Trump Is Just A Terrible President, Totally Unfit For The Job

[SectionC3]

This guy looks like he's about to do some COVID-19 winning. 

 

Jair Bolsonaro coughs as he speaks in Brasilia Sunday.

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[ComradeKayAdams]

On 4/20/2020 at 1:12 AM, SectionC3 said:

I see a lot of back and forth about firearms, but no conversation about the benefits of broccoli.  Which, by the way, I am dying for right now in the midst of the pandemic.  

 

Looking at these past 10 thread pages…I think we all would have been better off debating broccoli.

 

At least the firearms debate managed to take a couple interesting twists and turns. The “100 home invasion homicides per year” stat pops up a lot and is unfortunately used disingenuously among my fellow lefty friends. It’s a surprisingly small number, but of course it doesn’t account for all the burglaries, assaults, and rapes that were either thwarted or could have been deterred with firearms before police arrive.

 

My same lefty friends then point to the approximately 400 annual homicides from mass shootings as a reason for heavy gun restriction, if not an all-out repeal of the second amendment. So worrying about 100 national homicides is right-wing paranoia, but worrying about 400 is highly sensible?

 

My conclusion is that determining rationality seems to be a mostly subjective endeavor when you’re dealing with risk analysis. Is it rational to purchase fire insurance? Earthquake insurance? Volcano insurance? Meteorite insurance? When it comes to protecting your loved ones, sometimes uber rationality doesn’t even need to be a part of the equation. This reminds me of the infamous 2007 home invasion in the safe neighborhood of Cheshire, Connecticut. If the doctor had purchased guns the weekend before for home defense, maybe everyone around him would have looked at him like he was going crazy. But maybe his wife and two daughters would still be alive?

 

Apologies for the rambling thoughts. By the way, I would rank broccoli as the second healthiest human food on the planet, slightly behind spinach and slightly ahead of garlic. Disagree? Come fight me.

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

Looking at these past 10 thread pages…I think we all would have been better off debating broccoli.

 

At least the firearms debate managed to take a couple interesting twists and turns. The “100 home invasion homicides per year” stat pops up a lot and is unfortunately used disingenuously among my fellow lefty friends. It’s a surprisingly small number, but of course it doesn’t account for all the burglaries, assaults, and rapes that were either thwarted or could have been deterred with firearms before police arrive.

 

My same lefty friends then point to the approximately 400 annual homicides from mass shootings as a reason for heavy gun restriction, if not an all-out repeal of the second amendment. So worrying about 100 national homicides is right-wing paranoia, but worrying about 400 is highly sensible?

 

My conclusion is that determining rationality seems to be a mostly subjective endeavor when you’re dealing with risk analysis. Is it rational to purchase fire insurance? Earthquake insurance? Volcano insurance? Meteorite insurance? When it comes to protecting your loved ones, sometimes uber rationality doesn’t even need to be a part of the equation. This reminds me of the infamous 2007 home invasion in the safe neighborhood of Cheshire, Connecticut. If the doctor had purchased guns the weekend before for home defense, maybe everyone around him would have looked at him like he was going crazy. But maybe his wife and two daughters would still be alive?

 

Apologies for the rambling thoughts. By the way, I would rank broccoli as the second healthiest human food on the planet, slightly behind spinach and slightly ahead of garlic. Disagree? Come fight me.

 

Sounds like you're advocating a vegetable draft.  I'm in.  

 

And on the weapons, the key element to your argument is "heavy."  I don't see the expired assault weapons ban as "heavy."  And I believe that worrying about a bunch of dead kids in an elementary school in Sandy Hook, and a bunch of dead concertgoers in Las Vegas, is a highly sensible thing to do.  So your premise that I and others are overreacting to a relatively small problem is colored by your view of what constitutes an overreaction.  

 

There's another flaw.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, here or in the relevant political arena, has advocated "an all-out repeal of the second amendment."  Respectfully (and again, I dislike the term), that is gaslighting.  In point of fact, nobody is advocating taking away guns that could be used to thwart a home invasion.  Instead, the advocacy involves the removal from the marketplace of guns that could be used to most easily facilitate mass slaughter (back read re: the definition of mass shooting) that previously were stricken from the marketplace through the now-expired federal assault weapons ban. 

[KRC]

14 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

Looking at these past 10 thread pages…I think we all would have been better off debating broccoli.

 

At least the firearms debate managed to take a couple interesting twists and turns. The “100 home invasion homicides per year” stat pops up a lot and is unfortunately used disingenuously among my fellow lefty friends. It’s a surprisingly small number, but of course it doesn’t account for all the burglaries, assaults, and rapes that were either thwarted or could have been deterred with firearms before police arrive.

 

My same lefty friends then point to the approximately 400 annual homicides from mass shootings as a reason for heavy gun restriction, if not an all-out repeal of the second amendment. So worrying about 100 national homicides is right-wing paranoia, but worrying about 400 is highly sensible?

 

My conclusion is that determining rationality seems to be a mostly subjective endeavor when you’re dealing with risk analysis. Is it rational to purchase fire insurance? Earthquake insurance? Volcano insurance? Meteorite insurance? When it comes to protecting your loved ones, sometimes uber rationality doesn’t even need to be a part of the equation. This reminds me of the infamous 2007 home invasion in the safe neighborhood of Cheshire, Connecticut. If the doctor had purchased guns the weekend before for home defense, maybe everyone around him would have looked at him like he was going crazy. But maybe his wife and two daughters would still be alive?

 

Apologies for the rambling thoughts. By the way, I would rank broccoli as the second healthiest human food on the planet, slightly behind spinach and slightly ahead of garlic. Disagree? Come fight me.

 

Good points about the stats. They can be manipulated to support any opinion. Personally, I am pro 2A. I am a gun owner and I believe that before we make any new laws, we should focus on enforcing our existing laws. 

 

Oh, and my kale will take on your spinach any day. 

[/dev/null]

Potatoes FTW

[SoCal Deek]

I’m not a big gun guy...but it seems to me the people that drafted the constitution were fully aware of what firearms were and they specifically included them in the document. Firearms weren’t invented after 1776, and in fact they were way more prevalent back then than they are now. If in 2020 you want to change the Constitution, so be it. There’s a process for that. Work hard to get it done. If you don’t want to take the time or effort to do that then there are plenty of other countries for you to choose to from that have different societal rules that might suit you better. No offense at all intended. We live in the most mobile time in human history...go for it.

[ComradeKayAdams]

20 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Sounds like you're advocating a vegetable draft.  I'm in.  

 

And on the weapons, the key element to your argument is "heavy."  I don't see the expired assault weapons ban as "heavy."  And I believe that worrying about a bunch of dead kids in an elementary school in Sandy Hook, and a bunch of dead concertgoers in Las Vegas, is a highly sensible thing to do.  So your premise that I and others are overreacting to a relatively small problem is colored by your view of what constitutes an overreaction.  

 

There's another flaw.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, here or in the relevant political arena, has advocated "an all-out repeal of the second amendment."  Respectfully (and again, I dislike the term), that is gaslighting.  In point of fact, nobody is advocating taking away guns that could be used to thwart a home invasion.  Instead, the advocacy involves the removal from the marketplace of guns that could be used to most easily facilitate mass slaughter (back read re: the definition of mass shooting) that previously were stricken from the marketplace through the now-expired federal assault weapons ban. 

 

I bet you we could end up agreeing a lot on gun regulation specifics. I do personally know people who want to repeal the second amendment or are at least indifferent to doing so. You are correct that it’s not a very popular political opinion or one that has been represented anywhere in this thread.

 

But more importantly, here are my top 5 vegetables:

 

1. Spinach

2. Broccoli

3. Garlic

4. Sweet potatoes

5. Onions

 

I am willing to trade up to get into that top 5. Brandon Beane style.

[Chef Jim]

8 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

It was....oh stfu (like with a roll of the eyes.) Disdain, not anger. 
 

I look forward to you telling me again what I mean. ???

Sorry man. Your posts are often childish, immature, vulgar and angry. You relish in the fact that people don’t like you and applaud when someone puts you on or threatens to put you on ignore.  That is a sad existence. But hey if you enjoy going through life that way have at it. But keep in mind there are other people here that try to enjoy the community and you make it difficult. It’s not all about you. 
 

And the childish response or “well them put me on ignore!!” in 3....2.....1

[RochesterRob]

8 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

For someone who a according to you has it made in the shade you are one angry dude. I used to say money can’t buy you happiness but it can buy you a big ole yacht and you can sail right up next to it. Looks like it got you got a dingy with a leak. 
 

  Well, at least he did it right by the rules of the net.  If you are going to fling bull dung you might as well go big and make yourself an 8 figure millionaire, several thousand sq ft primary residence plus choice vacation property that you beat Buffett and Gates to get.  Beer can mansions and relieving yourself outdoors does not sound anywheres as impressive.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

So you are a chef?  If so, cool.  I need some new recipes.  If not, I suggest changing your "name" because you might reasonably be accused of spreading fake news. 

Really counselor?  That’s the best you have?   Our screen names have to reflect what we do for a living?  I hope you didn’t put a lot of thought into this post. 
 

Anyway what recipes are you looking for?  

[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I bet you we could end up agreeing a lot on gun regulation specifics. I do personally know people who want to repeal the second amendment or are at least indifferent to doing so. You are correct that it’s not a very popular political opinion or one that has been represented anywhere in this thread.

 

But more importantly, here are my top 5 vegetables:

 

1. Spinach

2. Broccoli

3. Garlic

4. Sweet potatoes

5. Onions

 

I am willing to trade up to get into that top 5. Brandon Beane style.

  I'll trade ya 50 lbs of sweet corn plus 20 lbs of carrots plus 20 lbs of green beans for 10 lbs of sweet onions and 15 lbs of broccoli?  Is that Beane like enough for you.  By the way what do you have against asparagus?

[/dev/null]

9 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

But more importantly, here are my top 5 vegetables:

 

1. Spinach

2. Broccoli

3. Garlic

4. Sweet potatoes

5. Onions

 

I am willing to trade up to get into that top 5. Brandon Beane style.

 

If I had to pick one NFL exec to run a vegetable draft, it would be Brandon Beane

[ComradeKayAdams]

3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I'll trade ya 50 lbs of sweet corn plus 20 lbs of carrots plus 20 lbs of green beans for 10 lbs of sweet onions and 15 lbs of broccoli?  Is that Beane like enough for you.  By the way what do you have against asparagus?

 

It fell down my draft board because it made my scouts' urine smell.

 

3 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

If I had to pick one NFL exec to run a vegetable draft, it would be Brandon Beane

 

He can run my legume draft, but I'm in charge of the vegetable draft.

[3rdnlng]

20 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

If I had to pick one NFL exec to run a vegetable draft, it would be Brandon Beane

I'm sure he's spent a great deal of time scouting PPP. We may not have a lot of vegetables but the ones that we do are all pro level. 

[Q-baby!]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Sorry man. Your posts are often childish, immature, vulgar and angry. You relish in the fact that people don’t like you and applaud when someone puts you on or threatens to put you on ignore.  That is a sad existence. But hey if you enjoy going through life that way have at it. But keep in mind there are other people here that try to enjoy the community and you make it difficult. It’s not all about you. 
 

And the childish response or “well them put me on ignore!!” in 3....2.....1

Thanks for the advice, but I don’t need any! 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Really counselor?  That’s the best you have?   Our screen names have to reflect what we do for a living?  I hope you didn’t put a lot of thought into this post. 
 

Anyway what recipes are you looking for?  

Depends whether you’re actually a chef.  
 

if you are, asparagus, beans, eggplant.  Veggie type stuff.  Trying to get away from processed foods that have become habit during the pandemic. 
 

and no fake recipes!  (I kid ; couldn’t resist). 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not a big gun guy...but it seems to me the people that drafted the constitution were fully aware of what firearms were and they specifically included them in the document. Firearms weren’t invented after 1776, and in fact they were way more prevalent back then than they are now. If in 2020 you want to change the Constitution, so be it. There’s a process for that. Work hard to get it done. If you don’t want to take the time or effort to do that then there are plenty of other countries for you to choose to from that have different societal rules that might suit you better. No offense at all intended. We live in the most mobile time in human history...go for it.

that’s sort of one of the interesting points about the 2a.  Obviously it covers muskets and devices that existed at the time the constitution was drafted.  But for the 2a to embrace a gun created or invented thereafter, say a 9mm, for instance, one has to consider the constitution a living document.  That’s completely fair and reasonable, and I am in that camp.  
 

the catch is that a lot of 2a people also are right to life people.  Nothing wrong with either position.  But it’s impossible to square “living document” on the 2a side of things with “no penumbra of rights” on the abortion issue.  One of the beautiful paradoxes of American society, I guess. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I bet you we could end up agreeing a lot on gun regulation specifics. I do personally know people who want to repeal the second amendment or are at least indifferent to doing so. You are correct that it’s not a very popular political opinion or one that has been represented anywhere in this thread.

 

But more importantly, here are my top 5 vegetables:

 

1. Spinach

2. Broccoli

3. Garlic

4. Sweet potatoes

5. Onions

 

I am willing to trade up to get into that top 5. Brandon Beane style.

you’re going to have to get ahead of me for broccoli.  Eggplant is my sleeper. 

[Q-baby!]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Well, at least he did it right by the rules of the net.  If you are going to fling bull dung you might as well go big and make yourself an 8 figure millionaire, several thousand sq ft primary residence plus choice vacation property that you beat Buffett and Gates to get.  Beer can mansions and relieving yourself outdoors does not sound anywheres as impressive.

As a homeless person, where to you generally get wifi? 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

So these questions that you're talking about . . . which ones are you referring to, and why were they asked?

 

On balance, though, you're right.  I should have done some homework before recklessly entering a fray dominated by a couple of conspiracy theorists and close-minded right wingers.  Looks like you're as much of a hoaxer as that Deranged Rhino guy.  Unfortunately it looks like I might have to put you in the fake news category, too.  Sad!

 

 

 

DR intimated that you might be a Philadelphia lawyer who has had numerous screen names here (John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Beginner's Mind) mainly because of your dogged determination to win every single point regardless of its importance or validity. Another poster asked if you worked in a laundromat because the dumbest poster here has been accused of doing so for years. Normally I wouldn't make fun of a person because of their job but this person took 3 years to get named Chief Laundry Folder. It was obviously a slam on you, good natured or not. I asked what your profession was because your posts all sounded like a lawyer, plus you had mentioned something from law school. I actually was wondering if you had passed the Bar. When you mentioned that you are a lawyer/writer it made me think of a prick called Crayola64 who bragged about his success as a lawyer and writing professor while slipping up and claiming that his only court appearances were an arraignment and being 3rd Chair on a case. On the odd chance that you were him I wanted to know in order to cut the conversation off immediately. 

 

You have categorized me as a hoaxer and a fake news purveyor. While that may seem like a brilliant observation on your part it couldn't be further from the truth. You came in here with an air of superiority plus a familiarity that only long-term posters or big-time bullshitters have. Again, you should have lurked awhile. 

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

DR intimated that you might be a Philadelphia lawyer who has had numerous screen names here (John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Beginner's Mind) mainly because of your dogged determination to win every single point regardless of its importance or validity. Another poster asked if you worked in a laundromat because the dumbest poster here has been accused of doing so for years. Normally I wouldn't make fun of a person because of their job but this person took 3 years to get named Chief Laundry Folder. It was obviously a slam on you, good natured or not. I asked what your profession was because your posts all sounded like a lawyer, plus you had mentioned something from law school. I actually was wondering if you had passed the Bar. When you mentioned that you are a lawyer/writer it made me think of a prick called Crayola64 who bragged about his success as a lawyer and writing professor while slipping up and claiming that his only court appearances were an arraignment and being 3rd Chair on a case. On the odd chance that you were him I wanted to know in order to cut the conversation off immediately. 

 

You have categorized me as a hoaxer and a fake news purveyor. While that may seem like a brilliant observation on your part it couldn't be further from the truth. You came in here with an air of superiority plus a familiarity that only long-term posters or big-time bullshitters have. Again, you should have lurked awhile. 

Yeah no.  It’s a free country.  I’ll speak as I see fit.  Maybe one day soon I’ll move you off of my fake news list.  I’ll think about it.