Braelon Allen and Audric Estime at the Combine. Guys who are considered 3rd or 4th Round Picks. With just Cook on the roster, I wonder if they're considering a RB a little higher than expected? Especially after the release of Hines and both guys being bigger and stronger runners that would compliment him well. Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He also hasn't officially been released as of yet, so he could still be released with an injury settlement when it officially goes through. We'll have to wait and see on that. Find it slightly interesting that we interviewed Braelon Allen and Audric Estime at the Combine. Guys who are considered 3rd or 4th Round Picks. With just Cook on the roster, I wonder if they're considering a RB a little higher than expected? Especially after the release of Hines and both guys being bigger and stronger runners that would compliment him well. No on the injury settlement. Completely unnecessary and will not happen due to contract structure. This is literally why teams insist on including roster bonuses like the one in his contract. Absolutely yes on RB. Adding another quality RB is a very big need. Last season Cooks had 10 games of relatively light usage under Dorsey followed by very heavy usage for 9 games (including the 2 playoff games) under Brady. He broke down before the end of the season. No way can he handle that kind of workload for a whole season. They have to have another RB who can share the load if they’re going to be as run heavy as they were under Brady last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 1/24/2024 at 11:54 PM, Doc Brown said: I don't care what Beane says at the presser. If he can save 4.9 million by cutting him he's going to do it. Still don't care what Beane says at a presser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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