MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: But wait! It sounds like you don't like their teambuilding philosophy, WHICH IS WHAT THIS FRICKING THREAD IS ABOUT. No your thread is about their Evaluation. My complaint is McD gets everything he needs for his defense and here is his patch work protection of their Franchise QB Vlad Ducasse Dion Dawkins - Top 10 LT (Draft)(2nd Round Pick) Russel Bodine Marshall Newhouse Spencer Long Jon Feliciano Mitch Morse - Top C (UFA) Ty Nsekhe LaAdrian Waddle Cody Ford (Draft) (2nd Round Pick) Quinton Spain Evan Boehm Garrett McGhin Daryl Williams Ike Boettger Bobby Hart Jamil Douglas Forrest Lamp Spencer Brown (Draft) (3rd) Jake Anderson (Draft) (7th) Tommy Doyle (Draft) (5th) Rodger Saffold Greg Mancz Ryan Bates So my count (alot more UFAs too that were fodder) 19 UFAs 5 Draft Picks And got 2 upper echelon OL. If they do have an evaluation problem it is with their ability to find OL, but then again maybe tell Sean he doesnt get to use all the money and premium picks on defense for once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Your thead is way off in its reasoning IMO. Maybe you should look at it from the concept of a "team". The team wins and the team loses. Josh could be replaced with a player like Mahomes. Every player on every team could be replaced with another player. It's about winning with the "team" that you have. A GM gathers the players, the coaches plan the way the team plays, and the players go out onto the field and play the game. Yesterday was a perfect example on how a team can win and a team can lose. The Jets outplayed the Bills as a team. The Bills lost because they did not play up to their potential. A team is, by definition, a collection of players. If the players aren't good enough, then the team isn't good enough. That's the problem I think we're facing with groups like the OL and the WRs. Outside of Diggs, Morse and MAYBE Dawkins, the rest just aren't good enough. 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No your thread is about their Evaluation. My complaint is McD gets everything he needs for his defense and here is his patch work protection of their Franchise QB Vlad Ducasse Dion Dawkins - Top 10 LT (Draft)(2nd Round Pick) Russel Bodine Marshall Newhouse Spencer Long Jon Feliciano Mitch Morse - Top C (UFA) Ty Nsekhe LaAdrian Waddle Cody Ford (Draft) (2nd Round Pick) Quinton Spain Evan Boehm Garrett McGhin Daryl Williams Ike Boettger Bobby Hart Jamil Douglas Forrest Lamp Spencer Brown (Draft) (3rd) Jake Anderson (Draft) (7th) Tommy Doyle (Draft) (5th) Rodger Saffold Greg Mancz Ryan Bates So my count (alot more UFAs too that were fodder) 19 UFAs 5 Draft Picks And got 2 upper echelon OL. If they do have an evaluation problem it is with their ability to find OL, but then again maybe tell Sean he doesnt get to use all the money and premium picks on defense for once. At this point, I think we're talking past each other. I agree that they've absolutely sucked at building an OL, and may even be worse with evaluating receivers. And how the HELL did you remember Jamil Douglas being on the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: A team is, by definition, a collection of players. If the players aren't good enough, then the team isn't good enough. That's the problem I think we're facing with groups like the OL and the WRs. Outside of Diggs, Morse and MAYBE Dawkins, the rest just aren't good enough. Then McDermott is an excellent coach because the vast majority of his roster is "just not good enough". Poyer...not good enough. Hyde...not good enough. White...not good enough. Von Miller....not good enough. Milano....not good enough. DaQuan....not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Then McDermott is an excellent coach because the vast majority of his roster is "just not good enough". Poyer...not good enough. Hyde...not good enough. White...not good enough. Von Miller....not good enough. Milano....not good enough. DaQuan....not good enough. Reading is fundamental, RiC. That post was speaking specifically about WR and OL Do try and keep up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: A team is, by definition, a collection of players. If the players aren't good enough, then the team isn't good enough. That's the problem I think we're facing with groups like the OL and the WRs. Outside of Diggs, Morse and MAYBE Dawkins, the rest just aren't good enough. At this point, I think we're talking past each other. I agree that they've absolutely sucked at building an OL, and may even be worse with evaluating receivers. And how the HELL did you remember Jamil Douglas being on the team? I had to look some up. And believe me I left off at least another 10 guys that were on the team for like a cup of coffee.... I think they evaluate fine, JUST SPEND THE ASSETS. Other than Diggs and Josh the offense has never been a Focus of McD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, MAJBobby said: I had to look some up. And believe me I left off at least another 10 guys that were on the team for like a cup of coffee.... I think they evaluate fine, JUST SPEND THE ASSETS. Other than Diggs and Josh the offense has never been a Focus of McD. And yet, the needle of performance on defense hasn't moved in any significant way. Why is that? Given all the investment, it should be the best of the best, and it's just not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: A team is, by definition, a collection of players. If the players aren't good enough, then the team isn't good enough. That's the problem I think we're facing with groups like the OL and the WRs. Outside of Diggs, Morse and MAYBE Dawkins, the rest just aren't good enough. LOL you are totally right, and I bow to your wisdom. The Bills should be the 1st team in NFL history to have All Pro HOFer's in every position. I mean really, how hard can that be! Seriously, the Bills lost to an inferior team. There are a ton of bad things in "hindsight" that caused it. As a fan I'll watch next Sunday's game and hope the "team" plays better (or they can lose again). That's the way sporting events go. The Bills put together an organization that has them able to be on top of the hill. Getting up there for a moment is very hard. It's also extremely hard to stay up there. If you lose focus for just a moment another team wanting to get there will knock you down. It's as simple as that for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL you are totally right, and I bow to your wisdom. Thanks for the acknowledgement. The thing that makes it difficult for me is, I live in Eagles country. I see the offense they've built in a couple seasons with a MUCH inferior QB, and I wonder to myself why the Bills couldn't do the same. AJ Brown is a monster opposite Devonta Smith while ALSO building a monster running game AND having a really solid top-to-bottom defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And yet, the needle of performance on defense hasn't moved in any significant way. Why is that? Given all the investment, it should be the best of the best, and it's just not. It is the topped Ranke Defense in the NFL. I just think it is easier to win with the top ranked Offense. Look at MIA two LETHAL WRs and doesnt matter their defense cannot stop anything. Edited November 7, 2022 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: It is the topped Ranke Defense in the NFL. I just think it is easier to win with the top ranked Offense. Look at MIA two LETHAL WRs and doesnt matter their defense cannot stop anything. Doesn't keep them from winning, though, does it? I'll refrain from a trite 13 seconds mention when it comes to the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: You're missing the point. I'm saying beane and McDermott have done a pretty meh job of talent evaluation, especially in the past 3 drafts. 6 and 2…….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: 6 and 2…….. yes. for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And yet, the needle of performance on defense hasn't moved in any significant way. Why is that? Given all the investment, it should be the best of the best, and it's just not. It's hard to get much better than a top 3 defense. We are currently : 1st in points against in the NFL 4th in total yds given up in the NFL 5th in pass yds given up in the NFL 6th in rush yds given up in the NFL But hey, keep pushing that bull💩 line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Doesn't keep them from winning, though, does it? I'll refrain from a trite 13 seconds mention when it comes to the defense. If you are trying to get me to say I think they focus on the wrong group far too often, I will say that, they built the Top Defense in the NFL. I would rather them take those assets and build around their Franchise QB. But at the end of the day the team and the way they bult it is 55–33 (.625) and the most winning coach in Franchise History Been to the playoffs every year but one They are also now with the top Defense in the league a 6-2 record and top in the AFC and AFCE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Dopey said: It's hard to get much better than a top 3 defense. We are currently : 1st in points against in the NFL 4th in total yds given up in the NFL 5th in pass yds given up in the NFL 6th in rush yds given up in the NFL But hey, keep pushing that bull💩 line. K. Well, sure did a fantastic job against a garbage one-dimensional Jets offense yesterday. Loved that tackling, how about you? Also some fantastic pass-rush-win-rating going on too. 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: If you are trying to get me to say I think they focus on the wrong group far too often, I will say that, they built the Top Defense in the NFL. I would rather them take those assets and build around their Franchise QB. But at the end of the day the team and the way they bult it is 55–33 (.625) and the most winning coach in Franchise History Been to the playoffs every year but one They are also now with the top Defense in the league a 6-2 record and top in the AFC and AFCE We'll see how that defense looks in the postseason. because in reality, that's what matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Thanks for the acknowledgement. The thing that makes it difficult for me is, I live in Eagles country. I see the offense they've built in a couple seasons with a MUCH inferior QB, and I wonder to myself why the Bills couldn't do the same. AJ Brown is a monster opposite Devonta Smith while ALSO building a monster running game AND having a really solid top-to-bottom defense. The Eagles have had very good result so far this season. They might even win the Superbowl. Then again, they could lose their first playoff game. We'll have to watch all the games and see what happens. The Eagles won a SB with a backup QB one year. The Patriots won more SB's that anyone with a GOAT QB and a constant changing cast of players. There is no one way. The Rams won last year and everyone and their dog thought they had the path to greatness figured out. They probably won't make the playoffs this year. It's sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Dion Dawkins, yes he drew a penalty late (has anyone seen it yet?) but he's been a quietly above average LT. I actually think Dawkins is highly replaceable. He is good but not great. I am very open to him moving inside if the Bills really like a LT high in the draft. We could possibly upgrade two positions with one draft pick. I think Mitch Morse is our best OL by a wide margin. I am nervous about our cap situation and his contract expiring this year. I think Poyer and Hyde have proven their weight in gold. We are likely spoiled with our safety play. I think the play recognition that both Hyde and Poyer possess covers up a lot of defensive deficiencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: K. Well, sure did a fantastic job against a garbage one-dimensional Jets offense yesterday. Loved that tackling, how about you? Also some fantastic pass-rush-win-rating going on too. Quote And yet, the needle of performance on defense hasn't moved in any significant way. Why is that? Given all the investment, it should be the best of the best, and it's just not. Way to deflect. I replied to you saying the defense hasn't moved in any significant way. You were shown by at least 2 people that the Bills have the #1 defense (depending on metrics used). It's hard to move in a significant way when you're #1, unless it's a down turn. I'm sure that's not what you were referring to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: K. Well, sure did a fantastic job against a garbage one-dimensional Jets offense yesterday. Loved that tackling, how about you? Also some fantastic pass-rush-win-rating going on too. We'll see how that defense looks in the postseason. because in reality, that's what matters. 20 Points. The NFL Front Runner for MVP and the explosive offense should be able to score more than 20 on a weekly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: 20 Points. The NFL Front Runner for MVP and the explosive offense should be able to score more than 20 on a weekly. no doubt, no doubt. I'm not excusing the offense by criticizing the defense. they both sucked. on ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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