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11 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Zach Wilson, who was drafted into an utterly horrendous situation, is ascending. If you watched Justin Fields the other night, with the poor O-line, and Chicago's poor receivers, he is ascending. Trey Lance showed clear promise before going down with injury. All of those QBs were given more responsibility than Mac & Cheese. He started off his career with the equivalent of a high school playbook, and was only allowed to take more control incrementally. He endured possibly the most embarrassing win over the Bills when he was trusted to throw the ball three times in the entire game. 

 

But, Mac is also not ascending-- he's dropping like a rock.  Upon being given the full reins of an NFL offense in his second year, he has floundered. He is quite possibly being surpassed by Zappe. And in my honest opinion, when Mac Jones utterly panicked, hopping on one foot towards the sideline with an ankle sprain, he acted out his own epitaph. I do not believe he is fit for the NFL.

 

Time out - what have you seen from the Pats this year that makes you feel they're running a good NFL offense with reins to give out?  Serious question....

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2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Um...there were QB taken after him.  One of whom (and this may not say enough) may be at least on the same level in Davis Mills.

 

I think the problems the Pats are having this year have less to do with Mac Jones and more to do with Matt Patricia and whoever else is cooking up that O.

 

 

Reason the NE fans think that may have to do with the fact that a couple of NE's QB selections are starting for other teams.

Jimmy Garappolo  SF   2014 2nd 

Jacoby Brissett      CLE 2016 3rd

It's pretty remarkable.

 

Then there's Brian Hoyer, who has done a league tour and started for an almost Fitz-like selection of teams

And the curious case of Matt Cassel, who I believe never threw a pass in college, went 10-5 in the Bradyless year, 10-5 2 yrs later for KC, then nothin'

 

I'm not trying to say Mac Jones is Brady, just to point out that there's some basis for NE fans thinking Belicheck has some kind of QB talent eye and it wasn't just McDaniel's system.

 

 

Ok so there was one QB taken after him big deal.

 

Ok so the reason they think Belichick is genius is because he has drafted a lot of journeymen QBs.  Its not really remarkable at all.  The reason he kept taking QBs like that was so he would have a cheap backup.  None of those QBs are franchise guys much less even close to Tom Brady.  Not even Garappolo who made it to a super bowl who his current team tried to replace for good reason.

 

You say it wasnt just McDaniels system but point out that Matt Cassel did well pretty much only for the Pats.  Its not JUST McDaniels system.  Its Belichicks system of great defense followed by good running game and a QB that doesnt make many mistakes.  Same reason McD got Tyrod Taylor to the playoffs.

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2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Time out - what have you seen from the Pats this year that makes you feel they're running a good NFL offense with reins to give out?  Serious question....

Good offense? I certainly didn't say that!

 

I think there was a lot of hay made over the pre-season about how they were "installing a new offense," and its implementation was the reason Jones was struggling. But I don't think it's a different offense-- it's the same offense, minus a certain percentage of QB protection, and the play calling of Josh McDaniels.

 

There are no new "wrinkles" here. Patricia, and/or Judge (or whoever the hell is in charge of that offense) didn't come into Foxboro with some innovative, or complicated offensive scheme. They just picked up wherever they figured McDaniels left off, and Mac & Cheese is expected to read defenses, and adjust at the LOS-- a task he is not up to.

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38 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Good offense? I certainly didn't say that!

 

I think there was a lot of hay made over the pre-season about how they were "installing a new offense," and its implementation was the reason Jones was struggling. But I don't think it's a different offense-- it's the same offense, minus a certain percentage of QB protection, and the play calling of Josh McDaniels.

 

There are no new "wrinkles" here. Patricia, and/or Judge (or whoever the hell is in charge of that offense) didn't come into Foxboro with some innovative, or complicated offensive scheme. They just picked up wherever they figured McDaniels left off, and Mac & Cheese is expected to read defenses, and adjust at the LOS-- a task he is not up to.

 

Fair enough, but I do think they changed some stuff and not for the better

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19 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Zach Wilson, who was drafted into an utterly horrendous situation, is ascending. If you watched Justin Fields the other night, with the poor O-line, and Chicago's poor receivers, he is ascending. Trey Lance showed clear promise before going down with injury. All of those QBs were given more responsibility than Mac & Cheese. He started off his career with the equivalent of a high school playbook, and was only allowed to take more control incrementally. He endured possibly the most embarrassing win over the Bills when he was trusted to throw the ball three times in the entire game. 

 

But, Mac is also not ascending-- he's dropping like a rock.  Upon being given the full reins of an NFL offense in his second year, he has floundered. He is quite possibly being surpassed by Zappe. And in my honest opinion, when Mac Jones utterly panicked, hopping on one foot towards the sideline with an ankle sprain, he acted out his own epitaph. I do not believe he is fit for the NFL.

What? I think we will disagree… 

 

Wilson — looks meh at best and isn’t very dependable to be healthy in 2 years. 

 

Fields — he looks lost and indecisive and just plain bad! The bears may be the worst team in the NFL. 
 

Lance — really? That’s why the 49ers look light years better without him? The 49ers look stupid for trading so much away for him.  IMO he will be the biggest bust from the draft followed by Fields.

 

NONE of them will lead their team to the playoffs in year 2. ( 49ers may make it but with Jimmy G not him)
 

 

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16 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The problem is you guys keep thinking you have caught lightning in the bottle a second time.  You are likely never to see another instance of Tom Brady again. If it does happen its even less likely to happen to the same team.  People act like it was genious of BB to take Mac when in actuality it was just the only QB left.  Same thing with Brady really.  It wasnt genius.  It was just the luckiest flyer in NFL history. Mac isnt even that good.  He was just good enough to run a stellar system that for a short time took the league by surprise as well as run into some very lucky streaks of games between bad teams and good teams missing their best players.  Tom Brady's dont grow on trees.  Even most first round draft picks hardly make it in the NFL.  You guys think you got a Tom Brady like every new QB you get.

 

I get it though.  I lived that here for a long time.  Thinking and praying the next mediocre QB was the one.  I honestly dont think your team will ever get that until after BB retires.  He is too good a coach to lose enough games to draft high enough.  No coach is good enough to win SB's in todays NFL without a great QB.  

 

The stone age Belichick system is only good enough to maybe get a WC here and there in todays NFL.  Teams like the Bills and the Chiefs are just too good.  You need a QB that can keep up.  Even on a bad day against the best defenses these teams are scoring in the 20's.  The only thing that stops that is injuries and the stars align in the weather to even things out.

 

I honestly think your teams best bet is to just move on from BB and take the lumps of a season or two of absolute crap. Then pray you draft the right guy.  Until then I think all thats going to happen is the same mediocrity the Bills had for forever.

First I don’t think Jones is the next Brady. Just saying that years QB class he is probably the second best. Im actually more excited about the 2nd round WR Thornton who looks pretty good in 2 games.. 

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