Durham Report Released. FBI Is Corrupt. Dems Lie. Water Is Wet.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

  On 6/22/2023 at 12:16 PM, John from Riverside said:

The DOJ and the FBI are not your enemy
If you’re seeing more right wingers go to jail, it’s because they’re doing worse crimes

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I'm capable of expressing that sentiment if that was my feeling, John.  Your problem here is a limitation of creative thought and application of historical perspective.  See, you seem to think that because I don't outright dismiss Durham as a right wing loon, you know how what I think and feel generally.  The FBI is an incredible organization that when appropriately managed and directed, is a gift to all Americans.  The DOJ falls into the same category.  Neither should be wholesale dismissed, nor wholesale embraced.  

 

That does not mean I have to hit my knees and pledge unquestioned fealty to either organization.  Blind trust in any organization is foolish, John, and binary choices that boil down to "FBI Awesome Always!" and "FBI Enemy" is pure silliness.   

 

FBI...DOJ...were they the heroes of the MLK/NAACP surveillance story?  Waco, Texas? Ruby Ridge? Whitey Bulger?   J Edgar Hoover?    The Durham investigation is simply an extension of an age-old dilemma. 

 

 

  On 6/22/2023 at 12:16 PM, John from Riverside said:

 

Donald Trump had no problem with weaponization the DOJ whenever he was president

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As I said above, you simply prefer different boogeymen.  

 

 

  On 6/22/2023 at 12:16 PM, John from Riverside said:

 

I want to be clear here I am not a leftist. I am an independent couldn’t stand. Hillary Clinton didn’t agree with what she did but I’m also not a conspiracy theorist and there’s way too much of that going on around here.

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No declarations of loyalty or independence are necessary with me.  You don't sound at all independent to me, but I view the world through my prism, not yours.  Btw the second weakest insult on the planet today is to label someone a 'conspiracy theorist'.  It's right behind declaring someone  a member of a 'cult'. 

 

  On 6/22/2023 at 12:16 PM, John from Riverside said:

 

I will forever be a never Trumper because aside from just being an #######, he was just a bad president

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This is your right as an American, John, and I completely understand that.  I don't think I'm the closed-minded one here though. 

[BillsFanNC]

  On 6/22/2023 at 2:46 PM, Doc said:

 

Being called a Nazi or KKK member is worse than being called *****.

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Cmon Republicans and commentators on the right..have some decorum!

 

Take your decorum and shove it where the sun don't shine shitlibs.

 

Bongino doesn't care and shouldn't care about calling liberals any derogatory name he sees fit. He's an activist and anti-communist, he admits it often and therefore gives zero ***** about what anyone on the left has to say about his approach. And he shouldn't. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

  On 6/22/2023 at 2:57 PM, BillsFanNC said:

 

Cmon Republicans and commentators on the right..have some decorum!

 

Take your decorum and shove it where the sun don't shine shitlibs.

 

Bongino doesn't care and shouldn't care about calling liberals any derogatory name he sees fit. He's an activist and anti-communist, he admits it often and therefore gives zero ***** about what anyone on the left has to say about his approach. And he shouldn't. 

 

 

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Yes, I do believe that we should expect a certain amount of decorum when talking about other people, Bongino can certainly get his point across without using that language
 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

  On 6/22/2023 at 2:55 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

That does not mean I have to hit my knees and pledge unquestioned fealty to either organization.  Blind trust in any organization is foolish, John, and binary choices that boil down to "FBI Awesome Always!" and "FBI Enemy" is pure silliness.   

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now this is truly a straw man.  who is arguing that the FBI should be knelt to and fealty pledged?

[BillStime]

  On 6/22/2023 at 2:42 PM, Chris farley said:

lol, Its just funny old pete Stzok thinks he has any integrity left.

 

In a sane world he would be staying out of the spotlight.

 

 

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You would never give Conald that advice...

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

  On 6/22/2023 at 2:57 PM, BillsFanNC said:

 

Cmon Republicans and commentators on the right..have some decorum!

 

Take your decorum and shove it where the sun don't shine shitlibs.

 

Bongino doesn't care and shouldn't care about calling liberals any derogatory name he sees fit. He's an activist and anti-communist, he admits it often and therefore gives zero ***** about what anyone on the left has to say about his approach. And he shouldn't. 

 

 

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Did someone mention closed minded?  America needs people like you running things like we need a hole in the head.

Edited June 22, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

  On 6/22/2023 at 2:57 PM, BillsFanNC said:

Take your decorum and shove it where the sun don't shine shitlibs.

 

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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

  On 6/22/2023 at 3:29 PM, redtail hawk said:

now this is truly a straw man.  who is arguing that the FBI should be knelt to and fealty pledged?

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Two things:

 

The straw man argument, if one chooses to pursue said argument, would actually be John's argument that because I disagree with him, I see the FBI and DOJ as "the enemy".  

 

Please remind me to tell John that "straw man" while not an insult per se, falls to number three on the list behind cult and conspiracy theorist. 

 

Have a blessed day.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:07 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Two things:

 

The straw man argument, if one chooses to pursue said argument, would actually be John's argument that because I disagree with him, I see the FBI and DOJ as "the enemy".  

 

Please remind me to tell John that "straw man" while not an insult per se, falls to number three on the list behind cult and conspiracy theorist. 

 

Have a blessed day.

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except that there are many MAGA's who openly see the FBI and DOJ as enemies...See the difference?  in this case, it is binary.

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[Tommy Callahan]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:09 PM, redtail hawk said:

except that there are many MAGA's who openly see the FBI and DOJ as enemies...See the difference?  in this case, it is binary.

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There are many people from all walks that have huge issues with this countries policing and courts.  From federal to state and local. 

 

Defund police? Large part of the 1619 project, attacking the supreme court.  Nominating a judge who spend the last 5 years reforming the justice/bail system. 

 

 

 

 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:13 PM, Chris farley said:

There are many people from all walks that have huge issues with this countries policing and courts.  

 

 

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yes, and...

[Tommy Callahan]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:13 PM, redtail hawk said:

yes, and...

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Including most of the lefts base.  Think Defund police, bail reform. 1619 project implies police are just slave enforcers and so on.

 

 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:16 PM, Chris farley said:

Including most of the lefts base.  Until talking about taking out the political opposition. 

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I'm very confident that if the rules are followed and enforced as intended, there will never be another R prez.  At least til it reverts to some measure of rationality.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:09 PM, redtail hawk said:

except that there are many MAGA's who openly see the FBI and DOJ as enemies...See the difference?  in this case, it is binary.

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If the straw man could actually speak, he would spout this sort of gibberish. 

 

John stated the following:  The DOJ and the FBI are not your enemy. 

 

Had John suggested that 'many MAGAs' view the FBI and DOJ as enemies, my response likely would have been different, but that's all conjecture at this point.  

 

Don't forget to remind me to tell John about the straw man thing.  

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:09 PM, redtail hawk said:

except that there are many MAGA's who openly see the FBI and DOJ as enemies...See the difference?  in this case, it is binary.

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Citizens (generally MAGA, libertarians, old school liberals) have concluded those agencies have transformed from law enforcement organizations into a personal protection operation for the political class and their supporters.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:21 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

If the straw man could actually speak, he would spout this sort of gibberish. 

 

John stated the following:  The DOJ and the FBI are not your enemy. 

 

Had John suggested that 'many MAGAs' view the FBI and DOJ as enemies, my response likely would have been different, but that's all conjecture at this point.  

 

Don't forget to remind me to tell John about the straw man thing.  

 

 

 

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Now this is truly deflection.  Was your statement about praying to the FBI a straw man or not?

[JaCrispy]

Guilty! 😉

[BillsFanNC]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:22 PM, All_Pro_Bills said:

Citizens (generally MAGA, libertarians, old school liberals) have concluded those agencies have transformed from law enforcement organizations into a personal protection operation for the political class and their supporters.

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And they are absolutely 100% without question correct in that assessment. 

 

Leftist useful idiots will deny it to their last breath.

 

So where does that leave us?

 

There's blind spots that we all have as part of the human condition and then there's purposely distorting and denying reality like we have with today's left/marxists/useful idiots.

 

Some may want to take the high road and continue attempting to engage in reasonable discussions with broken and unreasonable people. More power to those who feel that way, but for me that ship sailed long ago.

 

***** every last one of these useful idiots.

[All_Pro_Bills]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:31 PM, BillsFanNC said:

 

And they are absolutely 100% without question correct in that assessment. 

 

Leftist useful idiots will deny it to their last breath.

 

So where does that leave us?

 

There's blind spots that we all have as part of the human condition and then there's purposely distorting and denying reality like we have with today's left/marxists/useful idiots.

 

Some may want to take the high road and continue attempting to engage in reasonable discussions with broken and unreasonable people. More power to those who feel that way, but for me that ship sailed long ago.

 

***** every last one of these useful idiots.

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The thing the useful idiots don't understand is that when push comes to shove that protection racket does not extend to them any more than it does to the people that openly denounce it. 

[John from Riverside]

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:07 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Two things:

 

The straw man argument, if one chooses to pursue said argument, would actually be John's argument that because I disagree with him, I see the FBI and DOJ as "the enemy".  

 

Please remind me to tell John that "straw man" while not an insult per se, falls to number three on the list behind cult and conspiracy theorist. 

 

Have a blessed day.

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OK so here’s an interesting test. What would be your description of someone that is in a cult

  On 6/22/2023 at 4:36 PM, All_Pro_Bills said:

The thing the useful idiots don't understand is that when push comes to shove that protection racket does not extend to them any more than it does to the people that openly denounce it. 

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Whoever said that it did

What some of us believe is, we do need law and order we can’t just start attacking the law because it doesn’t agree with us per se

 

When Kyle Rittenhouse got off, I considered him a murderer but the legal system acquitted him. I didn’t cry about it even though I didn’t like it I just considered it. The legal system ran its course and found him innocent.

 

You all believe that any time the legal system does something you don’t like then they are evil, and under the firm of the Democratic Party which I find kind of ironic, because the DOJ is filled with Republicans