NewEra Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 12:28 PM, MJS said: I am excited to move on from Hughes and Addison next year and really develop our defensive line of the future. I think Hughes is highly overrated by Bills fans. He is a solid, average player. My main issue is he disappears for so many games. He'll have a great game, then do nothing for weeks and weeks. And, obviously, his lack of sack production. I think your main issue is that you don’t know how to fairly judge DE play. Do you watch the games multiple times and watch him play? I do. What does weeks and weeks consist of? To me, that’s 4+weeks. To your point, he may have had a 4 game streak this year where he wasn’t as disruptive as I like to give him credit for. I was disappointed. But minus that stretch, he’s been creating pressure and is one of the reasons our d is #1. He’s not a jag pass rusher, regardless of how you view him. While i was a huge anti addison guy, he’s played pretty well this year. Much better than I thought he would. He mostly sucks vs the run but has been creating mlre pressure this year. i think we keep one at a reduced rate. Hopefully Jerry, but I could see another team laying him more than our reduced rate. Hopefully he wants to be here and we want him back. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think your main issue is that you don’t know how to fairly judge DE play. Do you watch the games multiple times and watch him play? I do. What does weeks and weeks consist of? To me, that’s 4+weeks. To your point, he may have had a 4 game streak this year where he wasn’t as disruptive as I like to give him credit for. I was disappointed. But minus that stretch, he’s been creating pressure and is one of the reasons our d is #1. He’s not a jag pass rusher, regardless of how you view him. While i was a huge anti addison guy, he’s played pretty well this year. Much better than I thought he would. He mostly sucks vs the run but has been creating mlre pressure this year. i think we keep one at a reduced rate. Hopefully Jerry, but I could see another team laying him more than our reduced rate. Hopefully he wants to be here and we want him back. I cannot see McBeanes not wanting Jerry to retire as a Bill. Just my opinion as to how McD thinks and rewards hard work and the loyalty thing. I would argue the Addison thing but always respect your your perspective New ! even when you might be wrong LOL Go Bills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I cannot see McBeanes not wanting Jerry to retire as a Bill. Just my opinion as to how McD thinks and rewards hard work and the loyalty thing. I would argue the Addison thing but always respect your your perspective New ! even when you might be wrong LOL Go Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) Edmunds and Hughes need to join the Rodney Dangerfield club of Buffalo. Over the years our fan base at times has been in strong contrast with our coaches. I'm not talking about positions that are easy to see like QB. More with positions that have assignments that benefit the team and not always the individual. Out of all my gripes I do think McDermott is a good defensive coach. So when it comes to these two it's hard for me to knock them when I don't always know what is being asked of them. It's very hard for me to say just because Jerry doesn't have X amount of sacks or Edmunds doesn't have X amount of big plays they suck. I really don't know. To me it has enough "careful what you wish for" to stay neutral and positive on both. Edited January 14, 2022 by KzooMike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 3 hours ago, NewEra said: I think your main issue is that you don’t know how to fairly judge DE play. Do you watch the games multiple times and watch him play? I do. What does weeks and weeks consist of? To me, that’s 4+weeks. To your point, he may have had a 4 game streak this year where he wasn’t as disruptive as I like to give him credit for. I was disappointed. But minus that stretch, he’s been creating pressure and is one of the reasons our d is #1. He’s not a jag pass rusher, regardless of how you view him. While i was a huge anti addison guy, he’s played pretty well this year. Much better than I thought he would. He mostly sucks vs the run but has been creating mlre pressure this year. i think we keep one at a reduced rate. Hopefully Jerry, but I could see another team laying him more than our reduced rate. Hopefully he wants to be here and we want him back. I never said he is a jag. He is a good player. But I want more. I want a double digit sack producer. For all the credit that Bills fans like to give Hughes, he is never considered even slightly for the pro bowl or any other accolades. Pressure rate is fine, but he isn't a finisher. We need a finisher. And I know how to fairly judge defensive end play. You and others overrate Jerry Hughes. That doesn't mean he is a bad player. He's not. But he is expensive and hasn't produced sacks since Mario Williams was here. Hughes is great if he has a dominant pass rusher across from him. He is old. Time to move on. Time to develop the younger guys. I was one of those banging the drum to resign him when we did all those years ago. I have been dissatisfied with his play given what the Bills paid him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, MJS said: I never said he is a jag. He is a good player. But I want more. I want a double digit sack producer. For all the credit that Bills fans like to give Hughes, he is never considered even slightly for the pro bowl or any other accolades. Pressure rate is fine, but he isn't a finisher. We need a finisher. And I know how to fairly judge defensive end play. You and others overrate Jerry Hughes. That doesn't mean he is a bad player. He's not. But he is expensive and hasn't produced sacks since Mario Williams was here. Hughes is great if he has a dominant pass rusher across from him. He is old. Time to move on. Time to develop the younger guys. I was one of those banging the drum to resign him when we did all those years ago. I have been dissatisfied with his play given what the Bills paid him. I agree with a lot of that but idk if I have seen a player held more and not get a holding call I think he has one 2 weeks ago and it felt like it was the first one he got in 3 years He’s lost a step but In the past he was getting smothered out there and no calls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, mikemac2001 said: I agree with a lot of that but idk if I have seen a player held more and not get a holding call I think he has one 2 weeks ago and it felt like it was the first one he got in 3 years He’s lost a step but In the past he was getting smothered out there and no calls That is true, and I always guessed that it was because the officials were punishing him for that time he spoke out against one of them, plus he was a hothead for many years and would draw personal foul penalties a lot. But I think that "punishment" fizzled out a few years ago and he has lost a step for sure. He has not been the same player for awhile now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 11/4/2021 at 12:47 AM, JohnNord said: What I can’t understand is why Hughes always has a high pressure rate but never seems to get very many sacks. I know that sacks can be a deceiving metric but you’d assume that a pass rusher of his ability would end up with a higher total. The knock on Jerry is and always has been his finishing ability. He has never got the sacks a guy who wins as many pass rush reps as he does should. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 10 hours ago, KzooMike said: Edmunds and Hughes need to join the Rodney Dangerfield club of Buffalo. Over the years our fan base at times has been in strong contrast with our coaches. I'm not talking about positions that are easy to see like QB. More with positions that have assignments that benefit the team and not always the individual. Out of all my gripes I do think McDermott is a good defensive coach. So when it comes to these two it's hard for me to knock them when I don't always know what is being asked of them. It's very hard for me to say just because Jerry doesn't have X amount of sacks or Edmunds doesn't have X amount of big plays they suck. I really don't know. To me it has enough "careful what you wish for" to stay neutral and positive on both. Right. The "proof" of his value might be in things that are not in any box score. If the opponent restricts their play book that involves short passes over the middle because of Edmund's range and long arms, who would know that there were only 3 such plays instead of 6 such plays? The other team is not going to publish how they did their play calling. If they were picking on Edmunds, he might have more opportenties for splash plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/14/2022 at 3:03 AM, GunnerBill said: The knock on Jerry is and always has been his finishing ability. He has never got the sacks a guy who wins as many pass rush reps as he does should. But his hustle and awareness are to be reckoned with We should ask opposing OCs if they need account for him. stats be damned. Bills are a pressure and take away team by design. frustrates the bejeezus out of QBs for sure. I do think Hughes still has the burst off the ball. But I am a homer for Hughes Go Jerry ! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: But his hustle and awareness are to be reckoned with We should ask opposing OCs if they need account for him. stats be damned. Bills are a pressure and take away team by design. frustrates the bejeezus out of QBs for sure. I do think Hughes still has the burst off the ball. But I am a homer for Hughes Go Jerry ! If he wants to come back for a vet minimum go for it, otherwise it’s time to move on. He’s had a hell of a stint with us but at 34 it’s time we develop more of the young guys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, Rampage said: If he wants to come back for a vet minimum go for it, otherwise it’s time to move on. He’s had a hell of a stint with us but at 34 it’s time we develop more of the young guys. He has been a Loyal Dawg dont dis him with a vet Min offer please ! I am sure he knows his age and time is running out. Likely just wants the Ring as we all do. McBeanes and Hughes will do what right for everyone and i trust that. But I do agree 110% about bring up the young bucks Addison is about to retire and Bills better be in the market for DEs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Rampage said: If he wants to come back for a vet minimum go for it, otherwise it’s time to move on. He’s had a hell of a stint with us but at 34 it’s time we develop more of the young guys. The vet minimum….lol. Would be nice for the cap. Not gonna happen. I think we’ll give him 3-4M 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 11 hours ago, NewEra said: The vet minimum….lol. Would be nice for the cap. Not gonna happen. I think we’ll give him 3-4M Im hoping they both agree to a cap friendly but fair contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Im hoping they both agree to a cap friendly but fair contract Yeah, me too. Prior to the season I figured addison was gone 💯but his play this season might have changed that. I just think it’ll be tough to keep both….unless we trade AJ….which might be a good idea if we can get something for him. He’s looking like a bum more often than not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah, me too. Prior to the season I figured addison was gone 💯but his play this season might have changed that. I just think it’ll be tough to keep both….unless we trade AJ….which might be a good idea if we can get something for him. He’s looking like a bum more often than not AJ has been a good addition as well. The whole D on rotation is a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: AJ has been a good addition as well. The whole D on rotation is a good thing He’s had his moments but seems to lose contain more than I thought he would. regarding our D, I feel that our DL has been EXCELLENT at keeping the QBs contained and that has been one of major reasons our D is having much more success that last season. They’ll br out to the test on sunday. edit: when I say that we should maybe trade AJ, it’s not because I think he’s bad, but because he has 2 years left on his rookie contract and still might have some value. He’s been ok. I don’t see him as a 2nd contract player if he plays like he has. Edited January 17, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, NewEra said: He’s had his moments but seems to lose contain more than I thought he would. regarding our D, I feel that our DL has been EXCELLENT at keeping the QBs contained and that has been one of major reasons our D is having much more success that last season. They’ll br out to the test on sunday. edit: when I say that we should maybe trade AJ, it’s not because I think he’s bad, but because he has 2 years left on his rookie contract and still might have some value. He’s been ok. I don’t see him as a 2nd contract player if he plays like he has. i have always been on the concept that you give a player 3 seasons to prove themselves. unless it’s THAT obvious hell a good # here want Edmonds gone. Oye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 4:56 PM, NewEra said: I think your main issue is that you don’t know how to fairly judge DE play. Do you watch the games multiple times and watch him play? I do. What does weeks and weeks consist of? To me, that’s 4+weeks. To your point, he may have had a 4 game streak this year where he wasn’t as disruptive as I like to give him credit for. I was disappointed. But minus that stretch, he’s been creating pressure and is one of the reasons our d is #1. He’s not a jag pass rusher, regardless of how you view him. While i was a huge anti addison guy, he’s played pretty well this year. Much better than I thought he would. He mostly sucks vs the run but has been creating mlre pressure this year. i think we keep one at a reduced rate. Hopefully Jerry, but I could see another team laying him more than our reduced rate. Hopefully he wants to be here and we want him back. Addison chasing down the RB to force a fourth and 1 was a really spectacular play for a DE. A small play that will be forgotten in time but truly amazing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Addison chasing down the RB to force a fourth and 1 was a really spectacular play for a DE. A small play that will be forgotten in time but truly amazing. Agree 💯. I was just rewatching the game this morning as was thinking the exact same thing. No one will talk about how big a play that was……it’ll be forgotten…..but it was one of the better individual efforts of the evening and a helluva play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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