Sean McDermott's vaunted Dual A gap

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

The Double A gap comes from Fritz Shurmur. Jim Johnson learned it (along with the big nickel) from him in Arizona. It’s a 4-3 variation of Shurmur’s “eagle defense”. LeBeau started incorporating it when the Steelers got Kevin Greene. It’s actually kind of fascinating to track the evolution of some of these schemes. 

Yes. McDermott's and Frazier's legacy is both tied to Johnson  

 

They both learned from innovators and have kept it going with their own wrinkles

 

 

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

McDermott has only taken away play calling duties once from Frazier in buffalo 

 

Fan think it happens seven times a year... It's happened once in four seasons

That is bull I know there is several times one the Seatle game.  Mcdermott believes in the Double A gap blitz on third down.  Frazier does not Frazier defense is the same as Dave Wannstedt defense nothing special no blitzing at all. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

That is bull I know there is several times one the Seatle game.  Mcdermott believes in the Double A gap blitz on third down.  Frazier does not Frazier defense is the same as Dave Wannstedt defense nothing special no blitzing at all. 

You can go back McDermott's entire career here... On record he has only taken away play calling duties from Frazier once 

 

Of course McDermott has a headset and he's communicating.. he's only on record said he's pulled play calling duties once from Frasier 

 

That Infamous game

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It probably didn't work as much as you think. The Cover1 guys broke down LB coverage in man vs zone looks, Edmunds was average in zone coverage based on EPA.

 

 

 

 

 

Admit it,  you were surprised he was just average in zone coverage.

 

The way some talk up the impact of his length you would ASSUME that zone coverage would be a strength.

 

But in reality, anything generally associated with "instinctive" play at the MLB position has been a weakness for Edmunds.

 

He has been credited by some as a big difference maker in the passing game that teams are afraid to throw near.........and yet he had a 114 passer rating against and 4 TD passes allowed last season.

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Admit it,  you were surprised he was just average in zone coverage.

 

The way some talk up the impact of his length you would ASSUME that zone coverage would be a strength.

 

But in reality, anything generally associated with "instinctive" play at the MLB position has been a weakness for Edmunds.

 

He has been credited by some as a big difference maker in the passing game that teams are afraid to throw near.........and yet he had a 114 passer rating against and 4 TD passes allowed last season.

 

It's surprising when you see that at first glance, but when you think about his responsibilities it makes sense.  In zone Edmunds is often responsible for TEs and slot wideouts in the Tampa2 style dropback where they have him cover the middle and underneath, and almost every LB in the game loses vs TEs and slot receivers...whereas in man his key is almost always the RB and he is always a favorite to win that matchup.

[GunnerBill]

There was some crazy stat about Milano in coverage that Sal C had in his end of season write up last year when looking at which contracts the Bills might want to address. It was something like the Bills give up 0.9 more yards per pass without Milano on the field than with him and that differential was the largest in the NFL by a significant distance. Would love to find the exact stat again. 

4 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

That is bull I know there is several times one the Seatle game.  Mcdermott believes in the Double A gap blitz on third down.  Frazier does not Frazier defense is the same as Dave Wannstedt defense nothing special no blitzing at all. 

 

McDermott did not take play calling away in that Seattle game. Where are you getting that from?

[BringBackFlutie]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

The Double A gap comes from Fritz Shurmur. Jim Johnson learned it (along with the big nickel) from him in Arizona. It’s a 4-3 variation of Shurmur’s “eagle defense”. LeBeau started incorporating it when the Steelers got Kevin Greene. It’s actually kind of fascinating to track the evolution of some of these schemes. 

😲

 

Awesome.  Thanks.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It's surprising when you see that at first glance, but when you think about his responsibilities it makes sense.  In zone Edmunds is often responsible for TEs and slot wideouts in the Tampa2 style dropback where they have him cover the middle and underneath, and almost every LB in the game loses vs TEs and slot receivers...whereas in man his key is almost always the RB and he is always a favorite to win that matchup.

 

 

Yeah, the "he can cover receivers like a CB" thing has never really materialized.

 

He tends to be more physically gifted than the vast majority of TE's and of course has a huge range advantage on the average Y receiver............but in zone the lack of instinctive reaction always shows up.  

 

And that's just the coverage aspect..........in terms of taking advantage of playmaking opportunities in the passing game he's lost.

 

Teams have caught on now........that's why the same level of awareness produced diminishing returns last season.

 

Now man coverage...........that's something he can do.

 

Which is really what he always should have been doing..........simple responsibilities and beat the man in front of him..........it's a shame to waste his talent the way they have.

 

Hopefully a switch kicks on this season but the practice work and preseason games I saw and all the reports from camp(or lack thereof) indicate nothing has changed. 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah, the "he can cover receivers like a CB" thing has never really materialized.

 

He tends to be more physically gifted than the vast majority of TE's and of course has a huge range advantage on the average Y receiver............but in zone the lack of instinctive reaction always shows up.  

 

And that's just the coverage aspect..........in terms of taking advantage of playmaking opportunities in the passing game he's lost.

 

Teams have caught on now........that's why the same level of awareness produced diminishing returns last season.

 

Now man coverage...........that's something he can do.

 

Which is really what he always should have been doing..........simple responsibilities and beat the man in front of him..........it's a shame to waste his talent the way they have.

 

Hopefully a switch kicks on this season but the practice work and preseason games I saw and all the reports from camp(or lack thereof) indicate nothing has changed. 

I've always wondered why Milano rather than Edmunds is our designated matchup for big, athletic TEs like Kelce. Edmunds should be, like, the perfect laboratory-grown matchup for that, no? being so long and fast. I always just figured they feel he doesn't have the ability to cover man-to-man at a high level, otherwise why has he not been that guy for the last 3 years?

Edited September 3, 2021 by 2020 Our Year For Sure

[Solomon Grundy]

I still think that in order to beat Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, the Bills has to be able to collapse the pocket from the middle. Hopefully with the return of Star, the Bills are able to push the interior to make QBs run into the rush coming from Hughes/Groot and Co.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

I've always wondered why Milano rather than Edmunds is our designated matchup for big, athletic TEs like Kelce. Edmunds should be, like, the perfect laboratory-grown matchup for that, no? being so long and fast. I always just figured they feel he doesn't have the ability to cover man-to-man at a high level, otherwise why has he not been that guy for the last 3 years?

It's just a formation thing. Edmunds is on TEs occasionally in man but that's just not his responsibility

 

He has a responsibility for a gap and a man and playing the tight end while keeping responsibility of his Gap, is insanely difficult 

 

The WILL is basically over his Gap and TE already

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

First 3rd down attempt and dual A gap!