Random talking head says something about the Bills

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, finn said:

I don't see how people who claim Mahomes and Burrow are better can never acknowledge the yawning chasm between the receivers those two have thrown to all their career and those that Allen has had to work with. Yes, he had Diggs (who routinely disappeared in the playoffs), but that is it.  

Mahomes hasn't had great wide receivers the last couple years besides Kelce their tight end 

 

But he has a healthy defense come play off time and the best play caller of the last 25 years 

 

And he still averaged 22 points per game in the regular season the last 2 years... Josh is actually still improving Patrick is pretty stagnant

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Billsfanatic8989]

10 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Greatest talent & Greatest QB are two different things. 

 

Brett Favre is way more talented than Tom Brady. When it comes to the position as a whole, Brady is a few tiers above him. 

I find it hard to judge QB's based on skills to actual results.

 

Generally speaking, Brett Favre is known for making boneheaded mistakes at critical times. He cost his teams more playoff games than anyone else. But he was super talented. 

 

I don't know where to place him in a top ten list. How does one evaluates his talent vs actual performance?

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I find it hard to judge QB's based on skills to actual results.

 

Generally speaking, Brett Favre is known for making boneheaded mistakes at critical times. He cost his teams more playoff games than anyone else. But he was super talented. 

 

I don't know where to place him in a top ten list. How does one evaluates his talent vs actual performance?

 

Considering him and Aaron Rodgers have 35 years of Hall of Fame play and they only have two Super bowls 

 

Green Bay was not a top-notch franchise surrounding them with talent for 18 years a piece .. like the bills they draft and retain their own players 

 

Usually means paying more for them... And you're Superstar quarterback has to be the guy 

 

Brett favre might have thrown a lot of interceptions but he also had the most passing yards and passing touchdowns in NFL history when he retired.. and shown he can win a Super bowl 

 

If he had belichick for 20 years I believe he has more than one Super bowl same with Aaron Rodgers

 

Brett favre play playoff games where his leading rusher had 29 yards... That's no help in the NFC championship ...  you're going to throw more pics when you have 29 yards rushing cuz you're going to be throwing the ball a lot

Edited 2 hours ago by Buffalo716

[MJS]

25 minutes ago, finn said:

I don't see how people who claim Mahomes and Burrow are better can never acknowledge the yawning chasm between the receivers those two have thrown to all their career and those that Allen has had to work with. Yes, he had Diggs (who routinely disappeared in the playoffs), but that is it.  

Mahomes has gone through stretches with poor receivers. He has always had Kelce, but Kelce has been a shadow of himself the last year or two.

 

I think Mahomes is currently being held back by the lack of talent around him, including an oline that has problems.

 

I think the Bills and Chiefs have a lot of similarities, actually. It's just frustrating that the Bills have been slightly below the Chiefs.

[Billsfanatic8989]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Considering him and Aaron Rodgers have 35 years of Hall of Fame play and they only have two Super bowls 

 

Green Bay was not a top-notch franchise surrounding them with talent for 18 years a piece .. like the bills they draft and retain their own players 

 

Usually means paying more for them... And you're Superstar quarterback has to be the guy 

 

Brett favre might have thrown a lot of interceptions but he also had the most passing yards and passing touchdowns in NFL history when he retired.. and shown he can win a Super bowl 

 

If he had belichick for 20 years I believe he has more than one Super bowl same with Aaron Rodgers

 

Brett favre play playoff games where his leading rusher had 29 yards... That's no help in the NFC championship ...  you're going to throw more pics when you have 29 yards rushing cuz you're going to be throwing the ball a lot

Does having Belichick stop him from throwing picks in OT to cost his team postseason games on a consistent basis?

 

 

Just now, MJS said:

Mahomes has gone through stretches with poor receivers. He has always had Kelce, but Kelce has been a shadow of himself the last year or two.

 

I think Mahomes is currently being held back by the lack of talent around him, including an oline that has problems.

 

I think the Bills and Chiefs have a lot of similarities, actually. It's just frustrating that the Bills have been slightly below the Chiefs.

We know the reason why

[Buffalo716]

47 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Does having Belichick stop him from throwing picks in OT to cost his team postseason games on a consistent basis?

 

 

We know the reason why

2005 Brett favre had a worse receiving core than the bills have right now ... He had one occasional pro bowler in Donald driver who he made much better...  he was not an All-Pro type like we even had with diggs...

 

And his number two three and four were much worse than what we have... he had Donald driver, three bum WR and not a great tight end 

 

The bills still do have shakir, and Palmer and Kincaid ... Those three guys are better than any weapon favre had in 05 outside driver

 

Of course he throws a lot of pics he's a gunslinger with no weapons 

 

Josh led the league in interceptions 2 years ago also... Gunslinger's throw interceptions.. we rain Josh in , with a ball control offense

 

Remember Josh idolizes Brett favre... He was a very very good quarterback first ballot Hall of famer

 

Aaron Rodgers didn't throw interceptions has the best touchdown to interception ratio of all time and still didn't win multiple Super bowls with their franchise

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Considering him and Aaron Rodgers have 35 years of Hall of Fame play and they only have two Super bowls 

 

Green Bay was not a top-notch franchise surrounding them with talent for 18 years a piece .. like the bills they draft and retain their own players 

 

Usually means paying more for them... And you're Superstar quarterback has to be the guy 

 

Brett favre might have thrown a lot of interceptions but he also had the most passing yards and passing touchdowns in NFL history when he retired.. and shown he can win a Super bowl 

 

If he had belichick for 20 years I believe he has more than one Super bowl same with Aaron Rodgers

 

Brett favre play playoff games where his leading rusher had 29 yards... That's no help in the NFC championship ...  you're going to throw more pics when you have 29 yards rushing cuz you're going to be throwing the ball a lot

that's revisionist history

 

rodgers had jordy nelson and greg jennings, plus capable guys in cobb and james jones. and the packers immediately replaced nelson w davante adams when he left

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

that's revisionist history

 

rodgers had jordy nelson and greg jennings, plus capable guys in cobb and james jones. and the packers immediately replaced nelson w davante adams when he left

 

I'm more talking favre.. early mid-2000s.. he really had very few weapons

 

Aaron Rodgers had tremendous weapons for most of his career.. just not a great coach or a consistent playoff defense 

 

Aaron Rodgers had way better weapons than Brett 

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

I'm more talking favre

 

Aaron Rodgers had tremendous weapons for most of his career.. just not a great coach or a consistent playoff defense 

 

Aaron Rodgers had way better weapons than Brett 

But Rodgers didn't have Reggie White on his defenses. 

[Dafan]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

This. The Bills run D actually does a good job on most downs. Its those long runs that happen a couple times a game that skew everything.

There are many run plays that the D gives up 5/6 yards per carry as well.  But the long runs do kill them.  And don't quote me on this, but I believe it was about a week ago I read an article that the Bills actually had the most tackles for losses vs the run.  They just aren't consistent enough.  Maybe its the constant rotation of D'lineman

[Simon]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He had one occasional pro bowler in Donald driver who he made much better

 

 Donald Driver was the only person who made Donald Driver better; that dude was a legit warrior and one of the most fearless WR's you'll ever see.

I'd probably actually reverse your sentence and say that he made Brett Favre better.

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Simon said:

 

 Donald Driver was the only person who made Donald Driver better; that dude was a legit warrior and one of the most fearless WR's you'll ever see.

I'd probably actually reverse your sentence and say that he made Brett Favre better.

 

 

I think Donald driver was fantastic 

 

He's not a borderline Hall of famer though.. he's not a two time all pro 

 

he averages 48 yards per game in his career

 

But I did say Donald driver is better than what we have.. but then I said his 2 3 4 and two tight ends are worse than what we have 

 

Do you think Donald driver's better than Hines Ward?

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I think Donald driver was fantastic 

 

He's not a borderline Hall of famer though.. he's not a two time all pro 

 

he averages 48 yards per game in his career

 

But I did say Donald driver is better than what we have.. but then I said his 2 3 4 and two tight ends are worse than what we have 

 

Do you think Donald driver's better than Hines Ward?

Antonio Freeman was no slouch either.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Antonio Freeman was no slouch either.

Absolutely 

 

I'm not saying he had no weapons ever! That was more 90s and they were stacked 

 

He did win three straight MVPs and a Super bowl 

 

The early and mid 2000s there wasn't much besides Donald driver and their running back ... Kind of like how Josh is shouldering a load now

 

I think Aaron Rodgers did have tremendous offensive talent.. but not the coaching of a Pete Carroll or Bill belichick

 

 

Edited 57 minutes ago by Buffalo716