Defund the Police?

[Unforgiven]

 

 

Nice. Saunter in, fill a garbage and calmly walk out.

People better wake the xxxx up, soon.

[billsfan1959]

11 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I'm actually surprised it took this long for one to be reported.

 

My guess is that it isn't the first one to happen...

[Koko78]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

My guess is that it isn't the first one to happen...

 

Mine too.

[IYKYK]

21 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

 

 

Nice. Saunter in, fill a garbage and calmly walk out.

People better wake the xxxx up, soon.

She's just misunderstood. Maybe our resident ambulance chaser can represent her?

Edited June 22, 2020 by westside2

[billsfan1959]

11 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

They didn't fight and in some cases die for a flag.  They fought to protect freedom. Freedom to do what you want even of its not popular as long as its not ilegal.  Like kneeling for the national anthem for example.

 

If NFL players or anyone else wants to kneel during the national anthem, that is well within their rights. I just don't understand where along the way it became insensitive, or ignorant, or racist to say, "I support your right to kneel during the anthem. I won't try to stop you from kneeling during the anthem. I may even support the reasons you are kneeling during the anthem. However, I personally do not agree with the manner in which you have chosen to express yourself, and I do feel it is disrespectful."

 

We are at a point where a reasonable opinion cannot be expressed without being shamed, intimidated, or bullied in some way into apologies and admissions of insensitivity and ignorance.

[Cinga]

12 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

They didn't fight and in some cases die for a flag.  They fought to protect freedom. Freedom to do what you want even of its not popular as long as its not ilegal.  Like kneeling for the national anthem for example.

 

Don't ASSUME to know what any military member or veteran fought for, or died for. I'm sick and tired of that bullsh1t line.

That very Flag is the Symbol of this Nation, and THAT is what we serve for, fight for, and some died for!

Edited June 22, 2020 by Cinga

[B-Man]

THE POLICE AREN’T THERE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM CRIMINALS. THEY’RE THERE TO PROTECT CRIMINALS FROM THE PUBLIC: 

 

Nashville liquor store owner, 88, explains why she shot alleged shoplifter: ‘I’m fed up.’ 

 

“I did what I had to do, and I hope word gets out on the street that I’m fed up and I’m not taking it anymore. . . .

 

You’ve got to stick up for yourself sometimes.”

 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

44 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Don't ASSUME to know what any military member or veteran fought for, or died for. I'm sick and tired of that bullsh1t line.

That very Flag is the Symbol of this Nation, and THAT is what we serve for, fight for, and some died for!

 

sounds like you're assuming what they were fighting for.  

 

A couple of lines from the Marine Hymm seem to suggest otherwise.

 

Quote

First to fight for right and freedom

And to keep our honor clean

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by reddogblitz

[Cinga]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

THE POLICE AREN’T THERE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM CRIMINALS. THEY’RE THERE TO PROTECT CRIMINALS FROM THE PUBLIC: 

 

Nashville liquor store owner, 88, explains why she shot alleged shoplifter: ‘I’m fed up.’ 

 

“I did what I had to do, and I hope word gets out on the street that I’m fed up and I’m not taking it anymore. . . .

 

You’ve got to stick up for yourself sometimes.”

 

 

 

 

I love that she said she tried to scare him by shooting at the floor but missed the floor! 

[Cinga]

21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

sounds like you're assuming what they were fighting for.  

 

A couple of lines from the Marine Hymm seem to suggest otherwise.

 

 

 

Why stop at the first verse?

 

Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in every clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes,
You will find us always on the job
The United States Marines.
Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve.
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes,
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

 

So I guess it's where ever our Flag is unfurled even unto the Streets of Heaven.

 

I'm a Marine

Edited June 22, 2020 by Cinga

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Cinga said:

That very Flag is the Symbol of this Nation, and THAT is what we serve for, fight for, and some died for!

 

It is interesting what the flag signifies to different people. Those thoughts certainly vary from person to person, and each is entitled to his or her opinion.

 

Whenever I think of my time in the military and my subsequent career in law enforcement, I always think of the term, "serving my country." That is really how I have always thought about it. It was never anything specific, just a general sense of, "I served my country." For me, the flag represents the country that I served: all that is good in this country and the potential and promise that it holds for all of its citizens.

 

It is an imperfect work in progress and throughout its history, many of its citizens have been denied that potential. However, the good in this country, that which should be celebrated in the flag, and what I personally see in the flag, is the continual struggle to be better as a society, the individual rights and freedoms that allow every citizen to speak out over injustice; the ability for each citizen to participate in righting wrongs and creating change for the better; and the knowledge that, as a nation, we have come so far, while still recognizing how far we have yet to go. And, the understanding that, while this country still has so far to go, it is the greatest nation on earth and still holds the greatest potential and promise for its citizens.

 

Much of my consulting work now involves the military and I spend a considerable amount of time on military installations. For those who are unfamiliar, on most installations, Reveille (A bugle call followed by "To the Colors") is played at 6:30 a.m. over speakers to signify the start of the day, and Retreat is played (followed by the National Anthem) at 5:00 p.m. to signify the end of the day. Whenever I am walking on a base and Reveille or Retreat is played, it is really is an amazing sight to see everyone, no matter what they are doing, to stop, come to attention, and face the flag (or music if they cannot see the flag). They are always moments that make me feel incredibly proud.

 

People can look at and feel about the flag however they wish. This is just how I feel.

[reddogblitz]

42 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

Why stop at the first verse?

 

Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in every clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes,
You will find us always on the job
The United States Marines.
Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve.
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes,
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

 

So I guess it's where ever our Flag is unfurled even unto the Streets of Heaven.

 

I'm a Marine

 

Good catch.  Yes the flag is unfurled in every breeze from dawn to dusk.  But nowhere does it say they fight for the flag but it DOES.say they fight for freedom.  But now we are just passing song lyrics.

 

As a Marine myself I take it to mean fighting for freedom.  So I respect others freedom as long as they aren't hurting any one.

 

Evidently you take it different which is cool.

 

Thanks for your service.

 

Semper Fi Mac.

Edited June 22, 2020 by reddogblitz

[Cinga]

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Good catch.  Yes the flag is unfurled in every breeze from dawn to dusk.  But nowhere does it say they fight for the flag but it DOES.say they fight for freedom.  But now we are just passing song lyrics.

 

As a Marine myself I take it to mean fighting for freedom.  So I respect others freedom as long as they aren't hurting any one.

 

Evidently you take it different which is cool.

 

Thanks for your service.

 

Semper Fi Mac.

 

Semper Fi, and Peace to You and Yours Brother

[Cinga]

42 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

It is interesting what the flag signifies to different people. Those thoughts certainly vary from person to person, and each is entitled to his or her opinion.

 

Whenever I think of my time in the military and my subsequent career in law enforcement, I always think of the term, "serving my country." That is really how I have always thought about it. It was never anything specific, just a general sense of, "I served my country." For me, the flag represents the country that I served: all that is good in this country and the potential and promise that it holds for all of its citizens.

 

It is an imperfect work in progress and throughout its history, many of its citizens have been denied that potential. However, the good in this country, that which should be celebrated in the flag, and what I personally see in the flag, is the continual struggle to be better as a society, the individual rights and freedoms that allow every citizen to speak out over injustice; the ability for each citizen to participate in righting wrongs and creating change for the better; and the knowledge that, as a nation, we have come so far, while still recognizing how far we have yet to go. And, the understanding that, while this country still has so far to go, it is the greatest nation on earth and still holds the greatest potential and promise for its citizens.

 

Much of my consulting work now involves the military and I spend a considerable amount of time on military installations. For those who are unfamiliar, on most installations, Reveille (A bugle call followed by "To the Colors") is played at 6:30 a.m. over speakers to signify the start of the day, and Retreat is played (followed by the National Anthem) at 5:00 p.m. to signify the end of the day. Whenever I am walking on a base and Reveille or Retreat is played, it is really is an amazing sight to see everyone, no matter what they are doing, to stop, come to attention, and face the flag (or music if they cannot see the flag). They are always moments that make me feel incredibly proud.

 

People can look at and feel about the flag however they wish. This is just how I feel.

 

Well said! I think everyone here can agree, we still have a lot of work to do as a country, but some wish to just blow it up and start over again which is where the disconnect comes from I think. We are still the greatest country in the history of the world, even with the work we still have ahead of us.

But your right, to some of us that Flag; the Colors, stands for everything GOOD about this country.  And by God when I hear Taps and the Anthem it sends chills down my spine to this day... 

The meaning to me is similar to the old Spartan saying to come home carrying their shield or on it

For our Flag it's the Pledge to come Home carrying the Flag, or under it.... 

[Doc Brown]

This isn't exactly helping NYPD.

 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

10 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

If NFL players or anyone else wants to kneel during the national anthem, that is well within their rights. I just don't understand where along the way it became insensitive, or ignorant, or racist to say, "I support your right to kneel during the anthem. I won't try to stop you from kneeling during the anthem. I may even support the reasons you are kneeling during the anthem. However, I personally do not agree with the manner in which you have chosen to express yourself, and I do feel it is disrespectful."

 

We are at a point where a reasonable opinion cannot be expressed without being shamed, intimidated, or bullied in some way into apologies and admissions of insensitivity and ignorance.

 

That ain't no lie.

 

I remember when this went down last time in 2016 I think it was.  I went to a couple of games and there was some tension around the National Anthem when it was played.  Some kneeled and there were some hard feelings.  It was like a loyalty test.  If you stand, you hate black people and think it's OK for them to be killed by cops.  If you kneel, you hate America. 

 

The story became which players were kneeling and which weren't.  Then the Stealers (with a black coach) decided to stay in locker room.  Except one guy was an Iraq veteran so he came out. What cluster F#CK.  The whole meaning was lost and it became a circus.  I expect the same this year.

 

If I get to go to a game this year and this is going on which it likely will be I will do as I did then.  Refuse to participate.  When it got close to the National Anthem I walked outside the stadium and listened to some rock 'n roll on my iPod.  When it was over I came back in to watch the game which is why I came in the first place.

 

The only thing that will come out all of this is football players will be able to kneel during National Anthem.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

That ain't no lie.

 

I remember when this went down last time in 2016 I think it was.  I went to a couple of games and there was some tension around the National Anthem when it was played.  Some kneeled and there were some hard feelings.  It was like a loyalty test.  If you stand, you hate black people and think it's OK for them to be killed by cops.  If you kneel, you hate America. 

 

The story became which players were kneeling and which weren't.  Then the Stealers (with a black coach) decided to stay in locker room.  Except one guy was an Iraq veteran so he came out. What cluster F#CK.  The whole meaning was lost and it became a circus.  I expect the same this year.

 

If I get to go to a game this year and this is going on which it likely will be I will do as I did then.  Refuse to participate.  When it got close to the National Anthem I walked outside the stadium and listened to some rock 'n roll on my iPod.  When it was over I came back in to watch the game which is why I came in the first place.

 

The only thing that will come out all of this is football players will be able to kneel during National Anthem.

I still think the easiest thing for people to stomach (although nobody will ever be completely satisfied with the resolution) is for everybody to stand for a 15 second moment of silence to honor the military (currently serving, veterans, deceased) after the national anthem.

[Reality Check]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8449079/Two-Indiana-police-officers-suspended-using-chokehold-two-days-department-banned-it.html

 

It's about time they started choking some white people.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

How conspiracy theories about the NYPD Shake Shack ‘poisoning’ blew up

By Craig McCarthy

June 22, 2020 | 12:03pm | Updated

 

Enlarge Image

A Crime Scene Unit police officer examines one of the Shake Shack cups.Robert Mecea

 

The three cops at the center of the NYPD milkshake “poisoning” scandal never even got sick, and there wasn’t the slightest whiff of criminality from the get-go — but that didn’t stop gung-ho brass from rolling out the crime scene tape and unions from dishing out empty conspiracy theories, The Post has learned.

The fullest picture yet to emerge of the incident — which came amid fraught tensions between the police and public — is based on records and multiple interviews with police sources.

The three officers were down from The Bronx, on protest duty in Lower Manhattan, on June 15 when they ordered the now-infamous mid-shift treats via a mobile app around 7:30 p.m., purchasing three shakes across two separate orders, sources said.

Their drinks were waiting for them when they arrived at the Shake Shack on the second floor of 200 Broadway a few minutes later. A female officer picked up her strawberry shake from the front counter, and her two male colleagues grabbed their cherry and vanilla drinks from a side counter, sources said.

Police sources explained it was clear that the workers couldn’t have known cops had placed the orders “since it wasn’t done in person” — and they couldn’t have dosed the drinks after the officers arrived, because they were packaged and waiting for pickup when the trio walked in.

Soon after sipping the shakes, however, the cops realized they didn’t taste or smell right, so they threw the drinks in the trash and alerted a manager, who apologized and issued them vouchers for free food or drink, which they accepted, according to sources.

But when the cops told their sergeant about the incident, the supervisor called in the Emergency Service Unit to set up a crime scene at the fast-food joint for an evidence search around 9:20 p.m. — nearly two hours after they first got the sour shakes.

The three were rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms, sources said.

Enlarge Image The Shake Shack in the Fulton Street transit hubWilliam Farrington

Meanwhile, a lieutenant from the Bronx blasted out an email to the unions that six cops “started throwing up after drinking beverages they got from shake shack on 200 Broadway.”

It was unclear why the sergeant and lieutenant escalated the situation.

Detectives easily closed the case after interviewing five employees and reviewing surveillance footage showing the shakes were made normally, sources said.

The machine was cleaned before the officers ordered, according to sources, and it still contained residual milkstone remover — a typically acidic solution used to combat buildup in dairy equipment.

But by 10:45 p.m., the Detectives Endowment Association was declaring that Finest had become “ill” after being “intentionally poisoned by one or more workers at the Shake Shack” — as Police Benevolent Association president Pat Lynch made a show of visiting Bellevue while his union declared at 10:47 p.m. that police officers came “under attack” from a “toxic substance, believed to be bleach.”

 

Both messages flurried across social media, spawning a trending #BoycottShakeShack hashtag that was still being tweeted Sunday by users who appear to erroneously believe NYPD members were intentionally poisoned.

Around 3 a.m. June 16, the department was reviewing a statement on the matter, and at 4 a.m. — just over eight hours after the cops picked up their shakes — Chief of Detectives Rodney Harrison announced on Twitter that there was “no criminality.”

[B-Man]

 

 

OF COURSE THEY DO: Nearly 100 percent of Democratic college students support defunding the police: poll.