Trump's railing about schools reopening, so might as well talk about it

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Paulus said:

How about smaller class sizes? Better education for the kids. Limits exposure to viruses and sickness. Addressing a few problems at once. 

Well smaller class size is easier said than done long term. Short term stagger the classes and work longer hours more days. 

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Break it down. Tell me what things can’t be done and why. 

If I'm reading that right, you want teachers to work 72 hours a week? 

11 minutes ago, Paulus said:

How about smaller class sizes? Better education for the kids. Limits exposure to viruses and sickness. Addressing a few problems at once. 

Where are districts going to get the funding to hire new teachers if you want smaller class sizes?

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

If I'm reading that right, you want teachers to work 72 hours a week? 

As a suggestion sure. At least more hours/shifts  than now. If that’s what needs to be done to get the kids back to the most important part of their lives. I’ve heard no one else come up with solutions/ideas.  
 

I work 10 hours a day no breaks and stand at my desk for 9 of those. If I needed to do 6 12’s for the good of the community you damn better believe I’m doing it. They should be well rested. ?

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

So that's the answer?

 

Push out the old and in with the new?

 

(And again, it's not just "old" teachers who are at risk. I have a coworker with type 1 diabetes who is in her 30s... you sayin she should be forced out, too?)

 

And who replaces all these teachers with these waves of retirements?

 

I know here in Hawai'i there's a teacher shortage and, in turn, a sub shortage. There has been for years... I was hired on the mainland myself. Where are all these teachers-in-waiting ready to take over with this wave of retirements?

 

 

This is one of the most predictable and fallacious arguments circulating about so easily starting up schools.

 

"Europe did it, we can, too!"

 

Ya know what else Europe has done that we haven't come close to doing?

 

Flattened the curve.

 

This "let's be like Europe" argument with education is a hilarious contradiction to the arguments that boil down to "we're not Europe, we're 'Merica!"I've heard constantly over here for many months of why we can't have a stronger nation-wide response to get the virus under control and the curve flattened

 

 

Huh?

 

It's going to be trial and error but it's not an option to keep the kids home.

 

What does that even mean?

 

100% agree

 

 

They are.

 

How many of those professions center specifically around close physical social interaction for 6 or 7 hours a day where they are in a single room with around 100 people throughout the day and 20-35 people at a given time?

 

Can you name those professions and tell me which ones have fully gone back to work as usual?

Transplant I first want to address something you wrote the other day- I try to stay away from name calling and acting like those who disagree are evil, if I do that to you it is because you seem very negative on here. I though want to say also I appreciate a good honest debate. On what you have written above I do not see when you will open schools in your plan until we have a vaccine. I think parents need to have an option and it is up to them whether it is safe.

[Paulus]

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

If I'm reading that right, you want teachers to work 72 hours a week? 

Where are districts going to get the funding to hire new teachers if you want smaller class sizes?

From the police forces' budgets... yuk yuk yuk..

 

Seriously, it is something that should have been done decades ago. Using this pandemic to create something good and also a compromise, is worth a shot. You'd think with the unemployment numbers, getting adequate instructors at bargain barrel prices would be a thing. Honestly, moving money towards education, in a responsible way, is something rarely achieved by government.

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

As a suggestion sure. At least more hours/shifts  than now. If that’s what needs to be done to get the kids back to the most important part of their lives. I’ve heard no one else come up with solutions/ideas.  
 

I work 10 hours a day no breaks and stand at my desk for 9 of those. If I needed to do 6 12’s for the good of the community you damn better believe I’m doing it. They should be well rested. ?

 

Do you know how many hours a week a teacher works?

 

And Jim, what do you do?

[Paulus]

19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Well smaller class size is easier said than done long term. Short term stagger the classes and work longer hours more days. 

Certain students go mon/wed while others go tue/thurs... staggering makes sense. Whatever the process chosen is, i hope the wade into the pool slowly, this time.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Do you know how many hours a week a teacher works?

 

And Jim, what do you do?

Well after a cursory search online it looks like 40-50 hours a week or when I worked in the kitchen what we called “part-time” ?. And what does what I do for a living have to do with this conversation?

4 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Certain students go mon/wed while others go tue/thurs... staggering makes sense. Whatever the process chosen is, i hope the wade into the pool slowly, this time.

And it boggles my mind is they’ve had since mid-end of March to come up with solutions or at least ideas. 
 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Well after a cursory search online it looks like 40-50 hours a week or when I worked in the kitchen what we called “part-time” ?. And what does what I do for a living have to do with this conversation?

 

So, you're not a teacher?  And you looked on line and determined what teachers do is part time work?

 

And what you do helps others understand your perspective.

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

As a suggestion sure. At least more hours/shifts  than now. If that’s what needs to be done to get the kids back to the most important part of their lives. I’ve heard no one else come up with solutions/ideas.  
 

I work 10 hours a day no breaks and stand at my desk for 9 of those. If I needed to do 6 12’s for the good of the community you damn better believe I’m doing it. They should be well rested. ?

The teacher unions would never go for it.  Let's for the sake of argument say there were no teacher unions and teachers didn't work on a salary.  You'd have to legally provide 32 hours of overtime pay.  Where are you going to come up with that money? 

 

Also, if you have kids come in four hours a day.  Which kids come in in the morning, in the afternoon, and in the evening?  How do working parents adjust to the new schedule?  Will the school provide babysitting services and who's going to pay for it?  What do the bus routes look like?  Do you need to hire more bus drivers or pay them overtime?

[Paulus]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Well after a cursory search online it looks like 40-50 hours a week or when I worked in the kitchen what we called “part-time” ?. And what does what I do for a living have to do with this conversation?

And it boggles my mind is they’ve had since mid-end of March to come up with solutions or at least ideas. 
 

True... I have not seen such sad leadership in my entire life, on this scale. It is like two here are multiple sides each trying to exploit the pandemic for selfish needs. 

 

That said, smaller class size would also mean teachers would have less work, so I wouldn't have to hear them whine about being overworked and underpaid. This way, they'll just be underpaid. 

[Chef Jim]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

So, you're not a teacher?  And you looked on line and determined what teachers do is part time work?

 

And what you do helps others understand your perspective.

Who said what they did was part time?  Reading comprehension problems?  
 

My perspective is from management 101. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Who said what they did was part time?  Reading comprehension problems?  
 

My perspective is from management 101. 

 

Deflect much?

 

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The teacher unions would never go for it.  Let's for the sake of argument say there were no teacher unions and teachers didn't work on a salary.  You'd have to legally provide 32 hours of overtime pay.  Where are you going to come up with that money? 

 

Also, if you have kids come in four hours a day.  Which kids come in in the morning, in the afternoon, and in the evening?  How do working parents adjust to the new schedule?  Will the school provide babysitting services and who's going to pay for it?  What do the bus routes look like?  Do you need to hire more bus drivers or pay them overtime?

Ding ding ding.  I knew the unions would chime in. ***** the unions. 
 

Which come in the morning and which in the afternoon and evening?  I don’t know. By height. Come on man.  Figure it out. 
 

How do working parents adjust?  They’ll figure it out. They’ve adjusted to it the past four months of having the kids home every day.   We’ve offered FMLA for our working parents to help out. 
 

Bus routes?  Easy one!  Hired more drivers. The Trump economy has 15 billion people looking for work.  
 

Where are we coming up with the money?  Ask the Feds. They seem to be good at printing it up. How much PPP has these districts applied for?  I’m sure they are eligible. 

To the teachers here.  How many meetings have you all had over the last four months discussing these things. Again I’m not hearing a lot of ideas. Just excuses. 

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Deflect much?

 

Where did I deflect? 

[BillStime]

3 Arizona teachers test positive for COVID-19 after sharing summer school classroom, 1 passes away

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

3 Arizona teachers test positive for COVID-19 after sharing summer school classroom, 1 passes away

 

 

A sad story but there is so much wrong with this.  She should never have left her house to begin with. She was a classic very high risk individual. 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Well smaller class size is easier said than done long term. Short term stagger the classes and work longer hours more days. 

 

Whoa there, bucko. You can't expect teachers to work more than 6 hours in a day (including lunch and free periods), and they certainly can't be expected to show up and work more than 180 days in a year.

 

That's just wrong.

[BillStime]

 

[Chef Jim]

Oooooooh.  Scary graph.  

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

This is one of the most pie in the sky things I've ever seen.

 

Agreed,

 

He has no clue, but I'll address it anyway.

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Geez so much to address so little time. If little Billy can’t wear a mask little Billy stays home. Sorry little Billy’s mom and dad. You’re on your own. 

 

Nice thought.

 

Again, if we could ignore parents and their complaints and wishes, believe me teachers would be much happier in their profession.

 

Parents are often stupid, plain and simple.

 

Unfortunately, as the previous poster stated... pigeon the sky brah.

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Masks....$28 for a box of 50 on Amazon. Dig deep and buy some for the kids.  I imagine there is some creative students/parents/teachers.  Make a ***** ton of them!!  YouTube is your friend. 

 

Wait, we're teachers.

 

Now we're health providers and potential arts and crafts experts, too?

 

Pie in the sky...

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

My office is very conducive to working safely. We have put measures in place. I have 15 in a large office. Again we are lucky. But no walls between work stations but plenty of space. And with no clients coming in for now we have empty meeting rooms.  Our HR has busted their ass to her us back. 

 

This sounds like your job accommodated you and your coworkers quite well, maybe you should consider that teachers should be accommodated similarly.

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

You don’t need partition for every desk. Just one for the teacher. Your colleagues seem to be the ones concerned about their health not the kids. 

No every desk.

 

Kids aren't immune and the moment there's a Coronavirus sickness, hospitalization or death, all hell breaks loose.

 

And yes, kids get sick, too.

 

 

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

I live in Orange County  California. No lines to here

to get in the store. 

 

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhh!!!!

 

Yeah you're wonderful freedom has been lookin really promising.

 

362 deaths in a 4 day span that ended July 11th.

 

Yeah, you're definitely living in the region the rest of the Country should be looking towards 

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

30 kids per classroom. Stagger then class. 10

per shift. Work 12 hours 6 days a week. Go to the local universities. They have to have lots of students who want to teach. Bring them in to help for credits. For Christ’s sake what have you guys been doing the past four months?  This should have been all figured out. 

 

At least at this point you clearly establish you're either being sarcastic or you're a moron.

 

And just to let you know, I sincerely think there's a 50/50 chance you're one of these 2 things and I truly hope it's the former.

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Yes I’m not a teacher so it’s easier for me to come up with ideas for the classroom but at least I’m coming up with ideas. All you’re coming up with are excuses. 

 

Sarcastic it is.

 

No not excuses.

 

Look back in this thread. I said I think my school has the right idea for a model of how to start school.

 

However, much to the chagrin of you and others here, it involves a combination of in school learning and distance learning to start the year.

 

This is especially a necessity for schools with larger student bodies.

 

So whatever misery you're suffering under, I hope you can actually understand some of the complexities of this issue and that it's not teachers who have been the ones creating the plans, it's administrations and, unfortunately, politicians.

 

 

 

 

I think I've placated you enough at this point.