Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chris farley said: I had a nice piece of salmon and quinoa for dinner. Even tried one of these amber stellas. Very impressed and I'm not a beer drinker. My mother made and sent me a homemade lemon/ricotta cake. So gonna have a bit of that later. Maybe On my way to work this morning I passed a pretty ugly vehicle accident. One of the vehicles looked familiar. Had a coexist sticker on it. Hope this safety plays as good as he looks on tape. Hyde and poyer ain't getting younger. I dislike quinoa intensely. Didn't know stella made an amber. No cake altho I liked the band. Leftover Salmon is pretty good too. And yes. Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Kemp said: Empty? Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was dismissed from his position and later pled guilty to making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition.[174][175] Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[179] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[180][181] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[182][183] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[184] in February 2018. George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[185] Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[186] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[187] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[188] Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch lawyer with the global law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, he pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement to investigators while answering questions about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[189] But it's a conspiracy....while they are the party of Jewish space lasers, qanon, and literally daily conspiracy theories. Every day a new one. Zero self awareness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 What do trump's associates or mtg tweet have anything to do with trump being indicted or ever actually convicted of an investigation. Nothing. All strawman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris farley said: What do trump's associates or mtg tweet have anything to do with trump being indicted or ever actually convicted of an investigation. Nothing. All strawman. You act blissfully unaware of connections between Trump and Russia, even though we all know you are aware. 4 of the people cited worked for Trump and were found guilty in issues that involved Russia. It takes longer to get the Don than the criminals who work for the Don. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Kemp said: Empty? Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was dismissed from his position and later pled guilty to making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition.[174][175] Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[179] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[180][181] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[182][183] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[184] in February 2018. George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[185] Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[186] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[187] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[188] Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch lawyer with the global law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, he pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement to investigators while answering questions about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[189] 4 cases of lying to investigators, Manafort's tax evasion charges prior to joining the campaign. A Dutch lawyer? That's a stretch. And Stone meeting with a Russian person? That's not a crime. But this same Russian person, met with Glen Simpson at FusionGPS. The guy Hillary used as a conduit to funnel payments to Steele for the bogus dossier. Does that seem the least bit suspicious to you? What could they have possibly discussed? Should we scrutinize all of Mr. Simpson's contacts too? So how many millions votes and which States did this alleged interference change? Reality is a lot of people have been bullshitted into believing this story for 7 years and there's no turning back for them. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: That's not a crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/politics/trump-roger-stone-clemency.html You MAGA's try so hard, but the truth is the truth. There's no such thing as alternative facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: 4 cases of lying to investigators, Manafort's tax evasion charges prior to joining the campaign. A Dutch lawyer? That's a stretch. And Stone meeting with a Russian person? That's not a crime. But this same Russian person, met with Glen Simpson at FusionGPS. The guy Hillary used as a conduit to funnel payments to Steele for the bogus dossier. Does that seem the least bit suspicious to you? What could they have possibly discussed? Should we scrutinize all of Mr. Simpson's contacts too? So how many millions votes and which States did this alleged interference change? Reality is a lot of people have been bullshitted into believing this story for 7 years and there's no turning back for them. How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern? So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected? There is no disputing that he did. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/politics/trump-roger-stone-clemency.html You MAGA's try so hard, but the truth is the truth. There's no such thing as alternative facts. The truth is Trump pardoned Stone. So what's you're point? 2 minutes ago, Kemp said: How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern? So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected? There is no disputing that he did. I don't think Putin tried to get Trump elected. What would he want to do that for? To keep Biden's administration from destroying America and our standing in the world community? Great plan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, Kemp said: How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern? So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected? There is no disputing that he did. If nothing illegal was done, why did they all lie so much? If there was nothing nefarious they would have just told the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I don't think Putin tried to get Trump elected. What would he want to do that for? Hannity did not air the part of his interview where trump said he'd have let Putin invade. And what about this. Presumably you accept some of Mueller's finding and completely reject others The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice. Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses. A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice. Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016 Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1] Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3] Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4] https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/ Mostly willful ignorance by the MAGA's but in this case it might be feigned. Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: If nothing illegal was done, why did they all lie so much? If there was nothing nefarious they would have just told the truth. I don't know why they lied. Perhaps poor judgment? But the only charge was lying to investigators and if they told "the truth" there would have been no charges for anything. So the lesson is that if FBI or some other law enforcement agency asked you questions either tell the truth or decline to answer their questions without the presence of your attorney. 11 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Hannity did not air the part of his interview where trump said he'd have let Putin invade. Mostly willful ignorance by the MAGA's but in this case it might be feigned. That's a moot point. Because if Trump was President the Russians wouldn't have invaded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, Kemp said: You act blissfully unaware of connections between Trump and Russia, even though we all know you are aware. 4 of the people cited worked for Trump and were found guilty in issues that involved Russia. It takes longer to get the Don than the criminals who work for the Don. So The aticle is about Don, And every time you all investigated and said he was going down (and this thread). then went with his associates to prove this time is different than all the rest. Now its back to mueller and fox news. Lots of strawmen being tossed. WHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The truth is Trump pardoned Stone. So what's you're point? I don't think Putin tried to get Trump elected. What would he want to do that for? To keep Biden's administration from destroying America and our standing in the world community? Great plan. If you don't understand that Putin wanted Trump to win, you're a simpleton. More likely, you just refuse to admit it because then you would have to face up to reality. Why do you believe Trump refused to have an American translator with him when he spoke to Putin? Why do you believe Tucker Carlson is regularly featured on Putin State TV in Russia? More coincidences? You can't answer these questions and you can't dispute them. Prove me wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Because if Trump was President the Russians wouldn't have invaded and you know this how, omnipresent one? 5 minutes ago, Chris farley said: So The aticle is about Don, And every time you all investigated and said he was going down (and this thread). then went with his associates to prove this time is different than all the rest. Now its back to mueller and fox news. Lots of strawmen being tossed. WHY Not straw men, We're arguing against the premise that trump and his band of traitors didn't work with Russians to win the election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: I don't know why they lied. Perhaps poor judgment? But the only charge was lying to investigators and if they told "the truth" there would have been no charges for anything. So the lesson is that if FBI or some other law enforcement agency asked you questions either tell the truth or decline to answer their questions without the presence of your attorney. They lied because they broke the law. I'd bet there was a lot more they got away with as well. It's not a conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: That's a moot point. Because if Trump was President the Russians wouldn't have invaded. Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Kemp said: Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this? it's almost like they had part of their brains washed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chris farley said: So The aticle is about Don, And every time you all investigated and said he was going down (and this thread). then went with his associates to prove this time is different than all the rest. Now its back to mueller and fox news. Lots of strawmen being tossed. WHY Strawmen? Multiple Trump employees found guilty for interactions with Russia. Coincidences all? BTW, do you agree with your beloved Trump that those that attacked the Capitol are heroes? Edited March 29, 2023 by Kemp 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kemp said: Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this? Biden's administration, thru re-inserting neocon Nuland and stepped up arms deliveries, encouraged Ukrainian paramilitary groups to step up attacks on ethnic Russian separatists in the east which began in 2014 and dismissed any diplomatic efforts and conversations between the parties. Escalation followed escalation and events unfolded to where they sit today. Trump's Department of State would have done neither. Now China is stepping into the vacuum and along with new partner France have begun engagement with Ukraine and Russia to broker a peace deal, absent Washington which of course is against any peace deal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Biden's administration, thru re-inserting neocon Nuland and stepped up arms deliveries, encouraged Ukrainian paramilitary groups to step up attacks on ethnic Russian separatists in the east which began in 2014 and dismissed any diplomatic efforts and conversations between the parties. Escalation followed escalation and events unfolded to where they sit today. Trump's Department of State would have done neither. Now China is stepping into the vacuum and along with new partner France have begun engagement with Ukraine and Russia to broker a peace deal, absent Washington which of course is against any peace deal. Sooo, no evidence. Got it. Just the usual making stuff up. 22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: it's almost like they had part of their brains washed away. Sometimes I think it's attempted trolling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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