BuffaloBillyG Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 11 hours ago, NewEra said: Dallas put up 30 on that defense. Mac jones had zero turnover and put up one less point than allen did and the pats beat that defense you do agree that KC (without Kelce and jones) losing to Detroit is a better looking loss than the bills losing to jets? I think we’re better than the chiefs at full strength. I thought we were better than them last year. We beat them in their stadium. I thought we were better than the previous year, when the impossible happened in 13 seconds. but based on the games played this year, I’d probably give KC the nod just based on the losses. I don't know that I 100% agree with this. Certainly, I can see your train of thinking and it is valid. I can also see the other side of the topic as well. Yes KC was without 2 key players. So, they get a pass? For being outplayed on their home field but a decent yet not on their level team? Meanwhile, Buffalo's loss wasn't even so much the Jets winning it was Buffalo giving the game away. I can see both losses looking worse in different ways. I do think blaming losses on missing a couple key players is something that is a crutch in arguments. The "does it deserve an asterisk" argument. Did anyone give the Bills a pass for losing in the playoffs because we were down Von and Micah and Jones? Nope. You play with the guys on the field. Kansas City had time to plan for Jones not being there. Kelce missing was more short notice...but Andy is an offensive genius...so that could have been circumvented as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I don't know that I 100% agree with this. Certainly, I can see your train of thinking and it is valid. I can also see the other side of the topic as well. Yes KC was without 2 key players. So, they get a pass? For being outplayed on their home field but a decent yet not on their level team? Meanwhile, Buffalo's loss wasn't even so much the Jets winning it was Buffalo giving the game away. I can see both losses looking worse in different ways. I do think blaming losses on missing a couple key players is something that is a crutch in arguments. The "does it deserve an asterisk" argument. Did anyone give the Bills a pass for losing in the playoffs because we were down Von and Micah and Jones? Nope. You play with the guys on the field. Kansas City had time to plan for Jones not being there. Kelce missing was more short notice...but Andy is an offensive genius...so that could have been circumvented as well. Now you’re shifting the goal posts and putting words in mouth. No, they don’t get a pass. I’m strictly comparing the 2 losses. We lost to backup Zach Wilson. Not starting QB zach Wilson that had a week to prepare. We lost to Zach Wilson with zero reps all week. Kelce and Jones aren’t Just key players. They’re both perennial 1st team all pro- first ballot HoFers. If we played without diggs, we would’ve had little to no chance imo. again……No one is giving anyone a pass. Not sure why that has suddenly become the basis of your debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Now you’re shifting the goal posts and putting words in mouth. No, they don’t get a pass. I’m strictly comparing the 2 losses. We lost to backup Zach Wilson. Not starting QB zach Wilson that had a week to prepare. We lost to Zach Wilson with zero reps all week. Kelce and Jones aren’t Just key players. They’re both perennial 1st team all pro- first ballot HoFers. If we played without diggs, we would’ve had little to no chance imo. again……No one is giving anyone a pass. Not sure why that has suddenly become the basis of your debate. You can keep saying we "lost to Zach Wilson" until the cows come home to make it sound worse. Wilson did nothing to beat us. We lost to a defense that played well, a fluke PR, and the restlessness of Josh Allen. We beat ourselves. At the end of the day, we lost on the road to a division rival. They lost their home opener to an inferior team. At the very least on the loss scale I would call those about as equally bad losses. Nothing that should overwhelmingly tip the scale into their favor in any kind of rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1- Bills The rest can fight it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: You can keep saying we "lost to Zach Wilson" until the cows come home to make it sound worse. Wilson did nothing to beat us. We lost to a defense that played well, a fluke PR, and the restlessness of Josh Allen. We beat ourselves. At the end of the day, we lost on the road to a division rival. They lost their home opener to an inferior team. At the very least on the loss scale I would call those about as equally bad losses. Nothing that should overwhelmingly tip the scale into their favor in any kind of rankings. Bills lost because of their best player. With questions about the offense coming into the season, that performance was significant. It’s why the Bills are in a second tier behind the 49er, Dolphins, Eagles, and Chiefs. Of course, everything can change this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: You can keep saying we "lost to Zach Wilson" until the cows come home to make it sound worse. Wilson did nothing to beat us. We lost to a defense that played well, a fluke PR, and the restlessness of Josh Allen. We beat ourselves. At the end of the day, we lost on the road to a division rival. They lost their home opener to an inferior team. At the very least on the loss scale I would call those about as equally bad losses. Nothing that should overwhelmingly tip the scale into their favor in any kind of rankings. Agree to disagree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Miami coming down off the top of this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 12:18 PM, Rigotz said: Looks like Dolphins are back to back week 3 Super Bowl champs, even with our own board members. Week 1: Beat the Chargers by 2 (who lost to the Titans and almost lost to the Vikings) Week 2: Beat the Patriots by 7 (who lost to the Eagles and almost lost to the Jets) Week 3: Ran up the scoreboard against a team with "special needs" What could possibly go wrong? This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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