SCBills Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Kincaid will be playing a lot in the slot. Beane said it. He said he’d play out wide some. He’s a mismatch and a label isn’t needed. I don’t see the problem with having “pass catchers” if that how someone wants to “label” them. Labels are of no consequence They are when you’re weak at a position and don’t properly address the weakness due to the hope a concept absolves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: Kincaid will be playing a lot in the slot. Beane said it. He said he’d play out wide some. He’s a mismatch and a label isn’t needed. I don’t see the problem with having “pass catchers” if that how someone wants to “label” them. Labels are of no consequence I think the issue is more that the state media was spitting it out last year when it was baloney. I confess that phrase winds me the ***** up too now for the same reason. Even though the logic of it does actually work with Kincaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: That’s what they said about Warren Sapp and Randy Moss. 2 exceptional talents that were top 5 players in the draft (of not higher) It’s a risk…. Every player drafted is a risk. I think Davis, while being WR2 will be more of option 3-4 and play more of the role he had played prior to 2022. More like 70% of the snaps as opposed to 90%. I think Kincaid will be our WR2 without the label as such. Maybe not early on, but towards the playoffs and going forward. I expect him to be our main slot WR. I also think Harty will play more outside than people think. Those were different risks that’s marijuana use. When you’re Carter and show up at your own draft day fat and out of shape then add to that what’s going off the field good luck with giving this guy a multimillion dollar contract. As for Smith he had a great combine but olinemen will engulf him cause he is undersized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: They are when you’re weak at a position and don’t properly address the weakness due to the hope a concept absolves it. Kincaid is a TE because he’s labeled a TE. Beane said it himself, when he’s out there- it’ll be more 11 or 11.5 personnel than 12. Basically telling us that Kincaid is a WR. A WR that will play some TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just now, NewEra said: Kincaid is a TE because he’s labeled a TE. Beane said it himself, when he’s out there- it’ll be more 11 or 11.5 personnel than 12. Basically telling us that Kincaid is a WR. A WR that will play some TE Yes .. and I said I’m not as worried this year as I was last year. You just took issue with my tongue in cheek annoyance at the term “pass catchers” and I’m explaining why. I think our base offense, as it stands looks like this: WR (3) Diggs - Kincaid - Davis TE (1) Knox Rotational WR (2) Shakir / Harty RB (2) Cook/Harris Gadget (1) Hines I foresee the Bills being in primarily 12 personnel disguised as 11 personnel. I think it has a ton of potential. I’d still like one more legit WR to push Davis & safeguard against Diggs or Davis missing any time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yes .. and I said I’m not as worried this year as I was last year. You just took issue with my tongue in cheek annoyance at the term “pass catchers” and I’m explaining why. I think our base offense, as it stands looks like this: WR (3) Diggs - Kincaid - Davis TE (1) Knox Rotational WR (2) Shakir / Harty RB (2) Cook/Harris Gadget (1) Hines I foresee the Bills being in primarily 12 personnel disguised as 11 personnel. I think it has a ton of potential. I’d still like one more legit WR to push Davis & safeguard against Diggs or Davis missing any time. Should help the running game be more effective when they kick Kincaid to the OL to help block. All dependent on dorsey having some gimme plays and scheming players open and running multiple plays from the same formation and on Josh to not force every pass and to actually throw short 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yes .. and I said I’m not as worried this year as I was last year. You just took issue with my tongue in cheek annoyance at the term “pass catchers” and I’m explaining why. I think our base offense, as it stands looks like this: WR (3) Diggs - Kincaid - Davis TE (1) Knox Rotational WR (2) Shakir / Harty RB (2) Cook/Harris Gadget (1) Hines I foresee the Bills being in primarily 12 personnel disguised as 11 personnel. I think it has a ton of potential. I’d still like one more legit WR to push Davis & safeguard against Diggs or Davis missing any time. Teams will have to pick their poison. Will you play a 4-3 base and ask an OLB to cover Kincaid? Or do you play a 4-2-5 and risk getting gashed. Philly has used 12 or as Beane called it 11 1/2 personnel to create mismatches for years. There are some great explanations here...This article is literally gold: https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/9/1/21403795/eagles-film-room-benefits-12-personnel-zach-ertz-dallas-goedert-tight-ends-contract-philadelphia-nfl This instantly puts a defense in a bind. If they decided to keep 7 men in the box, the offense will have a numbers advantage and should be able to find a gap unblocked. If they put 8 in the box you are forcing them to play a single high safety. Some other good stuff: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=566603448626979 https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/12/21/18152254/philadelphia-eagles-zach-ertz-dallas-goedert-nick-foles-12-personnel Edited April 28 by MrEpsYtown 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the issue is more that the state media was spitting it out last year when it was baloney. I confess that phrase winds me the ***** up too now for the same reason. Even though the logic of it does actually work with Kincaid. Idk…. Maybe I just wasn’t paying enough attention to it to notice last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 34 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Those were different risks that’s marijuana use. When you’re Carter and show up at your own draft day fat and out of shape then add to that what’s going off the field good luck with giving this guy a multimillion dollar contract. As for Smith he had a great combine but olinemen will engulf him cause he is undersized. it wasn’t just weed with moss. There were character concerns. Regarding Sapp, the nfl security report allegedly claimed sapp had failed a cocaine test and 6 weed tests (including one at the combine). In 1996, that’s character concern. Slightly different than Carter, I agree, but still the same basis. Character. Size could be an issue for smith, no doubt. He’s the same size as Hassan Reddick, the guy he’ll replace in 2024. I think he’s in the perfect position. He’ll be a rotational pass rusher early on while he gains weight. He can develop into a problem. I think he’s a 3-4 OLB but I also think Philly will find a way to use him properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, NewEra said: it wasn’t just weed with moss. There were character concerns. Regarding Sapp, the nfl security report allegedly claimed sapp had failed a cocaine test and 6 weed tests (including one at the combine). In 1996, that’s character concern. Slightly different than Carter, I agree, but still the same basis. Character. Size could be an issue for smith, no doubt. He’s the same size as Hassan Reddick, the guy he’ll replace in 2024. I think he’s in the perfect position. He’ll be a rotational pass rusher early on while he gains weight. He can develop into a problem. I think he’s a 3-4 OLB but I also think Philly will find a way to use him properly. They better the level of QBs they will play this year is slightly better than it was last year until the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Kincaid! Huh . . . . we all called that, didn't we?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedGame Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 hours ago, Jerboski said: I mean aren’t you pissed as well in the bar scenario Nope. I’m not that thirsty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Tonight is the run on wide receivers... I'll guess that 12 will be taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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