leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 11:45 AM, dickleyjones said: I thought we were talking less than 8 weeks, the point was about human zygotes being equal to a child. Expand It didn’t read like that was your point originally.
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) On 5/11/2022 at 12:26 AM, SoCal Deek said: What? You think the entire medical establishment is purposely ignoring the problem of miscarriages? Sure they are. That makes sense. Again…ridiculous! Expand I think that if one believes that a human zygote is equivalent to a child, there is not nearly enough effort, considering the millions of deaths. Again, it in something on the magnitude of at least 1/4 (likely much more) of all deaths in usa each year. i mean, if the medical community really considered zygotes living children, there is no question in my mind that efforts to reduce miscarriage would be pushed hard. And those that do consider zygotes = child should also pour at least some of their efforts into that travesty. On 5/11/2022 at 11:47 AM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It didn’t read like that was your point originally. Expand Sorry i wasn't clear. Edited May 11, 2022 by dickleyjones
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 11:51 AM, dickleyjones said: I think that if one believes that a human zygote is equivalent to a child, there is not nearly enough effort, considering the millions of deaths. Again, it in something on the magnitude of at least 1/4 (likely much more) of all deaths in usa each year. i mean, if the medical community really considered zygotes living children, there is no question in my mind that efforts to reduce miscarriage would be pushed hard. And those that do consider zygotes = child should also pour at least some of their efforts into that travesty. Sorry i wasn't clear. Expand Sounds to me like you’ve got a career path laid out for yourself. Become a doctor and get to work. 1
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 11:45 AM, dickleyjones said: I thought we were talking less than 8 weeks, the point was about human zygotes being equal to a child. Expand Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be. 1
ALF Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:12 PM, Doc said: Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be. Expand My wife knew after missing her first period normally 4 weeks.
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:12 PM, Doc said: Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be. Expand not knowing they're pregnant, that's true, but if there is a miscarriage the human zygote still dies. it doesn't matter if you know or not. "meant to be" wtf is that supposed to mean? in a medical context coming from a medical professional, no less.
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:18 PM, dickleyjones said: not knowing they're pregnant, that's true, but if there is a miscarriage the human zygote still dies. it doesn't matter if you know or not. "meant to be" wtf is that supposed to mean? in a medical context coming from a medical professional, no less. Expand Meaning there is some problem with the fetus, typically genetic. 1
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 So if I’m reading these last few pages correctly the Left has already moved on from trying to promote abortion to instead trying to stop miscarriages? Well this latest week of ‘hair on fire’ liberal outrage didn’t last very long. Next?
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:24 PM, Doc said: Meaning there is some problem with the fetus, typically genetic. Expand sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". On 5/11/2022 at 12:28 PM, SoCal Deek said: So if I’m reading these last few pages correctly the Left has already moved on from trying to promote abortion to instead trying to stop miscarriages? Well this latest week of ‘hair on fire’ liberal outrage didn’t last very long. Next? Expand one person (me) is "the left" now? why do conversations always have to devolve this way?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 11:51 AM, dickleyjones said: Sorry i wasn't clear. Expand No, it’s on me. I misread “medical community” as “god”.
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:30 PM, dickleyjones said: sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". one person (me) is "the left" now? why do conversations always have to devolve this way? Expand Dickie….don’t blame me. You took it down this odd cul-de-sac. Let’s see who ends up being right. The American people simply cannot take week after week of outrage. These stories all tend to burn themselves out. We’ve all seen it, time and time and time again. 1
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:30 PM, dickleyjones said: sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be". Expand Avoidable...how?
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:33 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: No, it’s on me. I misread “medical community” as “god”. Expand ah, that was purely theoretical for those who do believe. On 5/11/2022 at 12:39 PM, Doc said: Avoidable...how? Expand some things we could do now to help (eg early detection of pregnancy, regular testing). others we need more research (eg genetic manipulation, uterine structure, autoimmune disease). certainly more can be done.
ALF Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health. United States 5.8 Canada 4.5 France 3.9 United Kingdom 3.9 Belgium 3.6 Netherlands 3.6 Switzerland 3.5 Comparable Country Average 3.4 Australia 3.3 Germany 3.3 Austria 2.9 Sweden 2.4 Japan Note: 2016 data shown for Japan 2.0 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 looks like the US needs universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world Edited May 11, 2022 by ALF 1
dickleyjones Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:34 PM, SoCal Deek said: Dickie….don’t blame me. You took it down this odd cul-de-sac. Let’s see who ends up being right. The American people simply cannot take week after week of outrage. These stories all tend to burn themselves out. We’ve all seen it, time and time and time again. Expand i did. and i agree it is odd although we aren't talking about a straightforward question. as for american outrage - i thought constant outrage was your thing. right or left, it's outrage pretty much 24/7.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:52 PM, ALF said: Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 Infant mortality (the death of an infant within the first year of life) is a widely-reported indicator of population health. United States 5.8 Canada 4.5 France 3.9 United Kingdom 3.9 Belgium 3.6 Netherlands 3.6 Switzerland 3.5 Comparable Country Average 3.4 Australia 3.3 Germany 3.3 Austria 2.9 Sweden 2.4 Japan Note: 2016 data shown for Japan 2.0 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2017 looks like the US needs universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world Expand It would certainly reduce the number Americans traveling to Edmonton for medical treatment, that’s for certain.
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:46 PM, dickleyjones said: some things we could do now to help (eg early detection of pregnancy, regular testing). others we need more research (eg genetic manipulation, uterine structure, autoimmune disease). certainly more can be done. Expand Again there is only so much you can do. There are workarounds like in vitro, surrogates, and (in the future) selective gene manipulation.
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 12:53 PM, dickleyjones said: i did. and i agree it is odd although we aren't talking about a straightforward question. as for american outrage - i thought constant outrage was your thing. right or left, it's outrage pretty much 24/7. Expand Thanks your concern…I’m fine actually! I’ve yet to burn anything down, topple a statue, loot a liquor store or anything close.
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