Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m not claiming he has.  The statement I responded to was claiming he’d never recoup the money he’d lost when the reality is that he hasn’t lost a dime.  

 

He’s lost tens of thousands of dimes.

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

The money he would have made if he signed in 2021.

 

”Jackson was eligible for a new contract in 2021. He instead earned $1.77 million that year. Last year, under the fifth-year option, he made $23 million. That’s $24.77 million total over the last two years.

Just look at Josh Allen. Even at the maximum allowed rate of three percent, he has received $64.214 million over the last two years. Jackson has received 100 percent of $24.77 million.“

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/11/will-lamar-jackson-hire-an-agent-now-probably-not/amp/

And Lamar can still sign his name today and get a guaranteed $32 million just next season which would make it $55 million over a two year stretch and still be eligible for a brand new contract.

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

And Lamar can still sign his name today and get a guaranteed $32 million just next season which would make it $55 million over a two year stretch and still be eligible for a brand new contract.

A contract that will never catch up to what JA  already has in his bank account. 

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

By not signing a similar contract to JA at the same time Josh did. It has cost him between $30-40M through this year. Assuming he signs for only the $32M and not a long term context. Numerous people have articles or podcasts on it. 

Allen’s deal averages $43 million over 6 years, and it’s heavily back-loaded.  Lamar gets a minimum of $32 million in 2023 which is $4 million more than Josh will get.

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

Allen’s deal averages $43 million over 6 years, and it’s heavily back-loaded.  Lamar gets a minimum of $32 million in 2023 which is $4 million more than Josh will get.

JA has or will make $ 85M at the same time Lamar has made $55M .. the Josh contract has had a big signing bonus. Anyway you look at it he has lost significantly by not doing what Josh did. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Allen’s deal averages $43 million over 6 years, and it’s heavily back-loaded.  Lamar gets a minimum of $32 million in 2023 which is $4 million more than Josh will get.

 

Why do you keep ignoring the past 2 seasons?  And $43M is $11M more than $32M.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

He’s lost tens of thousands of dimes.

 

You will need a front loader to pick up all the dimes he’s lost. There is a reason most NFL players don’t let Mommy play agent. He certainly has that right, but this is where it gets him.

 

He can’t even get market value, because HIS is market value minus two first round picks. If this is a chess game, he might want to have a violent sneeze and knock over the board. 

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Why do you keep ignoring the past 2 seasons?  And $43M is $11M more than $32M.

What are you even suggesting he should have done?  Lamar wasn’t even offered his extension until September 2022.  Josh signed his in 2021, so it’s apples versus oranges.  Lamar earned $23 million last year and will earn a minimum of $32 million this year.  That’s $55 million in two seasons following the contract offer, and he’ll be a free agent again after the season.  Kirk Cousins has made an obscene fortune doing the same thing.

[Einstein]

14 minutes ago, Billl said:

And Lamar can still sign his name today and get a guaranteed $32 million just next season which would make it $55 million over a two year stretch and still be eligible for a brand new contract.

 

Which would be still be nearly $40M less than if he had signed.

 

There is no way for Lamar to catch up to where he would have been. It’s impossible.

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Which would be still be nearly $40M less than if he had signed.

 

There is no way for Lamar to catch up to where he would have been. It’s impossible.

How do you figure?  He’s almost certainly going to sign a massive deal before this upcoming season with a huge signing bonus that averages more that the $44 million deal he turned down.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

What are you even suggesting he should have done?  Lamar wasn’t even offered his extension until September 2022.  Josh signed his in 2021, so it’s apples versus oranges.  Lamar earned $23 million last year and will earn a minimum of $32 million this year.  That’s $55 million in two seasons following the contract offer, and he’ll be a free agent again after the season.  Kirk Cousins has made an obscene fortune doing the same thing.

 

Word is he was offered more than Josh right after Josh signed.  But he turned it down. 

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

How do you figure?  He’s almost certainly going to sign a massive deal before this upcoming season with a huge signing bonus that averages more that the $44 million deal he turned down.

A deal that will never recoup the $30M that Josh has earned over him the past 2 years in particular. If he signed in 2022 as he could have. Perhaps JA’s agent proactively reached out to the Bills in 2021? Lamar had no such expert doing so on his behalf. He may surpass Josh on average for a few years.. but it would have to be by $30M over the next 4 years. Then Josh signs his next contract in his prime around the age 29 or 30. 
Not trying to be disrespectful or difficult but he’s not gonna make up the $ or the relationship with the Ravens. PM JA JB get that part of it. It’s not the diva WR it’s the face of the franchise. 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Which would be still be nearly $40M less than if he had signed.

 

There is no way for Lamar to catch up to where he would have been. It’s impossible.

 

The Browns are here to remind us that NOTHING is impossible.  😋

 

 

IF Lamar stays healthy, he may make more money in the long run by dragging his feet. The market does nothing but go up. BUT, the only way I see it happening is to play under the Tag, collect $32mil and then go from there. I suggest actually playing a full season, then doing well in the playoffs. Earn a contract on the field, not sitting out while injured. 

 

It’s a gamble for both sides. I don’t like the idea of fully guaranteed contracts, I freely admit. Too many Haynesworth and The Captain types. 

[Doc]

That's assuming he doesn't get injured against this coming season.

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Word is he was offered more than Josh right after Josh signed.  But he turned it down. 

 

He could have taken it in Crypto like OBJ, then they could share financial and investment advice in the locker room. 

 

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Edited April 11, 2023 by Augie

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, Doc said:

That's assuming he doesn't get injured against this coming season.

Agree while Josh enjoys 4 more years of $ and no contract or injury concerns. Injury with respect to the $ to be clear. 

[Einstein]

44 minutes ago, Billl said:

How do you figure?  He’s almost certainly going to sign a massive deal before this upcoming season with a huge signing bonus that averages more that the $44 million deal he turned down.

 

Because that money is already lost.

Even if he signs a monster deal now, he can’t catch up because even if it’s $40M more than Allen’s, that just breaks him even, and he’ll be under contract for 2 years longer than Allen because he dragged his feet.

 

His best case scenario is he breaks even with what he could have gotten (assuming a $40M offset), and doesn’t hit free agency until 2 years after the other QB’s in his draft class.

[Billl]

47 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

A deal that will never recoup the $30M that Josh has earned over him the past 2 years in particular. If he signed in 2022 as he could have. Perhaps JA’s agent proactively reached out to the Bills in 2021? Lamar had no such expert doing so on his behalf. He may surpass Josh on average for a few years.. but it would have to be by $30M over the next 4 years. Then Josh signs his next contract in his prime around the age 29 or 30. 
Not trying to be disrespectful or difficult but he’s not gonna make up the $ or the relationship with the Ravens. PM JA JB get that part of it. It’s not the diva WR it’s the face of the franchise. 

So we’re now blaming Lamar for not signing the contract that was offered to Josh Allen.  You’re joking, right?  In case you haven’t noticed, Josh is a better player than Lamar.  He’s always going to make more than Lamar.  That said, Lamar made a ton of money last year, and he’s going to make a ton of money this year.  

 

There are 32 teams who need a QB capable of playing at an MVP level, and LJ is one of about 10 people in the world who fit that description.  He’s going to get a MASSIVE contract. It’s probably not going to break records, but it’s going to make him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams.  All the people clutching their pearls worrying about Lamar’s financial well-being will finally be able to breathe easy.

[Billl]

17 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Because that money is already lost.

Even if he signs a monster deal now, he can’t catch up because even if it’s $40M more than Allen’s, that just breaks him even, and he’ll be under contract for 2 years longer than Allen because he dragged his feet.

 

His best case scenario is he breaks even with what he could have gotten (assuming a $40M offset), and doesn’t hit free agency until 2 years after the other QB’s in his draft class.

What money is lost?  He’s going to make more than Josh this year if he signs the Franchise tag.  In all likelihood, that won’t happen though.  He’s going to sign an even bigger contract than he was supposedly offered last season, and he will have made more money playing under his existing deal in 2022 than he would have if he’d signed a new deal last year.  

 

The math isn’t that difficult.  Players give up money by signing long term deals in exchange for the security of guaranteed money.  The only way it’s a losing proposition is if he sustains a long-term injury.  A franchise QB will always make more playing on one-year deals as long as they stay healthy.  

[QLBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, Billl said:

So we’re now blaming Lamar for not signing the contract that was offered to Josh Allen.  You’re joking, right?  In case you haven’t noticed, Josh is a better player than Lamar.  He’s always going to make more than Lamar.  That said, Lamar made a ton of money last year, and he’s going to make a ton of money this year.  

 

There are 32 teams who need a QB capable of playing at an MVP level, and LJ is one of about 10 people in the world who fit that description.  He’s going to get a MASSIVE contract. It’s probably not going to break records, but it’s going to make him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams.  All the people clutching their pearls worrying about Lamar’s financial well-being will finally be able to breathe easy.

I don’t blame him for not getting a contract. That’s not what I said. I stated that he would have benefited from an agent. Coming off an MVP season in 2019 ? Do you think his leverage at that time was higher than Josh? I think the NFL would have said yes. We as Bills fans accurately would have argued Josh would ultimately be the better player. 

I’ve above tried to not be snarky or disrespectful to your position which is flawed. No one is clutching pearls about a guy who has lost a ton of $. He’s just played it poorly. You bring up math but you somehow think that losing $30M doesn’t matter. Because he made so much $ the last two years. Ok it’s pointless to continue this discussion as you’re not going to see the obvious.