LeviF Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: As a taxpayer, does it make more sense as a taxpayer to pay to prevent a pregnancy than pay for 18 years of welfare for single mothers? Well, no, not in the sense that you’re asking. But that question is a good illustration of how badly a country can lose the plot when it’s no longer truly a nation, but a glorified economic zone held together at the lower levels with scotch tape and Elmer’s glue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Personally, I don't think it should be up to politicians as to whether people live or die. But that's just me. Sorry to break it to you but that’s already the case and has been since the beginning of the country. What you call politicians are more commonly called elected representatives. This is our system….and it generally works pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, LeviF said: Well, no, not in the sense that you’re asking. But that question is a good illustration of how badly a country can lose the plot when it’s no longer truly a nation, but a glorified economic zone held together at the lower levels with scotch tape and Elmer’s glue. No longer a nation? Ya, ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No longer a nation? Ya, ok A nation requires more than just shared (open) borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, LeviF said: A nation requires more than just shared (open) borders. Sure does, but your point is still silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure does, but your point is still silly What do you think you have in common with the average 2020 Trump voter, Tibs? Genuinely curious. Presumably this guy would agree with the recent Supreme Court decisions, would think that the J6 hearings are grandstanding at best, and live in middle America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 1:46 AM, Gene Frenkle said: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus “Epicurus? No, I haven’t seen him.” -God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: What do you think you have in common with the average 2020 Trump voter, Tibs? Genuinely curious. Presumably this guy would agree with the recent Supreme Court decisions, would think that the J6 hearings are grandstanding at best, and live in middle America. What does this have to do with your point we are not a nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What does this have to do with your point we are not a nation? If a group of people are to be called a nation they need to share some things that are bigger - ancestry, values, cultural heritage, history, etc. The various Native tribes can rightfully be called "nations" even if they're scattered now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Andy1 said: It’s a simple problem to solve. The states need to give exclusive authority to determine the medical need for an abortion to the patients doctor. No other subjective qualifications required for the procedure. Somehow, I don’t think that’s going to happen. This is an interesting angle. A woman with an absolute right to choose has to get a doctor’s approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, LeviF said: If a group of people are to be called a nation they need to share some things that are bigger - ancestry, values, cultural heritage, history, etc. The various Native tribes can rightfully be called "nations" even if they're scattered now. My mother was a Trump supporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 38 minutes ago, muppy said: Thanks for sharing this. It’s really quite true. But…the answer to this age old challenge is certainly not to snuff out the unborn before they are born. Doing that is the ultimate out of sight, out of mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: As a taxpayer, does it make more sense as a taxpayer to pay to prevent a pregnancy than pay for 18 years of welfare for single mothers? Not every single mother is a "welfare mom" Doc. That's kind of a limited view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andy1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: This is an interesting angle. A woman with an absolute right to choose has to get a doctor’s approval? Wow! That’s not what I meant. Everything I spoke of was in the context of a medically necessary abortion that the woman wanted. The doctors opinion (as patient advocate) should rule, not clumsy ambiguous legal wording written by morons in a legislature. Edited June 30, 2022 by Andy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 hours ago, B-Man said: The trauma Donald Trump’s administration caused to young children and parents separated at the US-Mexico border constitutes torture, according to evaluations of 26 children and adults by the group Physicians for Human Rights (PHR). The not-for-profit group’s report provides the first in-depth look at the psychological impact of family separation, which the US government continued despite warnings from the nation’s top medical bodies. “As a clinician, nobody was prepared for this to happen on our soil,” the report co-author Dr Ranit Mishori, senior medical adviser at PHR, told the Guardian. “It is beyond shocking that this could happen in the United States, by Americans, at the instruction and direct intention of US government officials.” Legal experts have argued family separation constituted torture, but this is the first time a medical group has reached the determination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: The trauma Donald Trump’s administration caused to young children and parents separated at the US-Mexico border constitutes torture, according to evaluations of 26 children and adults by the group Physicians for Human Rights (PHR). The not-for-profit group’s report provides the first in-depth look at the psychological impact of family separation, which the US government continued despite warnings from the nation’s top medical bodies. “As a clinician, nobody was prepared for this to happen on our soil,” the report co-author Dr Ranit Mishori, senior medical adviser at PHR, told the Guardian. “It is beyond shocking that this could happen in the United States, by Americans, at the instruction and direct intention of US government officials.” Legal experts have argued family separation constituted torture, but this is the first time a medical group has reached the determination. So it was obviously those parents faults for not aborting their children before bringing them along during the commission of a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Andy1 said: Wow! That’s not what I meant. Everything I spoke of was in the context of a medically necessary abortion that the woman wanted. The doctors opinion (as patient advocate) should rule, not clumsy ambiguous legal wording written by morons in a legislature. Thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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