Doc Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Sorry, the blue cities are sanctuary cities. You have to take them. 3
Gregg Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, Doc said: Sorry, the blue cities are sanctuary cities. You have to take them. It's funny watching the libs turn into NIMBY's when they have to deal with problem. I hope everyone of these illegals keeps getting sent to NY, CHI, and CA. In NY both Hochul and Adams are crying that they can't take anymore. 3 1
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gregg said: It's funny watching the libs turn into NIMBY's when they have to deal with problem. I hope everyone of these illegals keeps getting sent to NY, CHI, and CA. In NY both Hochul and Adams are crying that they can't take anymore. Rooting for human trafficking certainly is a position. Not a good one, but a position nonetheless... 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Gregg said: It's funny watching the libs turn into NIMBY's when they have to deal with problem. I hope everyone of these illegals keeps getting sent to NY, CHI, and CA. In NY both Hochul and Adams are crying that they can't take anymore. They would not even care if it wasn't for the dem loyalist in the cities fighting with the immigrants over services. 9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Rooting for human trafficking certainly is a position. Every one of you, every time you support the open border. the cartels thank you. the women, children raped and killed on the trek don't though. 5
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Every one of you, every time you support the open border. the cartels thank you. the women, children raped and killed on the trek don't though. Fun fact: I do not actually support an open border. But it fits your narrative if I did, so you believe it. Feelings > Facts as always.
Tommy Callahan Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Fun fact: I do not actually support an open border. But it fits your narrative if I did, so you believe it. Feelings > Facts as always. Meh. you all attacked any narrative on fixing it, as racist or some other insult. that's support
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: Meh. you all attacked any narrative on fixing it, as racist or some other insult. that's support No I didn't. But once again, you'll believe anything that makes you feel good, even if you yourself are making it up. It's honestly pretty sad. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: No I didn't. But once again, you'll believe anything that makes you feel good, even if you yourself are making it up. It's honestly pretty sad. OK, revisionist history. at any ways, you voted for it and continue to stump for the ones that support it.
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Tommy Callahan said: OK, revisionist history. at any ways, you voted for it and continue to stump for the ones that support it. You seem to tell yourself that you know a lot about me, but you're just living in a dream world, buddy. Keep on fantasizing if it makes you feel good, I guess.
Tommy Callahan Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 even the locals in your city are getting fed up with the results. when you vote for a party that promotes open borders and sanctuary. and they win, you get the results. But never mind, that's all some fantasy. 1
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: even the locals in your city are getting fed up with the results. when you vote for a party that promotes open borders and sanctuary. and they win, you get the results. But never mind, that's all some fantasy. You really truly believe that every Democrat believes the same thing huh? You've just created an idea of what a liberal is and assume every single person who votes Democrat believes the same thing. It's a ridiculous and childish thing to believe, but I bet it makes your feel good, which appears to be all that matters to you. Who cares about facts and truth when you can just slander everyone your disagree with? Ask yourself this: If the GOP has the solution for big cities, why can't they win elections?
Doc Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Rooting for human trafficking certainly is a position. Not a good one, but a position nonetheless... Human trafficking. LOL! I guess it's only OK when it's to the US, not inside the US... 1
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Human trafficking. LOL! I guess it's only OK when it's to the US, not inside the US... It's actually not ok anywhere. It's just more disgusting when done by elected officials and celebrated by Americans.
Irv Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: You really truly believe that every Democrat believes the same thing huh? You've just created an idea of what a liberal is and assume every single person who votes Democrat believes the same thing. It's a ridiculous and childish thing to believe, but I bet it makes your feel good, which appears to be all that matters to you. Who cares about facts and truth when you can just slander everyone your disagree with? Ask yourself this: If the GOP has the solution for big cities, why can't they win elections? They don't give out free *****. 1
Doc Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: It's actually not ok anywhere. It's just more disgusting when done by elected officials and celebrated by Americans. What's wrong with sending them to sanctuary cities? These cities have long stated that they welcome illegal aliens with open arms. What changed? 1
Pokebball Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Fun fact: I do not actually support an open border. But it fits your narrative if I did, so you believe it. Feelings > Facts as always. Curious as to what additional measures you would then support 1
ChiGoose Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: What's wrong with sending them to sanctuary cities? These cities have long stated that they welcome illegal aliens with open arms. What changed? I'm not sure you understand what a sanctuary city actually is Just now, Pokebball said: Curious as to what additional measures you would then support You'd have to go to the root causes of the crisis, which are many, including instability in Central America, underfunded/understaffed immigration courts, drug smuggling, etc. Much of the current crisis is being driven by refugees who are able to cross the border legally so long as they present themselves to the government and make their claim. However, the process can take a long time, which discourages compliance with the law and encourages them to find other means to enter the country. Here's a couple things that I think could put a good dent in the problem: Partner with some of the more stable Central American countries to coordinate processing of asylum claims and more orderly distribution of refugees throughout the region Increase funding and staffing for immigration courts and agencies to more quickly process claims If people could immigrate legally but would have to wait many years, they're more likely to come in illegally Immigration courts are currently severely under-resourced, causing delays to adjudication and creating incentives to enter illegally Beef up case management and other alternatives to detention It's expensive and often counter productive to house people while waiting for processing. This is especially true due to the delays caused by the overburdened immigration court system Having CBP officers handing out diapers and feeding immigrants isn't a good use of their time or talents Strong case management programs can help people navigate the immigration process and find safe and stable living conditions while their case is pending without requiring the US to house them A pilot ICE program called Family Case Management Program had an over 99% compliance rate with ICE check-ins and court appearances This allows people to be productive members of society while staying compliant with immigration laws Modify ports of entry to address increased immigration Ports of entry currently only allow a limited number of people to present claims per day. Legally, anyone should be able to present themselves at a port of entry to make a claim of asylum Currently, refugees have the choice of waiting for weeks or months to present their claim or finding another way into the country Ports of entry should be properly staffed to handle asylum claims in a timely manner, incentivizing people to enter the country legally Stabilizing the region Any aid to unstable Central American countries should be conditioned on progress on reforms and moving towards stability. Drugs I know it's controversial, but legalizing marijuana and looking at harm reduction policies for other harder drugs would reduce the demand for cartel drugs. Security Border security should be focused on how people actually come in to the country and utilize technology instead of a big dumb and expensive wall across the border Renovating and staffing the ports of entry to actually handle expected volumes of asylum claims would not only allow them to process people as they arrived, but it would incentivize future refugees to present themselves at ports and comply with the law instead of finding alternative pathways into the US More funding for sensors, drones, and other technologies that provide a low-cost, but more effective approach to identifying smugglers, drugs, and other contraband. Most contraband comes through ports of entry, so such technology, when paired with increases in staffing, should help catch more smuggling attempts Drones and cameras can provide real-time notice of people crossing the border outside of ports of entry Such solutions, however, would require strong conditions against their use to surveil US citizens living in the border zone I'd also like to see some comprehensive immigration reform that expands eligibility, but the above list is focused on how to reduce the crisis under existing law without changing who is able to enter legally and who is not.
Doc Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I'm not sure you understand what a sanctuary city actually is Apparently neither do they.
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 32 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I'm not sure you understand what a sanctuary city actually is You'd have to go to the root causes of the crisis, which are many, including instability in Central America, underfunded/understaffed immigration courts, drug smuggling, etc. Much of the current crisis is being driven by refugees who are able to cross the border legally so long as they present themselves to the government and make their claim. However, the process can take a long time, which discourages compliance with the law and encourages them to find other means to enter the country. Here's a couple things that I think could put a good dent in the problem: Partner with some of the more stable Central American countries to coordinate processing of asylum claims and more orderly distribution of refugees throughout the region Increase funding and staffing for immigration courts and agencies to more quickly process claims If people could immigrate legally but would have to wait many years, they're more likely to come in illegally Immigration courts are currently severely under-resourced, causing delays to adjudication and creating incentives to enter illegally Beef up case management and other alternatives to detention It's expensive and often counter productive to house people while waiting for processing. This is especially true due to the delays caused by the overburdened immigration court system Having CBP officers handing out diapers and feeding immigrants isn't a good use of their time or talents Strong case management programs can help people navigate the immigration process and find safe and stable living conditions while their case is pending without requiring the US to house them A pilot ICE program called Family Case Management Program had an over 99% compliance rate with ICE check-ins and court appearances This allows people to be productive members of society while staying compliant with immigration laws Modify ports of entry to address increased immigration Ports of entry currently only allow a limited number of people to present claims per day. Legally, anyone should be able to present themselves at a port of entry to make a claim of asylum Currently, refugees have the choice of waiting for weeks or months to present their claim or finding another way into the country Ports of entry should be properly staffed to handle asylum claims in a timely manner, incentivizing people to enter the country legally Stabilizing the region Any aid to unstable Central American countries should be conditioned on progress on reforms and moving towards stability. Drugs I know it's controversial, but legalizing marijuana and looking at harm reduction policies for other harder drugs would reduce the demand for cartel drugs. Security Border security should be focused on how people actually come in to the country and utilize technology instead of a big dumb and expensive wall across the border Renovating and staffing the ports of entry to actually handle expected volumes of asylum claims would not only allow them to process people as they arrived, but it would incentivize future refugees to present themselves at ports and comply with the law instead of finding alternative pathways into the US More funding for sensors, drones, and other technologies that provide a low-cost, but more effective approach to identifying smugglers, drugs, and other contraband. Most contraband comes through ports of entry, so such technology, when paired with increases in staffing, should help catch more smuggling attempts Drones and cameras can provide real-time notice of people crossing the border outside of ports of entry Such solutions, however, would require strong conditions against their use to surveil US citizens living in the border zone I'd also like to see some comprehensive immigration reform that expands eligibility, but the above list is focused on how to reduce the crisis under existing law without changing who is able to enter legally and who is not. Just to the first comment- what is a sanctuary city if not a place where people unwelcome elsewhere are welcomed? 1
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