daz28 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Says the guy who can't answer "what right are you giving up to be subjected to the horrors of a checkpoint?" For Christs sake man, they give you the answer. A Fourth Amendment "seizure" occurs when a vehicle is stopped at a checkpoint That comes from the Supreme Court not me, Those are their words, not mine, They clearly admit that a stop is an illegal seizure.... BUTTTTTTT HILLARYYYYY(well actually DWI) In real life they established that the illegal seizure WAS REASONABLE. BUTTTTT MYYYY RIGGGHTTSSSSS. NEVER EVER GIVE UP A RIGHT CUZ SOME DAYZ A COVIDZ Obama MIGHT GET YOU. Sorry but the theatrics are for Mr DR who you all hold in high esteem for being disingenuous. He wouldn't know a TRUE RIGHT if both of them slapped him in the nose in the heat of passion. Edited May 14, 2020 by daz28
daz28 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: I did. Hours ago. You were just too busy spewing crazy to stop and read. You actually never said which right you were afraid of losing, or why you think it would be permanent. That was my initial question before you spun like literally 10 times. Please answer the question: which rights are you afraid that' Covid is going to permanently take from you???
LB3 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: You say this, after an entire morning spent arguing that we the people should willingly give up our rights to the same government when they deem it's in the public good. I take it back. You're not stupid. You're not even bright enough to be considered stupid. You're a troll. Enjoy. ? This guy is amazing. From the start his extreme hyperbole has been outstanding. Did you know he wears a mask 250,000 times more than the average Joe? ? He could very easily be a troll, but he seems too emotionally invested in his terrible takes. Which to me begs the question... 1 2
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Back onto the topic of reopening... Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down the Governor’s stay-at-Home orders (except school closure) effective immediately. https://apple.news/AitUR0WW4S_SMnJjLG7LaUQ That’s gonna be interesting to see how many people decide to stay at home and how many people go for full contact. As well as the many variations in between. 3 1 2
SoCal Deek Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, snafu said: That’s gonna be interesting to see how many people decide to stay at home and how many people go for full contact. As well as the many variations in between. I’m a California based architect, and I’ve been on construction sites almost every day since the shutdowns began two months ago. The hard working construction crews never shut down. They’ve been out there every day, working in very close proximity to each other, touching everything in sight from tools to ladders, and yes often breathing hard. Masks have been warn by the vast majority. We’ve not had one reported incident on the DOZEN or so project sites that I oversee. Not all of us have been locked down. 3 4
shoshin Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Editorial in the NYT about reopening the economy. In late February, as data on the coronavirus pandemic continued to unfold, I started making calls to friends and family to prepare them. I told them to get ready to hunker down for three months. For many then, it was hard to believe that a virus we couldn’t much see evidence of, less understand, would require us to shut down our economy. I also spoke with C.E.O.s and governors, urging them to close nonessential businesses and enact stay-at-home orders to stop the spread of the virus. Other public health advocates called for the same — and fortunately government and business leaders responded. Their actions saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives and spared American hospitals the horrors of rationing care. Shutting down was the right policy at the time. As circumstances have evolved, so has my thinking. We have survived the surge in hospitalized cases and suffered immense economic trauma. The full lockdown made sense weeks ago. But the situation is changing, and more data on the virus are now available to inform our next steps. The choice before us isn’t to fully lock down or to totally reopen. Many argue as though those are the only options.
dubs Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: Editorial in the NYT about reopening the economy. In late February, as data on the coronavirus pandemic continued to unfold, I started making calls to friends and family to prepare them. I told them to get ready to hunker down for three months. For many then, it was hard to believe that a virus we couldn’t much see evidence of, less understand, would require us to shut down our economy. I also spoke with C.E.O.s and governors, urging them to close nonessential businesses and enact stay-at-home orders to stop the spread of the virus. Other public health advocates called for the same — and fortunately government and business leaders responded. Their actions saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives and spared American hospitals the horrors of rationing care. Shutting down was the right policy at the time. As circumstances have evolved, so has my thinking. We have survived the surge in hospitalized cases and suffered immense economic trauma. The full lockdown made sense weeks ago. But the situation is changing, and more data on the virus are now available to inform our next steps. The choice before us isn’t to fully lock down or to totally reopen. Many argue as though those are the only options. This is the total ridiculousness of this "debate". Here's what we know: 1) This virus has been in our society much longer than the February time period. 2) The death rate on this is very low 3) It's mostly fatal to a known population of people - elderly (over 55) and already with a medical condition 4) We take risks in our daily lives 5) Shutdowns have been arbitrary in terms of deciding who and what can stay open 6) People know how to reduce their chance of infection In other words, this isn't a "choice" that the citizenry should be or is delegating to some higher authority. It's up to individuals, families, businesses, churches, etc... to decide for themselves how to proceed. I do agree that at first, it made sense to pause and see what was going on, but we are LONG past that point. Open up, trust people to make the decisions that are best for themselves, provide support for the most at risk population, and minimize the role of the government in this. That's the recipe for success. 1 1
PelotonBillsFan Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, dubs said: This is the total ridiculousness of this "debate". Here's what we know: 1) This virus has been in our society much longer than the February time period. 2) The death rate on this is very low 3) It's mostly fatal to a known population of people - elderly (over 55) and already with a medical condition 4) We take risks in our daily lives 5) Shutdowns have been arbitrary in terms of deciding who and what can stay open 6) People know how to reduce their chance of infection In other words, this isn't a "choice" that the citizenry should be or is delegating to some higher authority. It's up to individuals, families, businesses, churches, etc... to decide for themselves how to proceed. I do agree that at first, it made sense to pause and see what was going on, but we are LONG past that point. Open up, trust people to make the decisions that are best for themselves, provide support for the most at risk population, and minimize the role of the government in this. That's the recipe for success. It’s a conspiracy bro. This global pandemic was designed by Hillary and Obama to take back the White House. dontchyaknow?
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, PelotonBillsFan said: It’s a conspiracy bro. This global pandemic was designed by Hillary and Obama to take back the White House. dontchyaknow? So, whose sock puppet are you? 3
dubs Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, PelotonBillsFan said: It’s a conspiracy bro. This global pandemic was designed by Hillary and Obama to take back the White House. dontchyaknow? strange take, hot, but strange 2
RochesterRob Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: So, whose sock puppet are you? Tiberius as designed by a leftist think tank. They are putting a lot of effort into bluing up WNY. 1 1
PelotonBillsFan Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So, whose sock puppet are you? Alex Jones and @Deranged Rhino (aka YOU) Is my right hand man
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, PelotonBillsFan said: Alex Jones and @Deranged Rhino (aka YOU) Is my right hand man As I thought. Another add to my ignore list. ? 3
dubs Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said: Alex Jones and @Deranged Rhino (aka YOU) Is my right hand man Ignore list just keeps getting longer and longer. Going to need to inject some fish cleaner in my computer to rid it of these viruses. 1 2 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: As I thought. Another add to my ignore list. ? He's a peloton cultist. Can't trust him to have independent thought 1
PelotonBillsFan Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 ☝️Such cupcakes in here lmao... I won’t miss you @Deranged Rhino - we know you have numerous handles here. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Tiberius as designed by a leftist think tank. They are putting a lot of effort into bluing up WNY. Saw my first two Trump 2020 signs within a mile of my house (ok, one was on the next block, the other the next subdivision). I live in a purple area that did vote for Trump in 2016, but there were almost no signs for him back then. Should be interesting to see what happens this time around. 1
Uncle Joe Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So, whose sock puppet are you? Edited May 14, 2020 by Uncle Joe
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m a California based architect, and I’ve been on construction sites almost every day since the shutdowns began two months ago. The hard working construction crews never shut down. They’ve been out there every day, working in very close proximity to each other, touching everything in sight from tools to ladders, and yes often breathing hard. Masks have been warn by the vast majority. We’ve not had one reported incident on the DOZEN or so project sites that I oversee. Not all of us have been locked down. I understand that. NYC construction is frozen in place. I don’t know about Wisconsin. My point is that there are a lot of people who will want to invite their employees and customers back, and there will be a lot of people who take them up on that invitation. There will also be a lot of people who will probably keep their businesses closed for awhile longer, as well as employees and customers who take a more cautious approach. All we ever get are anecdotal reports of protesters and shamers. To me, 10,000, even 100,000 protesters don’t represent everyone. Just like the many people who chose to stay home, and the people who sniff disapprovingly at the protesters.
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