ChiGoose Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Poroshenko told Biden on the call that he fired Shokin like he requested despite there being NO EVIDENCE of corruption. Try again @ChiGoose Shokin was not interested in pursuing corruption and the US wasn’t going to give Ukraine aid unless they began reforming on that front. Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Shokin was not interested in pursuing corruption and the US wasn’t going to give Ukraine aid unless they began reforming on that front. Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal Sounds like a certain phone call... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: Sounds like a certain phone call... No, it doesn’t. It sounds like the Vice President of the United States acting on the orders of the President to enact US foreign policy. Not the president of the United States trying to use his power for personal gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Doc said: Sounds like a certain phone call... “'I would like you to do us a favor'” You try so hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: No, it doesn’t. It sounds like the Vice President of the United States acting on the orders of the President to enact US foreign policy. Not the president of the United States trying to use his power for personal gain. Yeah, I can see that policy really held firm after Shokin was fired. They should have at least been able to get Shokin for accepting bribes, right? And rooting out corruption was in everyone's best interest after a regime change and with all the money we were to be sending them. That Trump asked (and didn't demand) to look into why someone like Hunter Biden would be on the board of a corrupt company like Burisma and why his father would be extorting said country over firing a prosecutor who wasn't corrupt was wholly appropriate. The timing was what it was because that's when the regime change happened. But hey, it's OK if 50 former intelligence officers lie about a laptop being Russian disinformation to influence an election, right? Edited June 18, 2023 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, I can see that policy really held firm after Shokin was fired. They should have at least been able to get Shokin for accepting bribes, right? And rooting out corruption was in everyone's best interest after a regime change and with all the money we were to be sending them. That Trump asked (and didn't demand) to look into why someone like Hunter Biden would be on the board of a corrupt company like Burisma and why his father would be extorting said country over firing a prosecutor who wasn't corrupt was wholly appropriate. The timing was what it was because that's when the regime change happened. But hey, it's OK if 50 former intelligence officers lie about a laptop being Russian disinformation to influence an election, right? You are conflating and misunderstanding so many different things and introducing random non l-sequitors. Biden was enacting US foreign policy supported by our allies. Trump was trying to use his power to extract a personal benefit. That’s the difference. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: You are conflating and misunderstanding so many different things and introducing random non l-sequitors. Biden was enacting US foreign policy supported by our allies. Trump was trying to use his power to extract a personal benefit. That’s the difference. I'm not conflating anything. I'm merely challenging what you were told to believe. If US policy was important enough to get a prosecutor fired, you'd think they would have pursued that policy after Shokin was gone and prosecuted people for corruption. If they didn't, it means either there was nothing to be found or (the real reason) the policy/reason was a lie, as Ukraine was rife with corruption and Shokin was never found to be corrupt. Meanwhile Burisma was a corrupt company and Hunter, a guy with no business or natural gas expertise, was on their board, and daddy was point-man for billions of dollars earmarked for Ukraine. Again these are all things I'd like to know if I'm the President and I'm about to send hundred of millions of US taxpayer money to a known corrupt country with a new regime who I don't know is any less corrupt than the old one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: I'm not conflating anything. I'm merely challenging what you were told to believe. If US policy was important enough to get a prosecutor fired, you'd think they would have pursued that policy after Shokin was gone and prosecuted people for corruption. If they didn't, it means either there was nothing to be found or (the real reason) the policy/reason was a lie, as Ukraine was rife with corruption and Shokin was never found to be corrupt. Meanwhile Burisma was a corrupt company and Hunter, a guy with no business or natural gas expertise, was on their board, and daddy was point-man for billions of dollars earmarked for Ukraine. Again these are all things I'd like to know if I'm the President and I'm about to send hundred of millions of US taxpayer money to a known corrupt country with a new regime who I don't know is any less corrupt than the old one. Forget about it Doc. The sun comes up in the west in bizzaro land. Unbelievable! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 @ChiGoose coming out in this thread as a full useful idiot. congrats man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Forget about it Doc. The sun comes up in the west in bizzaro land. Unbelievable! I know but it's less for them than others who may be conflicted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, Doc said: I know but it's less for them than others who may be conflicted. That’s a population of zero. They literally just arrested their chief political opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Did they find the tapes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Shokin was not interested in pursuing corruption and the US wasn’t going to give Ukraine aid unless they began reforming on that front. Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal What I don’t understand is how everyone wants to talk about the United States in this This was an effort by multiple countries. It wasn’t just the United States. 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Did they find the tapes? The Republicans won’t even admit that the tapes exist you notice how they word it? They want to investigate it, but have no actual evidence of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The Republicans won’t even admit that the tapes exist you notice how they word it? Just another mirage - just like voter fraud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: What I don’t understand is how everyone wants to talk about the United States in this This was an effort by multiple countries. It wasn’t just the United States. The Republicans won’t even admit that the tapes exist you notice how they word it? They want to investigate it, but have no actual evidence of it How did multiple countries get bamboozled about Iraq having WMDs? And tapes that were ignored 7 years ago have gone missing? Maybe they were BleachBitted. Or they're being worked on by "TOP MEN." Edited June 19, 2023 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: The Republicans won’t even admit that the tapes exist you notice how they word it? They want to investigate it, but have no actual evidence of it If any of this was real, the House would open a committee for public hearings into the Biden’s. But that would require people testifying under oath. The fact that they won’t do that basically tells you what you need to know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Shokin was not interested in pursuing corruption and the US wasn’t going to give Ukraine aid unless they began reforming on that front. Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal I’ve asked this question before, but besides this rambling account that assumes the reader will believe the narrative without question, is there any factual data that backs up this theory that “every ally agreed he had to go” and Biden took the free world on his shoulders and saved the day? I’ve read an awful lot to that effect, but haven’t found a source that can point to any of our allies taking any sort of action to have the prosecutor removed. That leaves me with Biden making his declaration, and his version sounds an awful lot more like Boss Hogg than Dudley DoRight. In addition, the proximity to Hunter in all of this certainly raises questions on why he didn’t recuse himself to avoid the appearance of impropriety in dealing with a local political issue. To boot, in reviewing the transcript of the Trump call to Zelensky, there was no push back from Zelensky when Trump expressed his feelings on the matter. In fact, it reads as if Zelensky agrees with Trump on several fronts. Edited June 19, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’ve asked this question before, but besides this rambling account that assumes the reader will believe the narrative without question, is there any factual data that backs up this theory that “every ally agreed he had to go” and Biden took the free world on his shoulders and saved the day? Yup! Here you go: FT: Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden Some people and groups wanting Shokin fired before Biden’s ultimatum: EU officials US officials EU diplomats The IMF US Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) US Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) “A Poroshenko government adviser added: “Everyone was pushing for Shokin’s resignation, not just Biden. The difference was Biden came with an amount of money Ukraine found hard to ignore. If the Europeans had had that leverage, they would have used it.”” Edited June 19, 2023 by ChiGoose Added list 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 These tapes in the 1023 that are supposed to exist according to an FBI trusted source, are just that... Tapes that a trusted FBI CHS source told the FBI were real. For some reason the FBI redacted this information from the 1023, an unclassified document, when showing it to members of congress. Given this information and the history of the FBI, it's far more likely that these tapes were never found by the FBI because they had no interest in finding them, than that they're "lost". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 8 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Yup! Here you go: FT: Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden Some people and groups wanting Shokin fired before Biden’s ultimatum: EU officials US officials EU diplomats The IMF US Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) US Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) “A Poroshenko government adviser added: “Everyone was pushing for Shokin’s resignation, not just Biden. The difference was Biden came with an amount of money Ukraine found hard to ignore. If the Europeans had had that leverage, they would have used it.”” So globalist and war hawks didnt like him. what exactly was he not prosecuting, or prosecuting? like some actual details? why wouldnt they want him investigating Burisma, the US politicians' kids on it, the ties to the big guy, or the geopolitical ramifications of that group's energy agenda. and that was all after the Clinton/Nulan Euromaiden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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