\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Article (may be behind paywall): https://www.orlandosentinel.com/food-restaurants/os-et-food-restaurant-orlando-beef-on-weck-western-new-york-classic-sandwich-20230117-7ikdgypfgzctbp7ocp7rcbpxt4-story.html Mentioned in the article: Beef on Weck Appreciation Society https://www.facebook.com/groups/44522687003/ Hinckley's Fancy Meats https://www.hinckleymeats.com/s/order?location=11e9834085f97ef997f50cc47a2b63cc Kitty O’Shea’s Irish Pub & Buffalo Bar https://www.kittyosheaspub.com/index.php/menu New York Beer Project http://www.nybeerproject.com/locations/orlando/menu The Pinball Lounge (also have Loganberry in the gun at the bar) http://www.thepinballlounge.com/pb/wp_ba7ea055/images/img1963862fa71aed33d2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 year ago, or so, I had a beef on weck in an Orlando area restaurant. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the restaurant. I was SO excited to get a BoW down here. It was terrible--but salvageable, if the cook knew anything about Buffalo area BoWs. The beef was cold and there was no au jus of any sort inside the sandwich, or on the side. It was a cold roast beef sandwich on an OK weck roll. A little TLC in the kitchen and it would have been tolerable. The article is behind a paywall, BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 And I don't see BoW on the Pinball Lounges' menu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Dean said: 10 year ago, or so, I had a beef on weck in an Orlando area restaurant. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the restaurant. I was SO excited to get a BoW down here. It was terrible--but salvageable, if the cook knew anything about Buffalo area BoWs. The beef was cold and there was no au jus of any sort inside the sandwich, or on the side. It was a cold roast beef sandwich on an OK weck roll. A little TLC in the kitchen and it would have been tolerable. Most people don't know what real BoW is. Even people who claim to know... 😆 Oh boy! Now you did it! It was terrible because you ordered a "French Dip" with a salted kaiser roll. Real original BoW calls for gravy not au jus! 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Most people don't know what real BoW is. Even people who claim to know... 😆 Oh boy! Now you did it! It was terrible because you ordered a "French Dip" with a salted kaiser roll. Real original BoW calls for gravy not au jus! 😉 I can tolerate a gravy BoW, but even you know that is BS. Who made the "original BoW"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Most people don't know what real BoW is. Even people who claim to know... 😆 Oh boy! Now you did it! It was terrible because you ordered a "French Dip" with a salted kaiser roll. Real original BoW calls for gravy not au jus! 😉 You are absolutely incorrect, but very funny! 😂 au jus guy here. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The Dean said: I can tolerate a gravy BoW, but even you know that is BS. Who made the "original BoW"? Light gravy... It's not BS. Schwabl's and Bailo's (Bailey & Lovejoy) both uses/used "gravy"... http://blog.buffalostories.com/torn-down-tuesday-bailos-famed-for-beef-on-weck-and-an-urban-legend/ "The well-done beef, usually topped with gravy and horseradish at Bailo’s, poured off of the full-sized kimmelweck roll." https://www.schwabls.com/menu/ "Hand Carved Roast Beef robust 1/2lb. serving of our in-house roasted beef, hand-carved to your liking. served on your choice of kümmelweck, bread with gravy or without." 5 minutes ago, Augie said: You are absolutely incorrect, but very funny! 😂 au jus guy here. Wrong! BoW is not a bougie sammich. It's a stick to your ribs, filling working man's sandwich from the origin. NOT sure how it got gentrified with a French dip. I am here to defend the honor of the sandwich against its bastardization and gentrification! 😆 Edited January 19, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Light gravy... Schwabl's and Bailo's (Bailey & Lovejoy) both uses/used "gravy"... http://blog.buffalostories.com/torn-down-tuesday-bailos-famed-for-beef-on-weck-and-an-urban-legend/ "The well-done beef, usually topped with gravy and horseradish at Bailo’s, poured off of the full-sized kimmelweck roll." https://www.schwabls.com/menu/ "Hand Carved Roast Beef robust 1/2lb. serving of our in-house roasted beef, hand-carved to your liking. served on your choice of kümmelweck, bread with gravy or without." If you are talking Schwabl’s “gravy” I’ll say that’s one of the First World’s lightest gravy’s. And delicious!!! Don’t miss the German Potato salad, warm with bacon and vinegar…… forgive me….I’m having a moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Augie said: If you are talking Schwabl’s “gravy” I’ll say that’s one of the First World’s lightest gravy’s. And delicious!!! Don’t miss the German Potato salad, warm with bacon and vinegar…… forgive me….I’m having a moment. Still gravy and not straight up drippings! Wiechec's is still in biz in Kaisertown... Off of Clinton. They are another original BoW place... Was there just a few weeks ago: Look @ the upper left corner of current menu. They also serve a French dip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) Side of gravy is $0.75... French Dip comes with au jus. /EndDebate... These are the real BoW places! Edited January 19, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Still gravy and not straight up drippings! Wiechec's is still in biz in Kaisertown... Off of Clinton. They are another original BoW place... Was there just a few weeks ago: Look @ the upper left corner of current menu. They also serve a French dip! This made me laugh! Talking about original, I was maybe just out of college living in Hilton Head Island. There was a pub owner in South Beach where I spent a lot of time. Run the dogs at the beach, lets them dry and the sand shake out while drinking beer. Helluva a plan and life, I must say! Anyway, I mentioned chicken wings to my pub buddy, and he had never heard of them. This is maybe 1981-83, and these people had never heard of chicken wings! We went to the grocery store, I did my best and we probably made the first wings in HHI, and maybe the state! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Augie said: This made me laugh! Talking about original, I was maybe just out of college living in Hilton Head Island. There was a pub owner in South Beach where I spent a lot of time. Run the dogs at the beach, lets them dry and the sand shake out while drinking beer. Helluva a plan and life, I must say! Anyway, I mentioned chicken wings to my pub buddy, and he had never heard of them. This is maybe 1981-83, and these people had never heard of chicken wings! We went to the grocery store, I did my best and we probably made the first wings in HHI, and maybe the state! Well you figure... 1981 was just under 20 years removed since they were invented at the "Anchor Bar." Put it into perspective... That's like asking someone now what was invented in say 2003. AND without the internet and social media! Poutine is kinda like that, is big up in Canada, and for what it's worth.. Certain parts of Chicago of all places... Remember, Chicago is historically a French settled town, local places here on NorthSide since 1950s/60s... Look how that is taking off all over the US. Ask most people outside the North and they still don't know what poutine is. ...Just my $0.01... 😏 Edited January 19, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Well you figure... 1981 was just under 20 years removed since they were invented at the "Anchor Bar." Put it into perspective... That's like asking someone now what was invented in say 2003. AND without the internet and social media! Poutine is kinda like that, is big up in Canada, and for what it's worth.. Certain parts of Chicago of all places... Remember, Chicago is historically a French settled town, local places here on NorthSide since 1950s/60s... Look how that is taking off all over the US. Ask most people outside the North and they still don't know what poutine is. ...Just my $0.01... 😏 Interestingly, I was just talking with some friends this afternoon about the unexpected French origin of Chicago. I think awareness is actually rising! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Most people don't know what real BoW is. Even people who claim to know... 😆 Oh boy! Now you did it! It was terrible because you ordered a "French Dip" with a salted kaiser roll. Real original BoW calls for gravy not au jus! 😉 50 minutes ago, Augie said: You are absolutely incorrect, but very funny! 😂 au jus guy here. I do what a Buffalonian is supposed to do, just dump a bottle of Frank's on it...I put that ***** on everything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I was doing some consulting in Indy recently and stopped at The District Tap on Meridian St and, to my surprise, they had ‘Beef on Weck’ on the menu. Ordered it but it was a hokey Kimmilweck roll. First and only time I tried it. It’s under ‘Sammies & Wraps’ on the menu: https://www.thedistricttap.com/menu/food/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I do what a Buffalonian is supposed to do, just dump a bottle of Frank's on it...I put that ***** on everything When I was first married to my Lebanese wife her very ill father had been in chemo for years. I won’t name all the ethnic food, but when he put Texas Pete on kibbeh I saw it as fair game! My wife gave me a very brief “that’s only because he can’t taste anything” look. I gave her the “I’d like to taste something” look. We’ll be married 38 years next month. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Augie said: Interestingly, I was just talking with some friends this afternoon about the unexpected French origin of Chicago. I think awareness is actually rising! 😂 How quickly we Americanize. This was French fur trading country here and onion fields... 😉 Actually Chicago was founded by a person of African decent: Jean Baptiste Point du Sable... So gravy is out of the question here! Edited January 19, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Augie said: Anyway, I mentioned chicken wings to my pub buddy, and he had never heard of them. This is maybe 1981-83, and these people had never heard of chicken wings! We went to the grocery store, I did my best and we probably made the first wings in HHI, and maybe the state! Went to college in the late 1980's and had chicken wings for the first time. Back home during one of the breaks, saw the local sub shop had chicken wings on their menu, so I ordered. What I received, was two full size chicken drumsticks, deep fried and sauced. Nice attempt, but definitely not what I would expect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) I think making them at home works fine. (I don't have any choice locally) I'm sure I'll be razzed but... Kaiser rolls coated with a light corn starch slurry to hold the sea salt and caraway. Usually use thin sliced high quality deli beef simmered in weak beef bullion juice. Done well it tastes better than most other pretenders I've tried at restaurants and is cheaper. and you can use as much juice or horseradish as you like. Edited January 19, 2023 by redtail hawk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I think making them at home works fine. (I don't have any choice locally) I'm sure I'll be razzed but... Kaiser rolls coated with a light corn starch slurry to hold the sea salt and caraway. Usually use thin sliced high quality deli beef simmered in weak beef bullion juice. Done well it tastes better than most other pretenders I've tried at restaurants and is cheaper. and you can use as much juice or horseradish as you like. When I worked in Polish deli... We would always cook the top round rare... Easier to slice, thin... AND more importantly... Will finish cooking in the GRAVY. A slow cooker/CrockPot (deli we had the chafing pans in the hot case) works well. Lightly soak both insides of the Roll before building the sandwich. Kinda like an Italian beef sandwich in Chicago. Build to taste: Dipped, Wet, or Dry... Oh... Whenever anybody ordered a pound of sliced top round (estimate: 1/4 pound per person) they received a free pint of GRAVY! 😉 In the biz, and original BoW... Gravy always goes farther than au jus. That's the practical element that was built into the original recipe for the sandwich. Heating the beef in the gravy finishes it off to where you like it. That's the original recipe. Oh... And don't forget the horseradish! Edited January 19, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 14 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Most people don't know what real BoW is. Even people who claim to know... 😆 Oh boy! Now you did it! It was terrible because you ordered a "French Dip" with a salted kaiser roll. Real original BoW calls for gravy not au jus! 😉 Now I understand the laughing emoji! French Dip is exactly what my Grandmother/Mother make and call Beef on Weck. It's good but overwhelming with the French Onion Soup Mix they use. Wife and I shared a killer Beef on Weck at Bar Bill a few months back and thats really what I am looking to make this weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Now I understand the laughing emoji! French Dip is exactly what my Grandmother/Mother make and call Beef on Weck. It's good but overwhelming with the French Onion Soup Mix they use. Wife and I shared a killer Beef on Weck at Bar Bill a few months back and thats really what I am looking to make this weekend. Yup! Bar-Bill is good, but not authentic. Go to Wiechec's on Clinton... Try their version of BoW. They also serve a French Dip too... French dip is what you get at Bar-Bill and Charlie's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Yup! Bar-Bill is good, but not authentic. Go to Wiechec's on Clinton... Try their version of BoW. They also serve a French Dip too... Good deal. French Dip is my wife's favorite sandwich, just gets weird about any fat. Glad she doesnt feel the same way about Husbands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Good deal. French Dip is my wife's favorite sandwich, just gets weird about any fat. Glad she doesnt feel the same way about Husbands. Yeah... Baguette/au jus vs. kimmelweck/gravy/horseradish. French vs. German/Polish... Now....Ever been to Chicago & try an "Italian beef" sandwich?... She may like the Italian version. They also do a "combo" that's an Italian beef with a link of Italian sausage added into the hoagie roll with the sliced beef. You can wet it with au jus to taste and add melted mozzarella, hot & sweet peppers and giardiniera if you like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah... Baguette/au jus vs. kimmelweck/gravy/horseradish. French vs. German/Polish... Now....Ever been to Chicago & try an "Italian beef" sandwich?... She may like the Italian version. They also do a "combo" that's an Italian beef with a link of Italian sausage added into the hoagie roll with the sliced beef. You can wet it with au jus to taste and add melted mozzarella, hot & sweet peppers and giardiniera if you like! Have to give it a whirl. I work out of Chicago and travel there a few times a year. Thank you for the recommendation! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Have to give it a whirl. I work out of Chicago and travel there a few times a year. Thank you for the recommendation! Bit off topic... Because it's a BFLo thread... But this would be right home in BFLo too! Sorry for going astray. All these sandwiches are widely similar. That be the Italian version! 😆....Like I said... I love the "combo" sandwich, that is just a link of Italian sausage added... Dynamite shot to your arteries! 😆 Regular Italian beef. Order it: Dipped, Wet, or Dry... "Combo" (Notice the link added) Edited January 19, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yup! Bar-Bill is good, but not authentic. Go to Wiechec's on Clinton... Try their version of BoW. They also serve a French Dip too... French dip is what you get at Bar-Bill and Charlie's... A hot roast beef sandwich is what you get at Wiechec's. The gravy makes it as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: A hot roast beef sandwich is what you get at Wiechec's. The gravy makes it as such. No. You can get that too. You can get three things at Wiechec's: Beef on Weck French Dip Hot roast beef sandwich. Look at the menu. ONLY French dip comes with the drippings... Same at Schwabl's... Why do you insist on changing the original recipe? Why is gravy so bad? You don't make a BoW with au jus. A BoW is heated in gravy. Just because you go to Bar-Bill or Charlie's, it doesn't make it right. /smdh... Outsiders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: No. You can get that too. You can get three things at Wiechec's: Beef on Weck French Dip Hot roast beef sandwich. I'll take, "All Three Are the Same at Wiechec's" for $2000, Ken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll take, "All Three Are the Same at Wiechec's" for $2000, Ken! No. 2 are the same. The French dip is different, it specifically uses au jus. Beef on weck is a variation of hot roast beef sandwich. Simple. BoW uses gravy. That's the recipe! Bar-Bill gets it wrong, Charlie's gets it wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: No. 2 are the same. The French dip is different, it specifically uses au jus. Beef on weck is a variation of hot roast beef sandwich. Simple. BoW uses gravy. That's the recipe! Bar-Bill gets it wrong, Charlie's gets it wrong. Do you honestly think Jesus Christ had gravy on his beef on weck at the last supper? NO. He had au jus. Luke 22:19-20. 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my au jus, which is poured out for you. See? No gravy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Do you honestly think Jesus Christ had gravy on his beef on weck at the last supper? NO. He had au jus. Luke 22:19-20. 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my au jus, which is poured out for you. See? No gravy. Of course... He's Jesus Christ... He can stretch anything, wine, basket of fish, au jus... But us common folk need to use a little corn starch or flour to have enough to feed the proletariat! 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 22 hours ago, Augie said: If you are talking Schwabl’s “gravy” I’ll say that’s one of the First World’s lightest gravy’s. And delicious!!! Don’t miss the German Potato salad, warm with bacon and vinegar…… forgive me….I’m having a moment. Schwabl's "gravy" is just fine by me. Bailo's was way too heavy for the sandwich, IMO. Plus their beef was WAY overcooked for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Dean said: Schwabl's "gravy" is just fine by me. Bailo's was way too heavy for the sandwich, IMO. Plus their beef was WAY overcooked for me. Yeah... Needs to be sliced rare. Gotta go in the gravy rare. Probably sat in there too long. And just because it's gravy... Doesn't mean it needs to be drenched. Sorta why I mentioned the Chicago Italian beef. That's ordered: Dipped, Wet, Dry. I like the beef on weck just wet... Among other things... 😈 Edited January 20, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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