NFL Week #3 - Bills at the Dolphins - Post game thread

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

And neither of them live or play in Miami, so their opinion of it coming from buffalo is irrelevant.

 

I provided you the information on heat acclimatization.  You choose to ignore it and live in ignorance.  Rousseau is no longer acclimatized to playing in the Miami heat and humidity and Tasker's opinion is supposed to mean what?  LMAO  He's obviously no longer acclimatized either.  

 

Your take:  Ignore science, ignore the weather almanac.  Just listen to the guys no longer acclimatized to that heat.

 

That's called a bad take my guy.  Just take the L and work on better excuses.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/userfiles/works/pdfs/2017-124.pdf

 

Why aren't you answering the question?  Why were players getting heat exhaustion this year but not in years past?  

 

Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Show me evidence where a Dolphins player where Buffalo was too cold for them where they couldn't physically play and took themselves out of the game like Diggs, Know, McKenzie, Van Rotten and others.

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying the weather did have an impact, but it impacts both teams differently.  It impacts the Bills players more than the Fins players because the Fins are better acclimatized to working in that heat and humidity where the Bills players are not.

 

But you keep saying it's not an excuse for the Bills!  Holy contradiction!!!

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you answering the question?  Why were players getting heat exhaustion this year but not in years past?  

 

Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Show me evidence where a Dolphins player where Buffalo was too cold for them where they couldn't physically play and took themselves out of the game like Diggs, Know, McKenzie, Van Rotten and others.

You tell me?  

 

I just told you the offense was on the field 28 minutes last season compared to 42 this time and with 20 play drives.

 

The weather conditions were essentially identical yet you're trying to tell me they aren't based on two people's opinions who, as a matter of fact, are not acclimatized to play in that heat and humidity.

 

If you want to continue to claim science and the weather almanac are lying, have at it, but that's a tough act to sell.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying the weather did have an impact, but it impacts both teams differently.  It impacts the Bills players more than the Fins players because the Fins are better acclimatized to working in that heat and humidity where the Bills players are not.

 

In that sense, I think you're actually agreeing with Royale with Cheese - the weather and heat benefited Miami? Especially when, if you look at last year, we had a fit defense, the offense actually had less time on the field, and the play design was not so focused on prolonging the latter's time on the field to save the former.

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you answering the question?  Why were players getting heat exhaustion this year but not in years past?  

 

Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Show me evidence where a Dolphins player where Buffalo was too cold for them where they couldn't physically play and took themselves out of the game like Diggs, Know, McKenzie, Van Rotten and others.

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Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Are you simply trolling at this point?  Is this a serious statement?  So what if he lives there in the offseason?  It isn't nearly as hot in FL in the offseason as it is late summer, especially in Miami.  You're literally talking to someone that lives in FL.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

You tell me?  

 

I just told you the offense was on the field 28 minutes last season compared to 42 this time and with 20 play drives.

 

The weather conditions were essentially identical yet you're trying to tell me they aren't based on two people's opinions who, as a matter of fact, are not acclimatized to play in that heat and humidity.

 

If you want to continue to claim science and the weather almanac are lying, have at it, but that's a tough act to sell.

 

Again, I never said the almanac is lying.  The heat significantly effected us this year more than before, we all saw that.

 

Greg Rousseau has played a lot of games and a lot of training camps in Miami, when he said yesterday was one of the hottest, I'm just automatically not going to believe him because he doesn't live in Miami full time anymore?  How many training camps, practice or a games have you played in?  He's had hundreds...he remember what temps he's played in.  I can tell you the coldest day I've sat in the seats before and I've lived in the south for 20 years.

 

Also, the field temps are effected differently.  We have to monitor the temps closely at practice because if it's too hot, you can't practice outside.

We've had air temps at like 94, field temps at like 105 and but also air temp 90 degrees but field temp at 110.  

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

In that sense, I think you're actually agreeing with Royale with Cheese - the weather and heat benefited Miami? Especially when, if you look at last year, we had a fit defense, the offense actually had less time on the field, and the play design was not so focused on prolonging the latter's time on the field to save the former.

It didn't so much benefit Miami and much as it was a hindrance to the Bills.  I don't think we're agreeing either considering he seems to be denying that acclimatization is actually a real thing.

 

Bills ripped Miami in the same stadium and almost identical weather conditions last year.  Weather has only now become the focus of some because the Bills lost.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

In that sense, I think you're actually agreeing with Royale with Cheese - the weather and heat benefited Miami? Especially when, if you look at last year, we had a fit defense, the offense actually had less time on the field, and the play design was not so focused on prolonging the latter's time on the field to save the former.

 

He's contradicting himself.

[Jauronimo]

That was the first time I've ever seen players ruled OUT for the game with "Heat Illness".

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

It didn't so much benefit Miami and much as it was a hindrance to the Bills.  I don't think we're agreeing either considering he seems to be denying that acclimatization is actually a real thing.

 

Bills ripped Miami in the same stadium and almost identical weather conditions last year.  Weather has only now become the focus of some because the Bills lost.

 

Of course he benefits the Dolphins if it hinders the Bills.  If your opponent is weakened, it's a significant advantage.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

It didn't so much benefit Miami and much as it was a hindrance to the Bills.  I don't think we're agreeing either considering he seems to be denying that acclimatization is actually a real thing.

 

Bills ripped Miami in the same stadium and almost identical weather conditions last year.  Weather has only now become the focus of some because the Bills lost.

 

Though I did suggest a reason why last year could be treated differently to this year regarding the heat. As shown by the quarterback not vomiting on the sidelines in 2021, or people cramping up and struggling from it.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Again, I never said the almanac is lying.  The heat significantly effected us this year more than before, we all saw that.

 

Greg Rousseau has played a lot of games and a lot of training camps in Miami, when he said yesterday was one of the hottest, I'm just automatically not going to believe him because he doesn't live in Miami full time anymore?  How many training camps, practice or a games have you played in?  He's had hundreds...he remember what temps he's played in.  I can tell you the coldest day I've sat in the seats before and I've lived in the south for 20 years.

 

Also, the field temps are effected differently.  We have to monitor the temps closely at practice because if it's too hot, you can't practice outside.

We've had air temps at like 94, field temps at like 105 and but also air temp 90 degrees but field temp at 110.  

Once again, you are denying acclimatization.  If you no longer live and work in that environment, your body perceives it differently than it did before because your body has become acclimatized to where you NOW live and work.  Putting you back in the other environment is going to change your perception because of that fact.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Once again, you are denying acclimatization.  If you no longer live and work in that environment, your body perceives it differently than it did before because your body has become acclimatized to where you NOW live and work.  Putting you back in the other environment is going to change your perception because of that fact.

 

Dolphins players are not acclimated to the cold weather.  Why don't all of them wear long sleeves in cold weather games?

Show me where players ever had to leave due to coldness.  

[Billz4ever]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Though I did suggest a reason why last year could be treated differently to this year regarding the heat. As shown by the quarterback not vomiting on the sidelines in 2021, or people cramping up and struggling from it.

Mahomes was throwing up yesterday too.  There's too many different factors that go into what could cause a player to vomit.  Level of exertion being probably the biggest.  The bills cruised to a 35-0 win last season and were only on the field 28 minutes.  This year it was 42 minutes, they were not having the same success, and Allen was often running for his life.

 

Two completely different game scenarios to simply point to the weather, when I've already provided the actual weather data and it's quite literally within 1 degree of each other.

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dolphins players are not acclimated to the cold weather.  Why don't all of them wear long sleeves in cold weather games?

Show me where players ever had to leave due to coldness.  

Enjoy your denying of science because I'm done with this conversation.  If you want to listen to anecdotes over actual weather data and the scientific fact that is heat acclimatization, that's on you, but I'm done trying to talk any sense into you.  Also, enjoy blaming the sun for the loss when they won 35-0 in almost identical weather last year in the same stadium.

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Mahomes was throwing up yesterday too.  There's too many different factors that go into what could cause a player to vomit.  Level of exertion being probably the biggest.  The bills cruised to a 35-0 win last season and were only on the field 28 minutes.  This year it was 42 minutes, they were not having the same success, and Allen was often running for his life.

 

Two completely different game scenarios to simply point to the weather, when I've already provided the actual weather data and it's quite literally within 1 degree of each other.

Enjoy your denying of science because I'm done with this conversation.  If you want to listen to anecdotes over actual weather data and the scientific fact that is heat acclimatization, that's on you, but I'm done trying to talk any sense into you.  Also, enjoy blaming the sun for the loss when they won 35-0 in almost identical weather last year in the same stadium.

 

Were the offensive players going down with cramp and heat exhaustion last year?

[Billz4ever]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He's contradicting himself.

LMAO, where's the block function.  The dude denying science and the weather almanac and would rather listen to people that live and play in buffalo simply to satisfy his confirmation bias so he can claim Miami has an unfair advantage is claiming I'm somehow contradicting myself.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Two completely different game scenarios to simply point to the weather, when I've already provided the actual weather data and it's quite literally within 1 degree of each other.

Enjoy your denying of science because I'm done with this conversation.  If you want to listen to anecdotes over actual weather data and the scientific fact that is heat acclimatization, that's on you, but I'm done trying to talk any sense into you.  Also, enjoy blaming the sun for the loss when they won 35-0 in almost identical weather last year in the same stadium.

 

LOL...you're not going to answer the question.  Deflection at its finest.

 

So if the temps are identical and our offense was on the field much longer this year...wouldn't that mean the sun did have an effect?

They were out there longer, exerting more energy.  It is a scientific fact that working out longer in the heat has more of an effect?  I'm sure it is.

28 minutes to 42 minutes is big difference.  

 

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

LMAO, where's the block function.  The dude denying science and the weather almanac and would rather listen to people that live and play in buffalo simply to satisfy his confirmation bias so he can claim Miami has an unfair advantage is claiming I'm somehow contradicting myself.

 

You are contradicting yourself.  

 

You are saying "no excuses" but then admit the weather effects Bills players differently because they aren't used to it.  

We literally saw players dropping.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Were the offensive players going down with cramp and heat exhaustion last year?

Good question.  I don't know.  Typically, there are a few that are sucking the O2, cramping and trying to stay cool but I wasn't paying that close attention.

 

It was a blowout last year, and as I said, I think it's safe to say the level of exertion in a 28 min TOS game where you won 35-0 isn't the same as a game where you're on the field for 42 minutes in a nail biter and trying to come from behind.

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL...you're not going to answer the question.  Deflection at its finest.

 

So if the temps are identical and our offense was on the field much longer this year...wouldn't that mean the sun did have an effect?

They were out there longer, exerting more energy.  It is a scientific fact that working out longer in the heat has more of an effect?  I'm sure it is.

28 minutes to 42 minutes is big difference.  

 

 

You are contradicting yourself.  

I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.

 

They were on the field longer this year.  I have literally said that was a factor over last year.

 

So what?

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.

 

They were on the field longer this year.  I have literally said that was a factor over last year.

 

So what?

 

So what?  Well, being on the field longer and exerting themselves in the hot sun absolutely had an effect on them.  But you said "no excuses" the weather was exactly the same and don't blame the sun.  I'm not saying we didn't flawlessly execute on the field but to say "no excuse" after seeing players dropping due to heat exhaustion is farfetched. 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So what?  Well, being on the field longer and exerting themselves in the hot sun absolutely had an effect on them.  But you said "no excuses" the weather was exactly the same and don't blame the sun.  I'm not saying we didn't flawlessly execute on the field but to say "no excuse" after seeing players dropping due to heat exhaustion is farfetched. 

You still make zero sense.

 

So when the Bills win in blowout fashion in the same weather in the same stadium a year ago, it's not unfair, but if they lose to the Fins in the same weather yesterday, now it's somehow an unfair advantage Miami has?

 

Are you even listening to yourself?

Edited September 26, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Simon]

14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

LMAO, where's the block function.

 

That's an excellent idea.

Then the rest of us don't have to deal with multiple pages of endless bickering about pointless semantics. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

That's an excellent idea.

Then the rest of us don't have to deal with multiple pages of endless bickering about pointless semantics. 

Is there a block function?  LOL, I must be looking in the wrong place if there is.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You still make zero sense.

 

So when the Bills win in blowout fashion in the same weather in the same stadium a year ago, it's not unfair, but if they lose to the Fins in the same weather yesterday, now it's somehow an unfair advantage Miami has?

 

Are you even listening to yourself?

 

I didn't see players dropping on the field last year.  We did this year....multiple.  We had players who couldn't finish the game because of heat exhaustion.  

If we won yesterday, I would have the same complaints.  

 

If I saw players dropping last year even in a blow out, I would have the same complaints.  

 

 

 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Is there a block function?  LOL, I must be looking in the wrong place if there is.

 

Hover over a username; when the screen pops up there will be an Ignore button in the lower right hand corner.

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I didn't see players dropping on the field last year.  We did this year....multiple.  We had players who couldn't finish the game because of heat exhaustion.  

If we won yesterday, I would have the same complaints.  

 

If I saw players dropping last year even in a blow out, I would have the same complaints.  

 

 

 

Geez dude, let it go.  It was a tough loss but trying to claim it was because of the weather is a bridge waaay to far.

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Hover over a username; when the screen pops up there will be an Ignore button in the lower right hand corner.

Sometimes the answer is so simple it seems complicated, lol.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Sometimes the answer is so simple it seems complicated, lol.

 

All the best answers are. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Geez dude, let it go.  It was a tough loss but trying to claim it was because of the weather is bridge waaay to far.

 

I didn't say it was the only reason, I said it had a major effect on us.  We all saw it.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Geez dude, let it go.  It was a tough loss but trying to claim it was because of the weather is a bridge waaay to far.

Anyone who doesn't think the weather was a MAJOR factor yesterday must've watched a different game than me. 

THE reason? No. An absolutely MAJOR contributing factor? Indisputably. 

One need only look at the Bills missing their starting right tackle for the majority of the game due to "heat related illness" and Diggs having to come off the field every other play in the fourth quarter to know that the heat was an enormous factor. OR just listen to the MULTIPLE players who literally said so, including Josh Allen, who said it was "tough to even take a breath" a lot of the time.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I didn't say it was the only reason, I said it had a major effect on us.  We all saw it.

We did all see it and when you go in with a game plan to chew clock with a bunch of players not acclimatized to that heat and humidity, the outcome shouldn't have been a big surprise.

Just now, Logic said:

Anyone who doesn't think the weather was a MAJOR factor yesterday must've watched a different game than me. 

THE reason? No. An absolutely MAJOR contributing factor? Indisputably. 

One need only look at the Bills missing their starting right tackle for the majority of the game due to "heat related illness" and Diggs having to come off the field every other play in the fourth quarter to know that the heat was an enormous factor. OR just listen to the MULTIPLE players who literally said so, including Josh Allen, who said it was "tough to even take a breath" a lot of the time.

The heat was a factor for the #1 reason being the bills players are not acclimatized to that heat and humidity, followed by #2 being they were on the field for 42 minutes of the game.  Miami has to play in the same heat and humidity, but their bodies are more acclimatized to doing so.  

 

This is not some unfair advantage however considering the Bills wiped the field with them last year in nearly identical temp and humidity.

[Logic]

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

The heat was a factor for the #1 reason being the bills players are not acclimatized to that heat and humidity, followed by #2 being they were on the field for 42 minutes of the game.  Miami has to play in the same heat and humidity, but their bodies are more acclimatized to doing so.  

 

This is not some unfair advantage however considering the Bills wiped the field with them last year in nearly identical temp and humidity.

Your word salad contradicts itself. If the Bills aren't acclimated to the heat and the Dolphins are, that means the heat was an advantage for the Dolphins. It also means that the heat was an obvious contributing factor to the final outcome.




 

[Franco_92]

You guys are so ***** annoying 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

Your word salad contradicts itself. If the Bills aren't acclimated to the heat and the Dolphins are, that means the heat was an advantage for the Dolphins. It also means that the heat was an obvious contributing factor to the final outcome.




 

No, it does not contradict.  Both teams play in it.  One team is simply used to it more than the other.

 

Some stadiums are louder than others. Is that an unfair advantage too?

[Billz4ever]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

While true, it would've been an insanely long FG attempt or a hail mary, so can't really blame it on that.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

[BananaB]

15 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

No, it does not contradict.  Both teams play in it.  One team is simply used to it more than the other.

 

Some stadiums are louder than others. Is that an unfair advantage too?

When players start dropping to the ground because the stadium is too loud i’ll take it as a good comparison to what I seen yesterday 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

When players start dropping to the ground because the stadium is too loud i’ll take it as a good comparison to what I seen yesterday 

Your take: when the Bills beat them 35-0 in the same stadium a year ago in almost identical weather, I say nothing.

 

If the Bills lose to them I will now blame it on the weather and it's not fair.

 

Get out of here with that nonsense.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BananaB]

14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Your take: when the Bills beat them 35-0 in the same stadium a year ago in almost identical weather, I say nothing.

 

If the Bills lose to them I will now blame it on the weather and it's not fair.

 

Get out of here with that nonsense.

When the game was over after 30 minutes and we were in coasting mode. Maybe that has something to do with it. Kind of makes sense, Miami was a disaster at the start of last year.  Come on man, Even at the start of the game the announcers were saying that Tua made a comment about it being the ultimate home advantage.

Edited September 26, 2022 by BananaB

[Billz4ever]

15 minutes ago, BananaB said:

When the game was over after 30 minutes and we were in coasting mode. Maybe that has something to do with it. Kind of makes sense, Miami was a disaster at the start of last year.  Come on man, Even at the start of the game the announcers were saying that Tua made a comment about it being the ultimate home advantage.

So what?  I don't understand the point.  Denver has an advantage too since they are more used to the thin air.

 

Is every team in the NFL supposed to play in a dome?  

 

This is really the first time really ever heard Bills fans complain so much about the weather in Miami and I can guarantee if they'd won, you wouldn't hear 1/2 the complaining you do now.

 

It's an easy crutch to try and blame the loss on, but when you only have to rewind to last season when the temp was 1 degree off what it was yesterday and the Bills smoked them, those complaints ring hollow and can easily be seen for what they are.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

So what?  I don't understand the point.  Denver has an advantage too over they being more used to the thin air.

 

Is every team in the NFL supposed to play in a dome?  

 

No.  You can physically play through cold weather, you can physically play through thin air, you can physically play through loud stadiums.

Once you are at the point of heat exhaustion, your body is done.  When the elements are that bad, it's the supreme advantage.  

 

In Denver, they allow oxygen tanks.  You can use hand signals in loud stadiums.  You have heaters and huge jackets when it's cold.

The Bills offense played a lot in the heat and sun.  They went to the sideline, heat and sun they were still exposed to almost all game.