Mr. WEO Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Doc said: How have lawyers hurt medicine? LOL! Anyway...I might need a good lawyer before I retire. Haven't needed one yet. But I know how they work. A year ago Araiza was a statutory and gang rapist. A year later... yikes---still carrying water for an almost rookie Punter? creepy... it's a ripe for abuse tort system that has hurt the medical profession (or the practice of it, to be more accurate). anyway, a solid defense is good lawyering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Doctor Duck said: Bulloney...sure DUI will add to someone's chance of not paying attention to what they are doing, but it's not a prerequisite for irresponsibility. You could be driving (or skiing) too fast to respond in time, distracted by your phone, whatever. Point is you weren't paying attention and you caused the accident booze or no booze. Every accident I caused in my 20's (before I wised up) was because I was rushing around too damn fast for the road conditions. No booze involved ever and yes it was my own damn fault. Lol relax… sue till your hearts content Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: yikes---still carrying water for an almost rookie Punter? creepy... it's a ripe for abuse tort system that has hurt the medical profession (or the practice of it, to be more accurate). anyway, a solid defense is good lawyering. No, it's just the most glaring and recent example of taking a lawyer's word at face value. Like that lawyer, we'll see what Hines' lawyer has in short order. And if he has a case against the rental company, good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: No, it's just the most glaring and recent example of taking a lawyer's word at face value. Like that lawyer, we'll see what Hines' lawyer has in short order. And if he has a case against the rental company, good for him. you said he had nothing, and that signed releases rendered it all moot anyway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Just now, Mr. WEO said: you said he had nothing, and that signed releases rendered it all moot anyway.. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Just now, Doc said: We'll see. got your flip flops on! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: I’m trying to save you from embarrassing yourself. Guess it’s too late. So your belief is that if Hines was driving his jetski in a completely legal and prudent manner, and a guy who was driving his jetski 50 mph and out of control hits him, then the damages awarded to Hines would be reduced in some amount because of Hines’s contributory negligence? Is that your position or am I missing something? Edited September 10, 2023 by mannc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, mannc said: So your belief is that if Hines was riding his jetski in a completely legal and prudent manner, and a guy who was driving his jetski 50 mph and out of control hits him then the damages awarded to Hines would be reduced in some amount because of Hines’s contributory negligence? Is that your position or am I missing something? going too slow? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: got your flip flops on! You should have flip-flopped on the Araiza case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: You should have flip-flopped on the Araiza case. When the full report came out from the investigation I acknowledged it. No one cares anymore though, except a very.....select group of posters here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: When the full report came out from the investigation I acknowledged it. No one cares anymore though, except a very.....select group of posters here. I know why you'd want to forget it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Doc said: I know why you'd want to forget it... I haven't forgotten anything. It's just of little consequence---your unusual passion is misplaced. Why keep carrying that torch? If he was drafted for the Dolphins or the Raiders, you would never have posted anything. He's gone. You need to let him go...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I haven't forgotten anything. It's just of little consequence---your unusual passion is misplaced. Why keep carrying that torch? If he was drafted for the Dolphins or the Raiders, you would never have posted anything. He's gone. You need to let him go...... The torch was gone last year after the Bills cut him because it was clear he never going to play for them again/they found a suitable replacement. But the case was a passionate one for many here (ahem), for months on end, likely because beyond it being a Bills draftee, it hit home for those who have HS and college aged kids. It was a case study in not believing everything you're initially told and jumping to conclusions, a common problem for many, and as such it will live on for awhile. In this case, I couldn't care less if and from where Hines recovers his money. I just find it odd that he'd sue the guy who hit him if he didn't have any money and wouldn't sue the rental company if they were at fault. Kind of like it was odd for Gilleon to file a civil suit before charges were filed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 14 hours ago, CheshireCT said: That’s a horrific accident and I’m really sorry for that family. You certainly make good points that context makes a big difference. Confined water spaces combined with inexperienced or aggressive or stupid operators can create safety hazards. I probably wouldn’t jet ski in such places myself. Better to stick to open water! I still maintain however that jet-skiing in itself is not an inherently dangerous activity. Safety on the water is primarily about remaining alert. Paying attention to the other water crafts and staying away from them. When it comes to physical safety I’m probably the most cautious and risk averse person I know, lol. If I had the financial means and place to ride one, I would have a jet ski again in a second. But operating a jet-ski IS inherently dangerous no matter how any single person treats it. It's a powerful motorcraft that one rides upon at high speeds ON WATER which adds an unmistakably element of danger obviously lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: The torch was gone last year after the Bills cut him because it was clear he never going to play for them again/they found a suitable replacement. But the case was a passionate one for many here (ahem), for months on end, likely because beyond it being a Bills draftee, it hit home for those who have HS and college aged kids. It was a case study in not believing everything you're initially told and jumping to conclusions, a common problem for many, and as such it will live on for awhile. In this case, I couldn't care less if and from where Hines recovers his money. I just find it odd that he'd sue the guy who hit him if he didn't have any money and wouldn't sue the rental company if they were at fault. Kind of like it was odd for Gilleon to file a civil suit before charges were filed. I thought the case only got dropped on the eye witness testimony of his close friend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Doc said: The torch was gone last year after the Bills cut him because it was clear he never going to play for them again/they found a suitable replacement. But the case was a passionate one for many here (ahem), for months on end, likely because beyond it being a Bills draftee, it hit home for those who have HS and college aged kids. It was a case study in not believing everything you're initially told and jumping to conclusions, a common problem for many, and as such it will live on for awhile. In this case, I couldn't care less if and from where Hines recovers his money. I just find it odd that he'd sue the guy who hit him if he didn't have any money and wouldn't sue the rental company if they were at fault. Kind of like it was odd for Gilleon to file a civil suit before charges were filed. I said that at least a dozen posts ago. you disagreed. As for the rest, I've never once thought my HS/college age sons would find themselves in the situation Araiza at least placed himself in (we'll hear all about that in the civil suit), so it never "hit home". It's safe to say you wouldn't care, then or, strangely, still-- if he never put on the Bills jersey. He's hardly the first pro athlete accused thusly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: I thought the case only got dropped on the eye witness testimony of his close friend? I'm not going to get into it all over again but suffice it to say that there was a lot more than just that. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I said that at least a dozen posts ago. you disagreed. As for the rest, I've never once thought my HS/college age sons would find themselves in the situation Araiza at least placed himself in (we'll hear all about that in the civil suit), so it never "hit home". It's safe to say you wouldn't care, then or, strangely, still-- if he never put on the Bills jersey. He's hardly the first pro athlete accused thusly. So with the wide usage of dating apps you never worried about either of your sons hooking up with a girl and then being accused of rape? Hey, more power to you. And obviously there was more interest because he was a Bills draftee. It still would have been an interesting case had it happened to another team and I'd still be defending him. Edited September 10, 2023 by Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I don't know how much the suit will net him, but it sucks to lose a year to stupidity/negligence when the average NFL career is only 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: I'm not going to get into it all over again but suffice it to say that there was a lot more than just that. So with the wide usage of dating apps you never worried about either of your sons hooking up with a girl and then being accused of rape? Hey, more power to you. And obviously there was more interest because he was a Bills draftee. It still would have been an interesting case had it happened to another team and I'd still be defending him. No I haven’t (this was a party Araiza was at anyway) No you wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No I haven’t (this was a party Araiza was at anyway) No you wouldn’t. Yeah, I would have. As I pointed out to you in that Tyreek Hill thread, I didn't crucify him before knowing the facts. I stopped jumping to conclusions based on initial reports years ago because they almost never turn out to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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